If you have haven't sold your 191 104s and want to, I'm interested.
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Originally Posted by WhetherMan
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If you have haven't sold your 191 104s and want to, I'm interested.
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Originally Posted by WhetherMan
Im interested in 104’s, 186 or 191 if anybody is looking to offload.
I just bought Rustler 9’s but after one day on them in spring conditions I’m thinking I should have went with the heavier Austrian options like I typically do.
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Originally Posted by slowroastin
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Put me on the list of of someone that is poking around for some e104s in a 191 if someone is moving on from them. I picked up some 100s from Ptex1 (tyvm), but you all have convinced me that I deserve two sets of skis and that the 104s should be my second pair.
Can anyone with the Enforcer 104 comment on the mounting point you went with, and whether you're happy with it? I've read a few comments from people going +2 from the recommended line.
I like the idea of moving it forward a couple cm so it's more playful, but I'm afraid I'll lose some float in powder. Trying to decide if recommended or +1/+2 is best for me.
I will be using these on powder days up to 10" or so, where I am usually in the trees, bowls, chutes. Also like to ski groomers when there's no soft snow, although I have another pair of sticks for that.
Thanks!
Plenty playful in the line. Mounted mine at zero and they feel plenty playful. This is a playful ski after all. If anything I'd go back 1.
If you are going to be skiing 10 inches of pow with these I double for sure wouldn't mount ahead of the line if it was me.
Ymmv.
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You are going to get lots of different answers. My advice is that if you are a bigger guy, stay on the line and ski the longest length you are comfortable with. If you are lighter weight, you can go forward and gain some playfulness. It’s a very versatile ski with a big sweet spot. It’s hard to go wrong.
Also, it’s a so-so floater. I don’t think the mount point hurts or improves that much.
I should have added that I'm 6'1", 175 lbs. I opted for the 186 length. Sounds like on the line would be a safe option.
Appreciate the input!
Yeah…you want to stay on the line, IMO. I own the 186 and 191…both mounted on the line. 5’ 8” and 200-lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nadox
Frickin love my E104s! So good on piste and also off piste in steep, tight spots. Solid and stable. Yet easy and predictable. You can carve or slide turns. Great mix of strong/damp enough with huge skiability. Made an M102 and QST106 redundant for me. I also grab my E104s out more than my R11s now. Could easily be a quiver of one.
I’m mounted with STH16’s, at +2.5cm (-6.3cm from center). I have a short bsl (289mm) so factor that in. And I'm a dedicated forward mounter.....all my skis are mounted between -6.00cm to -7.25cm. I’m 5’7”, 165lbs on the 179cm. The 179cm floats me just fine mounted +2.5cm. I do think my next pair will be at +2cm.
Edit - I’m interested in A/B’ing these against some 179cm Mindbender 108Ti's that I just picked up.
Here’s the E104s in Blackcomb’s Sapphire Bowl in March....they just look easy to ski?
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I have the 186 mounted on the line. I would not go forward of the recommend line. I find the recommend line plenty playful. my only regret about the enforcer 104s is that I did not get the 191. Im 5' 10" 200Quote:
Originally Posted by Nadox
I ordered up some 115s last night for a pretty-much-everyday ski in western canada. Stoked. Good deals from Gearhub in Fernie right now on other Enforcers too.
Seems like most people are on the E104s, which makes sense for this crowd.
Anyone have experience with the more frontside E100? I know the ski will excel on groomers and hard pack. What I’m really interested in is how well it crosses over to soft snow and bumps?
Dimensionally speaking I can tell how the two skis will vary in the handling department, with the only discernible difference that I can see being the tail profile and obviously shaving off a few mm on the E100. What I really want to know is if the layup changes between the two?
I own the 2018 Enforcer 100 in the 185 and 2020 Enforcer 104 Free in the 186 and 191.Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust
I bought the Enforcer 100 to ski with my blue run/intermediate level kids. It is very good natured and easy to ski but can also be pushed pretty hard. It is just damp enough and just stable enough for most resort skiing. It handles bumps well and provides a respectable level of float in up to 6” or so of soft snow. It does have a speed limit and a hard charger will find it quite easily. It is a really great ski for most skiers, though. As my kids got stronger, I have skied it less. I think I skied it one day last year.
When Nordica released the 104, they updated the construction from previous Enforcers by going from a poplar/ash titanal layup to a poplar/beech/balsa/titanal + carbon layup. The 104 is a ostensibly a slightly wider Enforcer 100 with more tail rocker. It performs better a bit better in deep snow. It seems to float better and is looser. The construction feels more playful and a bit less damp to me. I actually prefer the “feel” of the pre-2021 Enforcer 100.
Last year, the Enforcer 100 was updated to the same construction as the Enforcer 104. I have yet to ski it, but it seems that many believe that the 100 is a little “more” ski than it used to be, a bit more “business” and less forgiving. Not sure how that exactly translates to bumps or off piste skiing. It still wins the magazine awards and sells like crazy though, so maybe the construction change wasn’t that big of a deal.
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Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Hey Bandit Man, if you decide at some point in time that you only need one set of those 104's I'm watching for some 191's and I'm just down in Ballard.
I bought my dad a pair of 185 Enforcer 110s for Christmas. I was looking for an easy to ski ~110 ski to help him learn to ski powder. I'll be detuning the tips and tails for him.
I'd have gotten him the 191s, but I think those would have been a little long for him. He's a 66 year old intermediate skier, ~210 lbs.
What's the consensus on where to mount the 110s? Also, any considerations for him being able to drive the enforcers on a less stiff boot?
Anyone want some 191 110's?
Go on the line. The 185 has an 18.5-m radius and lots of tail rocker. It is a “roll over on the edges” to turn kind of ski. It’s also the on the softer end of the spectrum in the Enforcer family. He should be fine on the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevo
Thanks. Rolling on edge to turn is definitely his style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Tried the 104 this morning at an EC demo day. Was easier to ski than a Mantra M6 with no loss in suspension on roughed up man made groomers.
I had the enforcer 93 and found it underwhelming.
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What length Enforcer 104 did you try?Quote:
Originally Posted by ticketchecker
Shit ice at Whistler this week. The E104 was all I took out.
Seems like good Blade conditions, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
Haha true. I had them both with me. The ice was so damn hard (refrozen crap) that I’m glad I used the 104s. The Blades are carvers….this snow was uncarvable. Was worried about my left knee and that massive Blade tip on the ice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jongle
Wonder if you all can recommend a ski for me.
I skied the 2018 Enforcer in a 177cm today at Alta and really liked them. No fresh snow - used groomers and chalky off-piste. I am 5'7" and 145 lbs. Intermediate skier, self-taught.
I was using demo bindings and moved them bindings forward 0.8cm after one run and liked them much better. Felt much more on top of the ski. I think I could even go another step forward but might lose stability.
I'm kind of looking for something to fill my all mountain spot. I have an MX 83-176 and will be mounting Praxis Powderboards in a 180. I'd like a ski for the following use cases: (1) soft snow on the mountain and can only bring one ski up, (2) afternoon ski on a powder day, (3) hard snow days when I want something more versatile than the MX83.
I'm not traveling to resort ski this year, so I'll just be at Alta. I'd prefer to give up float in pow than hard snow performance.
First q: should I size up if I go for the 104 or 110 as they have more tip and tail rocker? The profiles look very different from the 100. Can you confirm they are not a totally different ski? I've read the thread but am a bit worried.
Second q: should I look for a 104 or a 110? I'm a bit worried about the hard-snow performance of the 110. Does it require better technique to get the 110 to carve? I'm self-taught and still learning.
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Fair! I actually picked up a pair of mounted but basically unused 104 Frees in 179 for $450 CAD this weekend, based partly on your ravings… so expect an angry DM if they don’t work out. I think they’ll form the middle part of a great 3-ski quiver for Whistler, along with a Ranger 94 FR and Black Ops 118.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
You'll like the the E104s. I guarantee it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jongle
We have a similar bsl so you should try my Blades and I should try your 94 FRs....was looking at some 102 Fischer Ranger FRs in the Village this weekend. Nice ski.
KC
Going to address Q2 first since it is the important one. If you want hard snow performance (out west), you want the new Enforcer 100. If you want a bias towards firm snow, but a looser feel in in deep snow, you want the Enforcer 104 Free. If you want a ski that primarily handles off piste, but can still manage firmer snow, that is the Enforcer 110 Free.Quote:
Originally Posted by CirqueScaler
The 2018 Enforcer 100 that you skied used to have a different construction and somewhat easier-going feel compared to the newer (starting in 2021) 100. It now has the same construction as the Enforcer 104. The Enforcer 110 has the old construction and has the softest flex of the three. It is ridiculously easy to carve on firm snow for a ski with a 110-mm waist.
On the sizing up question, the short answer is, no. On the Enforcer 104 and 110, Nordica doesn't shorten up the turn radius due to the rocker profile versus the 100. That being said, the 110 does has the shortest radius of the three in the 177 length at 16.5-m versus slightly larger on the 100 and 104. With your stated size and ability, I would say the 177/179 lengths are spot on for you. If you were a more advanced or aggressive skier, I could see sizing up as an option but certainly not a requirement.
Finally, if I were skiing Alta regularly and wanted an Enforcer with firm-snow capabilities, it would either be the 100 or 104. If you like the feeling of finishing a turn, it is the 100. If you like the option to slide or break loose that tail easier, it is the 104.
Hope that helps.
Great info Bandit Man!
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Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Definitely. The Blade was on my shortlist for the Ranger 94 FR quiver slot, so I’d be keen to give it a try. I’ll shoot you a message next time I head up.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
Just for those that don’t know, the Enforcer 110 was updated with the Carbon Chassis and True Tip when the 104 came out but Nordica didn’t seem to advertise the change at all. Only this year on their own website do they even mention it.
Flex and sidecut seem the same as before but it should feel a bit more lively and playful even with about a 100gr increase in weight per ski.
Interesting. I’ve got the 2019 191’s so definitely before any changes took place. MyQuote:
Originally Posted by noslow
Son has the 2020 version, which should possess any construction updates. You’d think there would have been more mention of this update. Every other source (other than the website) mentions “same as it ever was.”
Very, very helpful. Thank you so much! Going to look for a 104 or a 110 in 179/177, whatever I find first/cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Thought it was odd too they they still haven’t really hyped up the updates but wasn’t sure if they were trying not to steal the thunder of the 104 and then the new 100/94 the next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I just noticed Evo had in their description that the 2020 Enforcers had the True Tip and then saw the 185cm 110 went from 2200gr in the first few years each to over 2300gr in 2020.
The 21 and 22 versions still weigh 2300gr and now it’s mentioned on the Evo and Nordica’s site under description but never has been a “now featuring” comment. Know all other websites have been saying it’s just a top sheet swap.
The Enforcer 115/Pro also gained 150gr in 2020 to around 2475gr but back down to 2325gr range again for 2022. Might have gone through a few tweaks in the last few years and it mentions the carbon chassis and True Tip as well everywhere now.
I’ve got the Enforcer Pro from the first or second year and it is definitely my favorite layup. That thicker core/stiffer profile on the 191 Enforcer 110 would be a killer big mountain ski. But, that isn’t the market they are after.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
I actually prefer the overall feel of the carbon-less build on the earlier Enforcers. I like the damp but manageable nature of those skis. I do not likely the “feedback” that the carbon provides in rough snow on the 104 Free.
I was told by a Nordica athlete that the 115/Pro had two sheets of metal in 2020, and then changed to one sheet of metal in 2021 without any indication of the change in their marketing materials. I don't know what the true story is with the 2022 model..Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
Was in the local shop today and fondled the new touring-specific Nordica Enforcer 104 Unlimited.
I can verify that the shape/tip splay/rocker profile is exactly the same as the regular Nordica E104 Free. It has the same E104 turned-up tail, but with a skin notch. I’m glad it’s not a flat tailed ski.
3,300 gm for a 179cm would be a sweet ski with an ATK Freeraider 14…. year.
PS they also had the new Elan Ripstick Tours....but based on an initial side-by-side feel/comparison, the Nordica is the one that I would pick.
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PSA: there’s a pair of Enforcer 110 in 191 with Warden 13 demos on Facebook marketplace right now. They’re asking $400 shipped.
Buy them before I have a few too many beers.
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Originally Posted by ticketchecker
Wooooaaaaaah I have a totally different perspective. I skid the 184 m6 and 186 e104 about 20 days each last year on the east coast. Totally different skis imo. M6 has much higher speed limit and suspension and is way better imho for groomers. Destroys ice and hard pack and very manageable in bumps, while relatively easy to pivot around in tight spots and trees. One of the best skis for New England imho if you push skis hard and ski on the right size. Still tons of fun in spring corn and up to 4-5 inches of east coast powder (heavier snow that gets pushed around into small bumps later in the day). No problem blasting through stuff or airing off it.
E104 is totally different animal. imho nowhere near the top end of the m6 in terms of speed limit and nowhere near as precise carving turns.
Also very different flex pattern. M6 flexes more in the middle of the ski offering support if you get a little backseat. E104 is more traditional and loads up the back of the ski if you get backseat.
E104 is more lively and oftentimes more fun at slowish speeds. Better float and more maneuverable - but not by much. And if you’re not on fresh snow, I think the m6 wins in maneuverability. High speed - no comparison - m6 all day.
Just one man’s opinion. If I could have one ski for the east coast, it would be the m6 in 184. Couldn’t pry them away from me even despite the ugly Spider-Man splooge on the tips.
For west coast, I’d defer to others. Think my new kastle fx106tis or hotshots might be the winner out there. Or, of course, the best ski of all - the m102.
Again just my perspective and don’t mean to say anyone else’s is wrong.