Athletic performance in your 40s?

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Originally Posted by The AD

I believe they're called swim coaches. :fm:

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When I was in my 20's and 30's I had an easy time maintaining my weight. Around 41 I noticed I had to start watching my diet just a little more closely, but still didn't have to increase my workouts or activities. At age 42 I picked up martial arts again so if I got lazy with my diet the extra activity would help maintain my body. Then at around age 45 I noticed a weight gain around the holidays and just figured it was my poor diet choices and that after going back to my normal diet the weight would come off. Unfortunately it didn't and thus began my struggle with controlling my weight. I increased my workouts, dramatically in some areas, and the weight wasn't coming off very easily. This lead to some injuries, which cause me to have to slow down while I healed thus making weight control that much more difficult. At 46 decided that I have to pay much closer attention to my diet. I have started counting calories, while continuing my workouts and activities. It is paying off as I'm losing weight and getting closer to my goal. I've also found that decreasing my cardio a little and increasing my weight training has helped. This the opposite thing that I did in my early 40's because back then I found weight training just made my wider all over and limited my flexibility, which hindered some of my activities like mountain biking.

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Originally Posted by The AD

I believe they're called swim coaches. :fm:

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Yep, our Master's swim coach from when I lived in MA is now banned for life from USA Swimming and removed from the ASCA Hall of Fame. Sadly, for some reason, it does not surprise me even though I never got a creeper feeling from him. But then, I only swam with the masters group and was never really around the kids except when we crossed paths in the locker room or pool deck as practices switched.

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Originally Posted by SumJongGuy

First wake up call for me mid 40s was on a trip to Boston with the family to see my sister's family. We did the usual brick walk stuff then decided to go check out the Bunker Hill monument. It was already a long uphill walk from the parking spot to the building. Wife looked up and said "no way" so I trotted in with the two kids, ages 4 and 6. The steps were bigger than I expected and lots more of them LOL. We passed some dude half way up who was puking out a little window. Did I mention it was hot as hell? Anyway, we made it up, rested a few minutes, then trotted down. Upon exit noticed dozens of people laying in the grass like a combat casualties zone. I could barely walk back to the car. That climb about kicked my ass. Ten years later, pretty sure I can still do it, but would probably take longer, maybe stop for a couple minutes to puke half way up LOL..

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You know, in my experience, if you really want to lose weight and stay thin, Giardia is amazingly effective, and requires almost no willpower.

Disclaimer: I am not a doctor. Or a dentist.

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Originally Posted by 2bjenny

Yep, our Master's swim coach from when I lived in MA is now banned for life from USA Swimming and removed from the ASCA Hall of Fame. Sadly, for some reason, it does not surprise me even though I never got a creeper feeling from him. But then, I only swam with the masters group and was never really around the kids except when we crossed paths in the locker room or pool deck as practices switched.

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My wife's theory is that all kids' coaches are perverts because no one else would actually want to be around kids that much.

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Originally Posted by 2FUNKY

Was that not what this thread was about? Huh.

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thats not really an atheletic performance unless those kids had score cards

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Originally Posted by Grange

When I was in my 20's and 30's I had an easy time maintaining my weight. Around 41 I noticed I had to start watching my diet just a little more closely, but still didn't have to increase my workouts or activities. At age 42 I picked up martial arts again so if I got lazy with my diet the extra activity would help maintain my body. Then at around age 45 I noticed a weight gain around the holidays and just figured it was my poor diet choices and that after going back to my normal diet the weight would come off. Unfortunately it didn't and thus began my struggle with controlling my weight. I increased my workouts, dramatically in some areas, and the weight wasn't coming off very easily. This lead to some injuries, which cause me to have to slow down while I healed thus making weight control that much more difficult. At 46 decided that I have to pay much closer attention to my diet. I have started counting calories, while continuing my workouts and activities. It is paying off as I'm losing weight and getting closer to my goal. I've also found that decreasing my cardio a little and increasing my weight training has helped. This the opposite thing that I did in my early 40's because back then I found weight training just made my wider all over and limited my flexibility, which hindered some of my activities like mountain biking.

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This cannot be repeated often enough:

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Originally Posted by Flyoverland Captive

Get fit in the gym; lose weight in the kitchen.

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I said the same thing in different wording later on and people jumped my shit. But, whatever, it's the truth.

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Originally Posted by Dantheman

This cannot be repeated often enough:



I said the same thing in different wording later on and people jumped my shit. But, whatever, it's the truth.

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FIXED:

"Get fit in the mountains"

:yourock:

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Originally Posted by Dantheman

This cannot be repeated often enough:



I said the same thing in different wording later on and people jumped my shit. But, whatever, it's the truth.

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Methinks you doth protest too much. You got your shit jumped because you're under 40 and haven't experienced what Grange just described, and you made it sound like it was easy. What he describes is real for a vast majority of people over 40, and it isn't easy. I totally 100% agree that diet is the key to losing weight or keeping it off; it's often been said that you can't out-exercise a bad diet. But what worked in my 20s and 30s diet wise doesn't work anymore. Simply paying attention to what I ate would keep me at a good target weight of 170 or less, without any effort. And if I got fat because I was eating a shitton of donuts (what occurred at one point in my life, at 30), I was able to drop it all with very little effort, went from 185 to 160 in 3-4 months of really dieting.

But with that same "watching what I eat" and adding in limiting alcohol consumption, I found the weight creeping up in my mid-40s, to the point that at 50, I was eating a pretty good diet but could not get below 180-185. It wasn't that I was unable to out-exercise a BAD diet, it's that even a pretty good diet wasn't enough. Since I've been keto for the last 15 months, I have dropped back down, but that is pretty drastic and most people find it not sustainable.

The point is that except for some genetic freaks, shit changes drastically as you get older. And requires a fuckton more diligence and time to hold on to where you were in your 30s. Until you've experienced that (and maybe you're one of the genetic freaks that won't), it's easy to act like it is easy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldQrapQ4d0Y

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Originally Posted by Danno

Methinks you doth protest too much. You got your shit jumped because you're under 40 and haven't experienced what Grange just described, and you made it sound like it was easy. What he describes is real for a vast majority of people over 40, and it isn't easy. I totally 100% agree that diet is the key to losing weight or keeping it off; it's often been said that you can't out-exercise a bad diet. But what worked in my 20s and 30s diet wise doesn't work anymore. Simply paying attention to what I ate would keep me at a good target weight of 170 or less, without any effort. And if I got fat because I was eating a shitton of donuts (what occurred at one point in my life, at 30), I was able to drop it all with very little effort, went from 185 to 160 in 3-4 months of really dieting.

But with that same "watching what I eat" and adding in limiting alcohol consumption, I found the weight creeping up in my mid-40s, to the point that at 50, I was eating a pretty good diet but could not get below 180-185. It wasn't that I was unable to out-exercise a BAD diet, it's that even a pretty good diet wasn't enough. Since I've been keto for the last 15 months, I have dropped back down, but that is pretty drastic and most people find it not sustainable.

The point is that except for some genetic freaks, shit changes drastically as you get older. And requires a fuckton more diligence and time to hold on to where you were in your 30s. Until you've experienced that (and maybe you're one of the genetic freaks that won't), it's easy to act like it is easy.

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I've actually found that for me, to go from really fit to extremely fit (ie trimmer/stronger than an active American to trimmer/stronger than an average athlete) it's not food. It's the exercise type and frequency.

I mean, assuming I'm not eating a shit ton of donuts or something...

The biggest eating change that I made was to cut out all food between meals unless prefueling for exercise, and to remove all non-alcoholic drinks that weren't water. That seems to have been enough combined with exercise type. No limit on beer needed.

My body type may be unusual. What do I know? I just know what works for me.

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Originally Posted by beece

You know, in my experience, if you really want to lose weight and stay thin, Giardia is amazingly effective, and requires almost no willpower.

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Ask my doctor if it’s right for me?

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Originally Posted by acinpdx

Ask my doctor if it’s right for me?

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Side effects may include ...

These side effects may be heightened in effect during kayaking trips in Alaska.

Don’t ask me how I know.

41. Still an all right skier and I ski better than I used to. Hard to measure though because the gear improved so much.
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Climbing makes it easy to compare your fitness. I crush stuff I couldn't do a few years back. Bouldering my first V10s. So technically I'm stronger than ever. And I've been climbing since my early 20s, so I can compare. And I can do a one arm pull up these days which was a concept of fantasy in my mid 20s when I was an average climber. (5.11/12routes )

But I noticed my weight starting to go up. As a climber you have a pretty good idea of your weight range. (used to be 76 to 80 kg) but now I have broken the 80kg (175pounds? At about 6ft)barrier and try to get back. I still hope it's the biking to work and all those unnecessary leg muscles ;)

. It made me realize I'm getting older and that I have to start with endurance training again.

I don't think I'm fat by normal standards, but compared to others in the climbing gym I carry around a lot of dead weight. Since most of them are younger AND weaker than me it's still all right I guess.


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Originally Posted by Danno

Methinks you doth protest too much. You got your shit jumped because you're under 40 and haven't experienced what Grange just described, and you made it sound like it was easy. What he describes is real for a vast majority of people over 40, and it isn't easy. I totally 100% agree that diet is the key to losing weight or keeping it off; it's often been said that you can't out-exercise a bad diet. But what worked in my 20s and 30s diet wise doesn't work anymore. Simply paying attention to what I ate would keep me at a good target weight of 170 or less, without any effort. And if I got fat because I was eating a shitton of donuts (what occurred at one point in my life, at 30), I was able to drop it all with very little effort, went from 185 to 160 in 3-4 months of really dieting.

But with that same "watching what I eat" and adding in limiting alcohol consumption, I found the weight creeping up in my mid-40s, to the point that at 50, I was eating a pretty good diet but could not get below 180-185. It wasn't that I was unable to out-exercise a BAD diet, it's that even a pretty good diet wasn't enough. Since I've been keto for the last 15 months, I have dropped back down, but that is pretty drastic and most people find it not sustainable.

The point is that except for some genetic freaks, shit changes drastically as you get older. And requires a fuckton more diligence and time to hold on to where you were in your 30s. Until you've experienced that (and maybe you're one of the genetic freaks that won't), it's easy to act like it is easy.

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At that point in the thread it was being suggested that if you are ill or injured it's impossible to not get fat, which is patently false. I stand by my statement that if you eat a whole food diet and fast a couple days a week you'll find it difficult to impossible to get fat, regardless of age or personal genetics. This is not a personal anecdote, it's supported by a wide body of research, hence the fact that I'm not (quite) 40 yet is irrelevant. Obviously, for psychological and sociological reasons it is difficult for most people. The grass is always greener, I guess. I eat a ridiculous amount of food. The idea of not eating at all a couple days per week sounds glorious.

At the risk of incurring further wrath: I have a habit of observing the contents of people's carts at the grocery store. The level of congruency between what's in the cart and the shape of the person pushing it is usually high to very high. Not a moral judgement, just an observation. Eat whatever makes you happy.

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Originally Posted by subtle plague

And I can do a one arm pull up these days which was a concept of fantasy in my mid 20s when I was an average climber. (5.11/12routes )

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Damn, respect.

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Originally Posted by Dantheman

Damn, respect.

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Thanks. Years of campus board training with extra weight finally pay of. But I have to be absolutely rested and can't do more than one. A young strong climbing buddy of mine (like 10 strongest here in Germany bouldering V15) can do a one arm pull up with 17kg extra weight on a crimp. That is insane. I can barely hang on that beast maker crimp one handed. But he is 24 and has been training hard since he was 16. Oh well... The fountain of youth.

That's another thing where age comes in. I can't train more than three times a week and need at least two rest days before sending hard. He trains 5 times a week and can do 2 on one off when he is out on rock.

Here is what those young whippersnappers do while training.
https://vimeo.com/66473915

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Originally Posted by jackstraw

Agree, but much easier said than done in a lot of cases. Throw in a serious injury, illness, disease, raising a family, caring for your parents, and the list goes on. And for women, throw in carrying around and extra 30-40 lbs for 9 months that wreaks havoc on your body, dropping a kid out and then caring for it 24/7. Fuck! They have it way worse.

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Originally Posted by Dantheman

At that point in the thread it was being suggested that if you are ill or injured it's impossible to not get fat, which is patently false.

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Danny, impossible was not stated as you can see in my post that you quoted. Easier said than done...absolutely. Maybe not for you, but for many and probably most. Not everyone is a type A personality and certainly, not everyone wants to fast because that just fucking sucks.

Genetics certainly play a role. I'm probably lucky in that department, but I was a vegetarian for 10+ years mid 20's thru 30's and still limit my red meat intake. Low sugar diet, no mcshit food, I haven't had a soda in...I can't remember when...25 years? But I drink a lot of high calories beer and my portions of healthy food are too big. I should probably be 165lb, but I really just don't give a shit because I'm happy and I'm type B.

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Originally Posted by Bromontane

How can you have a low sugar diet and drink a lot of craft beer?

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Low sugar food diet? Beer is sometimes food I guess.

every Canadian food product has a white label telling you how much a portion is and how much sugar it has but i doubt anybody looksa at it, right now post mtb ride I am drinking a can of soda water on ice avec a big shot of lime which tells me a can is a 355ml serving and its all fucking zero's

I cut out all added sugars including honey and I check the white labels to find the product with the lowest sugar levels, at the same time I cut portion sizes, I lost 15-20lbs i lost the little gut, I went from overweight to a normal BMI and my a1c went down from almost 9 to almost 7

So if you are overeating its more than just being fat and happy it ain't good for your blood sugar


every since the 2 craft brewpubs openned just a few blocks away I have gained 2-3 lbs, my a1c is up maybe half a point and the rent money my tennant brings up stairs no longer lasts til the next time she pays the rent

last year when my back was fucked i did absolutely nothing for 8 weeks, drank a lot of craft brew ate exactly the same as I always do and gained no weight

The year I skied 106 days mostly uphill and quit drinking for 6 months the same thing happened, i neither gained or lost weight

mutherfucking portion control eh

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Originally Posted by Bromontane

Point being if you drink a lot of high point beer you are not running a low sugar diet. Which then undermines the claim of diet regulation not working. The scale dgaf if you drink 10lbs or eat it.

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Huh? Beer doesn't have sugar, or very little. All the sugar has been converted to alcohol during the fermentation process.

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Originally Posted by jackstraw

Low sugar food diet? Beer is sometimes food I guess.

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Beer is *ALWAYS* food.

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Beer is *ALWAYS* food.

:cool:

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Liquid Bread

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Originally Posted by jackstraw

Low sugar food diet? Beer is sometimes food I guess.

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beer is food - it's liquid bread

17th century monks went on beer fasts during lent

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Originally Posted by The AD

Huh? Beer doesn't have sugar, or very little. All the sugar has been converted to alcohol during the fermentation process.

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oy

carbs are sugars. there are simple and complex. the difference between a simple carb
and complex is how easily it is digested and absorbed

Your fridge should look like this for real success Attachment 290535

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Originally Posted by fastfred

regret swimming?
I know a few people who are swimming more now, because of the low impact it has on your body plus the breathing

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Yeah. I just started swimming laps at a late age because it's the ultimate low impact aerobic activity. Waterproof headphones, an edible, and just get into the zone. Awesome.

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Originally Posted by fastfred

Your fridge should look like this for real success Attachment 290535

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I'd lose weight with a fridge that looked like that... since I wouldn't drink ANY of that shit. :D

I might finish the gatorade if I was really thirsty.

i notice the vegetable drawer is completely missing

I've seen fridges in college dorms that look better than that...

Leffe rocks.

i agree

Please don't post a picture of your bathroom.

There's an ounce in the there too. Fully stocked. Just need to figure out dinner

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Originally Posted by jackstraw

Not everyone is a type A personality and certainly, not everyone wants to fast because that just fucking sucks.

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1. LOL at the idea that I'm Type A. No one who knows me IRL would say that.

2. You don't need to fast, but you have a lot more wiggle room in your diet if you do. Seeing as how the most common complaints with healthy eating are the cost and time commitment, well, not eating solves those two issues quite nicely.

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Originally Posted by jackstraw

But I drink a lot of high calories beer

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Beer is good, there's no denying that. Depending on your perspective I'm either lucky or unlucky in that regard. These days alcohol just makes me feel terrible and I've involuntarily cut my intake close to zero.

Getting close to 2,500 miles on the bike for the year. Woke up this morning at 138lbs at 5’10”. Heat has no effect on me right now, in fact I crave the hot days. Got back a gear while climbing, that always feels good. Trying to lean out as much as possible for the Overland on the 25th. They reopened registration a few times now, looks like about 900 people, mass start!
https://www.bikereg.com/overland

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Originally Posted by Dantheman

2. You don't need to fast, but you have a lot more wiggle room in your diet if you do. Seeing as how the most common complaints with healthy eating are the cost and time commitment, well, not eating solves those two issues quite nicely.

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Ha. Sounds like we're on the same meal plan.

I agree- fasting can be refreshing. sometimes I'm over my eating choices and I'd rather eat nothing and it doesn't bother me much. (I feel like ladies get primed for this from birth anyway so maybe easier for me) sometimes I get the super hunger pang, but it's not really different than what I'd get when I was eating typical 3 meals about an hour before usual meal time.
but I get the others that think that is torture. don't get hangry, my friends

also was this the thread with the discussion about munchies?
I think it's the other way around for most, but I did some analyzing and realized I get way more snacky when I drink vs smoking.
mostly if I am at home, I'll start whipping up all sorts of stuff I would usually never bother with
but dang the extra coughs that come with the dweeds is not welcome as I grow older. hopefully wyo comes around on the issue sooner rather than later so I can have healthier options. I mean it's as if they don't care about my health!