^^ Ragley makes a couple that also may be of interest, some very slack like the ESD Honzo, some more like the regular Honzo. I don't think any have slider dropouts though.
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^^ Ragley makes a couple that also may be of interest, some very slack like the ESD Honzo, some more like the regular Honzo. I don't think any have slider dropouts though.
Worth mentioning, most if not all the Brit companies measure geo sagged. Not a bad thing, but it changes things a bit if you’re comparing to static.
Moxie pipe dream about that geo and sliding dropouts. Love my Taival but not sliding dropouts. Looked at RSD Middlechild but reviews seemed pretty constituent that it’s not the most supple. I think the honzo esd is on the extreme side of progressive/potentially too much if possible. Id also keep my eyes open for a Stanton in the used market.
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Awesome! This gives me more to research. Thanks for the input, there are a lot of brands in this world that I’m not aware of.
I’m fully aware that the Honzo is a bike that makes no sense on paper. I think it might be fun to own for a season just as a change of pace from my carbon XC bike. I’ve wanted to pickup a new full suspension enduro bike but I’m going to probably wait until next year to do that. I can much more easily afford a used aggressive hardtail this fall that will hopefully be fun and let me figure of what type of geo I want in the future.
The Nimble 9 with a 160 fork is 65 on the dot. Its extremely supple, far more supple than the current Honzo offering either ESD or the normal ST or AL. I think the Honzo ESD would be kind of meh as SS. I have rode the stock build and honestly I wanted to LOVE it, but nope, same with the doctahawk just felt heavy and stiff. My N9 feel supple, quick and whippy and is around 27lb SS with no fancy part s on it and proper sliders.Quote:
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I’ll look at Canfield as well. For some reason I’ve never been as excited as others are about them (going back to like 2012) but I’ll give it a chance. Good to have other options for sure.
The moxie looks great and I found a used one. I’m thinking the price on this is a bit high and I’m not thrilled with the Ibis wheels. Any thoughts on pricing that would be reasonable to offer here?
https://m.pinkbike.com/buysell/3120617/
Man, that’s a sexy bike. In this market, that’s probably not far off of fair. What is it just to get that frame on the us now? I haven’t looked in a few years.
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I think the frame is about $900 including shipping. Some loose math would say he spent a good chunk more than that on the build unless it was cobbled together from old parts. Really really cool bike.
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Originally Posted by GeorgiaSnow
Took the Mmmbop up Snowbird yesterday, fun was had. Aluminum frames may not be fashionable, but this thing is so light I don't care. Such a hoot and it just flies on the jumps.
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Purple is sweetQuote:
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Earlier this summer I rode it past two 12-ish y.o. kids who both audibly remarked that it was a "sick" bike. A couple of tweens thinking some random old guy's bike is rad still makes me irrationally happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by VTskibum
Hear ya, earned some street cred riding a wheelie past some neighborhood teens.
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some ride well. The Fuse is the best I have tried but Id love to try the ragley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Well I found a great looking moxie that’s just not in my size. Posting here in case anyone else is looking.
Solid build for $2000 (makes the other build at $3750 a little hard to swallow).
https://m.pinkbike.com/buysell/3134107/
If this fit I’d be all over it.
On waitlist for a steel RSD Middle Child for my wife. Plan on running 27.5 wheels with 2.8 tires. Maybe Cush Core inserts if needed. 140 travel fork. Looking forward to taking it out for laps myself.
Seems like a pretty solid deal. Someone will get a decent bike!Quote:
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I’m in love with my Guerilla Gravity Pedalhead. I think they aren’t making them due to material shortages but if you see a rare used one pop up don’t be afraid, with the square tubes the vertical compliance is really nice. I haven’t tried many others, just parking lot ride on an older geo N9 and older Chromag but I think GG had the best compliance of the 3.Quote:
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At 150mm it is right at 65 degree HTA. Running 29 x 2.6 front and back and 200mm brakes front and back.
Hopefully you get this sorted out, it’s really nice having a steel hardtail and a mid to long travel enduro rig!
Ok - looking for the hardtail weirdo thread to talk me out of something before 4pm PDT today:
A mechanical my main / only trail bike this weekend and a brief panic about parts availability led me to realize I need a second bike for neighborhood trail riding.
https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBOOHD...-mountain-bike
520 reach / 650 stack / 62* HTA / 77* STA
$2k shipped to my door.
Background
Location: NorCal, neighborhood rides involve stitching together 500-1000' pavement or fire road climbs and steep grom-built or game trails, virtually completely smooth except for small jumps, some steep eroded chutes, and these days braking bumps. No rolling xc terrain available from my garage.
Current quiver: 2018 xl sentinel, cascade link and 170mm lyrik airshaft, 26" rigid steel banshee scratch dirt jumper. I also have a 26" on-one summer season 456 with a fox 36 on the east coast for family visits.
Me: 6'5" x 240#, season 29 on the bike
Sizing / Geo needs: Reach > 500mm / Stack > 625mm / HTA <65* / STA>75* / 29" wheels
Availability needs: sometime soon
Willingness to pay: Less than the $2500 I spent on my sentinel new way back when (inflation amirite?!?!?)
Material preference: Steel
Bike Philosophy: I have never met a geometry progression I didn't like (or at least try - remember the 24" x 3" rear wheels on DH bikes?), drivetrain and wheels are consumables and I don't believe in going above XT / GX except for hubs, chasing non-rotating weight reduction on a bike is a red herring for going faster.
I haven't found anything that would fit me that is available anytime soon, for anywhere near the price...
- Jamis dragon 29?
- Honzo ESD / Chromags / Cotics / Stantons / Middlechilds (children?) seem to be unobtanium
Look like it would be between a Grande El Roy and one of the Ragleys?
^^^ that On One seems like a decent deal. It's certainly not light, and the components are mediocre-ish, but I think that's probably par for the course at that price point these days. It's also pretty damn slack, which may or may not be a good thing, depending on your preferences. But given the impossibility of finding bikes these days, it's better than nothing.
Worst case scenario: you're not that into it. You could probably sell it for a modest loss.
Bill! That thing looks pretty sweet. You should get it.
Thanks for the replies - I added a couple of comments in a "philosophy" section to address toast's valid critiques about parts spec and weight - which is to say that I tend to prioritize those two things pretty low...
bags - hope all is good with you!
that is one big ass bike, should be a bruiser. Spec has sub-par tires and brakes and a pike is going to be a bit wimpy of a fork at 150mm and 62*. Given today's availability buy it put on better tires and replace other parts as they break.
I also have an XL sentinel and a hardtail but mine is a more xcish nukeproof scout with 480 reach and a 65ha that make a nice change from the big bike.
What I learned having a slackish hardtail are: the biggest brakes you can get (due to less traction on the rear wheel), and the plushest fork you can get make so much of a difference. I totally changed my fork tuning philosophy for the hardtail (very progressive and soft off the top vs. more linear on my other bike). Also I really really like 35mm wide wheels with 29 x 2.6 tires for the HT around here, just feels like it strikes a good balance of traction, takes off some bite of trail chatter, still supportive when cornering, and not too much slow steering sensation that I hear about with wider rims and tires.
That said don't let perfect be the enemy of the good - but any chance they can do a custom build with a Lyrik ... and maybe wider rims to save you hassle down the line?
Additional notes - I've got some hayes 4 pots that have served me well and could throw on (although I believe these are the "e" model and have a code caliper and guide lever?)
Fork - if anything I'd put a zeb on the sentinel and move the lyirk from that to the hardtail with a 150mm air shaft.
Tires - i've got a rotation right now depending on ride location / intent so would likely take whatever this bike comes with as the "wear these out around the neighborhood" set unless they are really shit.
Rim width @ schralp - rims are wear items.
The nukeproof looks cool, that's my biggest question - do I get something a bit more middle of the road? Main concern is finding one that is cheap, available, steel, and that won't feel like a circus bike.
Looking at this genre of bike for my teen. We cannot test ride one first, nothing available. He's coming from Trek Roscoe.
He does some racing but mostly just riding smooth-ish singletrack. I have been looking for something like a plain hardtail 29er. Would something like a commencal Meta HT or Kona Honzo be too raked out and slack for XC riding? I'm trying to figure out if these are hardtail DH bikes, or more like a overforked XC bike?
Sounds like you’ve got the parts to make it work, and also the dealer has the frame in stock. Might as well go for it. Then you won’t be swapping tires as needed for neighborhood vs what is left of South Tahoe after Caldor has its way.
Those brakes on the On One are listed as Guide G2 (not RE) which are 4 pot right? I was thinking more rotor size which is unlisted, than lever action. But sounds like you can make it work.
And worst case keep the rims for a while, since they are the same size as your sentinel you can rotate tires around seasonally based on wear and specific need. But I’ll keep selling you on 35mm and 2.6” rims when you finally bang one up.
Ha - yes, and I will continue politely listening to your rim width comments.
I think in general, planet X doesn't do a good job of matching their ad copy to their other marketing materials - so the copy says guide RE / table says Guide R2, copy says short offset pike / table stays silent on offset, picture shows panaracers / table shows nobby nics, etc...I suppose that potential grab-bag is a mark in the "con" section.
Let's hear more "don't do it" opinions!
Fuck that. Do it!Quote:
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The part spec is fine for the price. I agree with most of the discussion above re: brakes and fork. Parts can be upgraded, but you can't upgrade a bike that you don't own.
More on the “do it”
I’ve never tried 62 head angle but sagged you are gonna be closer to your sentinel anyway.
And then also, I’ve come to appreciate wheel flop as it comes to countersteer turn initiation: turn opposite way, let the bike fall over into the corner, snap the bars straight and rail them channel tires - let that hard tail support the rear tire and jump through your cranks while the rear tire is pushing through the corner finish. FUN!
The wayne gretzky of bike shopping right here folks.Quote:
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I think some of the 66-68 would be fine for XC, but the Honzo ESD and the like may be pretty slow. Still would work, but maybe overkill for those kind of trails IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by jhyatt
Also definitely say go for it Mildbill
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normal non ESD Honzo is 66 degree so it should be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by VTskibum
I'm selling a 2019 Honzo DL. Let me know if you're interested.Quote:
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That is a 68 degree head angle JHyatt just FYI. Might be better than a new Honzo for XC racing.Quote:
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Bumping this one up. Jhyatt, did you end up going this route for your kid? My son is in need of a new bike (13) and has been having fun riding my old hardtail to the school bus. Thinking its time to try this progressive hardtail. He is also 5' 9 1/2" and growing so I think a large frame will last him years with the bonus I can ride it.Quote:
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He rides trails, hits jumps at the bike park, etc. Is he gonna be happy long term with a progressive hardtail?
The kid still rides it for sure. It's a medium and he is almost 6' so it's too small but he kind of likes that.
He does a mtb team and races it, but also goofs around in the woods with friends on it in a way you would not want on a real xc race bike.
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Not mine, but for sale locally. Seller is the real deal, wouldn't hesitate to buy from him.Quote:
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https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3305755/
thanks. that bike looks a little too steep on the head angle. Like he would be over the top of the bars hitting jumps, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by milestogo
Not w/ the 150mm fork and a size Large IMO. 68* for 120mm fork, so likely more around 66.5* at 150. Not sure what bike park you're talking about, if truly DH lift served then that may not be ideal. If more dirt jump style bike park, 68* is still slacker than most DJs and 66-68* is fine for trail riding. YMMVQuote:
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