Truck Tire Time

Thanks for the follow up, PNWBrit. You have a Tacoma, right?

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Originally Posted by 3PinGrin

Danno,
Check out the Falken Wildpeak AT3W.
Good price point and good on wear after 2 years for me. Great in snow, mud, sand, not the best on ice but acceptable IMO.

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Thanks. What are you running them on?

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Originally Posted by PNWcement

Just put these on my Land Crusher a couple of months ago - super happy with them thus far. Looking forward to checking them out this winter, but summer travel and fire roads have had good results - price point is great especially after Discount Tire rebates.

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Good to hear, I have a Sequoia so similar weight.

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Originally Posted by shredgnar

BFG AT KO2. Usually a pretty good deal at Costco on these w/ warranty and rotations. On my 6th pair, still can't find anything better.

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In my size, they are expensive as fuck.

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Originally Posted by Bosco

I'd pay attention to the tire load rating you require. I recently bought the BFG AT KO2 for my first gen Tundra, which I could only get in an E rating. Took them off after a couple of months because the ride was too rough and I didn't need the load capacity. I then bought the Falken Wildpeak AT3W in a lower rating and couldn't be happier.

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This is why the BFGs are so expensive, I believe. I don't know jack about tires and all the different specs, but the BFGs in my size are load range E. But I'm also concerned the other way, the Sequoia is a pretty heavy vehicle so I wonder if a review about handling and wear from a compact pickup truck is relevant to my vehicle. Happy to be edjumacated if someone wants to talk to me like I'm an idiot.

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Do you need offroad capability at all, or just good manners on street + snow?

I started a thread awhile back about "all weather" tires, and there are several truck tires available with the 3PMSF rating.

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I mostly need good manners on street and snow. I tow a small hard side camper too, if that matters. I don't offroad much, but I do the White Rim on occasion so it can't be a complete dog off road, but it doesn't need to be an off road specialist by any means. I do like the idea of a tire with the "3PMSF" rating.

Again, I am a complete tire jong.

Danno - you don't need an E-rated tire for a Sequoia. Those are for 3/4 and 1-ton trucks. They have stiffer sidewalls to support a lot of weight, and will ride worse on 1/2-ton and smaller.

A Sequoia is a Tundra turned into an SUV, so think Tundra when you think tires. C-rated (if you are looking at LT tires) or P-metric are going to be fine. Some will argue that a LT tire in a C load rating (e.g. LT265/75/16) is a tougher tire than the same size in a P-metric (e.g. P265/75/16), but I have not personally found that to be the case, even in offroad use.

Danno yes a Tacoma.

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Originally Posted by Danno

I mostly need good manners on street and snow. I tow a small hard side camper too, if that matters. I don't offroad much, but I do the White Rim on occasion so it can't be a complete dog off road, but it doesn't need to be an off road specialist by any means. I do like the idea of a tire with the "3PMSF" rating.

Again, I am a complete tire jong.

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How often do you tow, and what's the tongue weight of the trailer? If you don't know the tongue weight, maybe this will help:
- what's the wet (loaded, ready to camp) weight of the trailer?
- do you have a weight distribution hitch for that trailer? or does it just mount onto the ball in the receiver, without any additional bracketry or attachments?

I had terrible luck with K02s. I posted about it before, cliff notes: terrible tread life, uneven wear, sagging sidewalls, bad ride, etc. Got warranty replacements from discount tire and they fixed me up with Duratracs.

ymmv - this was on an F350, maybe I'd have better luck on a lighter rig.

Duratracs have been awesome on 2 Land Cruisers, 1 Isuzu Trooper, 1 Chevy 2500 and 1 F350. It's all I'll buy for an offroad leaning all-terrain tire.

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

How often do you tow, and what's the tongue weight of the trailer? If you don't know the tongue weight, maybe this will help:
- what's the wet (loaded, ready to camp) weight of the trailer?
- do you have a weight distribution hitch for that trailer? or does it just mount onto the ball in the receiver, without any additional bracketry or attachments?

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I don't tow that often, maybe 5 weekends a year (though 3 years ago I did a 3000 mi road trip, and those could happen). I think the tongue weight is 400-500lbs. Loaded I think it weighs about ~3500, and yes, I do use a WDH.

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Originally Posted by Danno

Thanks. What are you running them on?

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I'm running an e-rated version on an F-150.

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Originally Posted by 3PinGrin

Danno,
Check out the Falken Wildpeak AT3W.
Good price point and good on wear after 2 years for me. Great in snow, mud, sand, not the best on ice but acceptable IMO.

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love these on my Frontier

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Originally Posted by Muggydude

Not super pleased with cooper at3 on our f150. Don’t handle snow that well and are wearing quickly

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Agreed. Had a set on my old f250 and after they got about 10k on them they started turning into ice skates. I'd like to try a set of Cooper AT3W, but will probably go with duratracs or the Falken AT3W when its time to put tires on my new f150. I love duratracs in the snow.

Also, I'm currently running LR E Toyos on my f150. I think they ride fine, but I expect it to ride like a truck. I'm also coming from an OBS F250 though.

a few people on the Sequoia forum swear by the Michelin Defender LTX M/S. They say that they handle well in all conditions and have amazing tread life (thus mitigating the extra cost). Anyone here run those?

Just get the A/T3W's and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by Danno

In my size, they are expensive as fuck.

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Lawyer driving a Sequoia complains about tire price..... ;)

I got a set of BFG's installed this year for less than $1K. You don't need or want E rated. Get C rated. You get what you pay for anyway.

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Originally Posted by Danno

I don't tow that often, maybe 5 weekends a year (though 3 years ago I did a 3000 mi road trip, and those could happen). I think the tongue weight is 400-500lbs. Loaded I think it weighs about ~3500, and yes, I do use a WDH.

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Get the C rated LT tire. It should be slightly better for towing vs the P metric size.

Also, when towing, you'll want to add more air to the rear tires of the tow vehicle to compensate for the weight.

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Originally Posted by Danno

a few people on the Sequoia forum swear by the Michelin Defender LTX M/S. They say that they handle well in all conditions and have amazing tread life (thus mitigating the extra cost). Anyone here run those?

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The Michelin LTX is the first one that comes to mind for me, for a street oriented tire with good winter manners. I don't know if they get the 3PMSF rating though, which presumably is worth something.

It's not even remotely an off road tire, but that doesn't mean you can't drive on dirt roads occasionally with it.

In your position, I'd wait for the next sale from Discount Tire or Costco - there will be the usual sales around Labor Day or Thanksgiving, so you'll have time before winter snows to replace the worn tires.

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Originally Posted by shredgnar

Lawyer driving a Sequoia complains about tire price..... ;)

I got a set of BFG's installed this year for less than $1K. You don't need or want E rated. Get C rated. You get what you pay for anyway.

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A government lawyer driving a 2006 Sequoia with 170k miles on it.

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Originally Posted by Danno

A government lawyer driving a 2006 Sequoia with 170k miles on it.

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I figured that but still had to call it out. I sold my Taco with newer BFG's on it. They were probably worth as much as the truck.

A gentlemanly way to exchange a Toyota. BFGs in n out.

Geolandar G015 is LT-designated in the larger sizes. Handles well in the snow. We have the P-metric on our 2015 Outback and they work pretty well in all conditions we've thrown at them but we don't do much off-roading, just the typical fire road stuff for trailhead access. The LT-metric has larger/deeper tread.

The G015 seems somewhat similar to the Cooper AT3/W, Wildpeak ATW, Dynapro ATM, Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus, etc -- but based on the tread pattern, I'd guess the G015 is better on wet roads and worse off road due to the circumferential grooves. Just a thought.

Pretty sure my moms runs those Michelin LTX tires on her 2014 Explorer. The guys at Discount Tire seem stoked on them but I thought they were okay, nothing special. As pointed out above, they're basically a street tire that handles alright in the snow without the 3PMSF rating. They were likely the best option for her since the Explorer went to super wide, low-profile tires and none of the AT 3PMSF tires mentioned in this thread fit that. Edit: per Steve's post, likely the MS2

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

The Michelin LTX is the first one that comes to mind for me, for a street oriented tire with good winter manners. I don't know if they get the 3PMSF rating though, which presumably is worth something.

It's not even remotely an off road tire, but that doesn't mean you can't drive on dirt roads occasionally with it.

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LTX comes in different flavors: A/T2, Winter, M/S2, Primacy. A/T2 is the most aggressive tread, certainly not an off-road tire, but a very good rough dirt road tire that performs well on highway. (FWIW, CR gives it top rating for truck tires.) I can't say much about A/T2 winter performance because I swap them out for Blizzaks Nov-March. My bud has LTX M/S2 on his Sprinter RV -- tread looks like a highway tire with lots of siping.

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Originally Posted by GeezerSteve

LTX comes in different flavors: A/T2, Winter, M/S2, Primacy. A/T2 is the most aggressive tread, certainly not an off-road tire, but a very good rough dirt road tire that performs well on highway. (FWIW, CR gives it top rating for truck tires.) I can't say much about A/T2 winter performance because I swap them out for Blizzaks Nov-March. My bud has LTX M/S2 on his Sprinter RV -- tread looks like a highway tire with lots of siping.

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I was thinking of the LTX MS -- the most street oriented one.

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

I was thinking of the LTX MS -- the most street oriented one.

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I can confirm ltx ms2 is great for towing good for snow. Just doesn't have the off road look if that matters at all. We have used ours for slow off roading with no issues.

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Thanks for that confirmation. Don't care about off road look. I do care about the 3PMSF rating, which weighs in favor of the Falken, but it's not a deal breaker.

I think I am down to those 2 (Falken and Michelin). Don't have to decide just yet. Going on the White Rim in October so may want new tires by then, but may decide to get tires after that. And while the Falken's will save me ~$175 right now, there may be sales or rebates on the Michelins in the future, so I'll just keep my eyes peeled. Definitely buying from Discount Tire, but they usually price match, so I'll check tire rack and costco.

I went through a similar evaluation about this time last year. I ended up with Cooper ATWs for my 4Runner and couldn't be happier with them. Quiet on the road, even tread wear, and excellent traction in the snow.

I’m still happy with the cooper atw on a land cruiser. Got the not E rated version. Over 20k on them. Road, wet, snow, slush, dirt, gravel, and some slick mud/roots stuff. My towing has only been short distances but usually relatively heavy loads.

Regarding the BFG KO2, I was surprised to see the relatively poor rating for winter conditions from the Canadian tire testing.

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Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark

Just get the LTX M/S’ and be done with it.

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Fixed, according to me.

I had to replace the Duratracs on my truck last fall and went with Geolander G015. I had considered the Haaka Rotiivas and Fallen Wildpeak AT3Ws too. The Yoko's did pretty well for me running up and down to Baker last winter through a few big storms and sometimes before or after the plows were running. One of the big drivers in my decision was finding a size that would work for me, I wanted to downsize from the 315/70-17s but mostly in width and not much in diameter so I was looking for a 285/75-17 which really limited my choices.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Regarding the BFG KO2, I was surprised to see the relatively poor rating for winter conditions from the Canadian tire testing.

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BFG KO2's suck in the winter IMHO. Their rubber compound is way too stiff. I had a set on a 2007 GMC Crewcab and they were downright scary on ice or packed snow.

Exact opposite of the ones on my truck. I used to run a dedicated winter studded tire and don’t after running the KO2. I even tow in the winter and have zero issues, icy boat ramps etc. One of the best tires going. They did change the compound, maybe that’s why.

In no particular order.

You guys should check out Hercules. Made by Cooper. Cheaper and out perform many other options (Coopers, Toyos, BFGs). I run the full redneck Terra Trac TG but friends have had good luck with the other models.

Sipe your tires. Rotate every other oil change at the least. If you are running light on dirt roads, put it in 4x. Make sure your suspension and alignment is in good order. It works. All of this makes your rubber last.

Replace your tires in the fall. Run them 2 years (max), throw them in the garbage. Big trucks eat tires.

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Originally Posted by flowing alpy

they’re good the first 2 seasons then go downhill fast imo

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Two winters is all I ever get out of tires. I put new on in the fall and replace them just before their third winter. Any tire sucks at 3-4/32.

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Originally Posted by 2FUNKY

Two winters is all I ever get out of tires. I put new on in the fall and replace them just before their third winter. Any tire sucks at 3-4/32.

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Yep, about $1K every other fall. Real trucks are expensive. But if you need one, what else can be done?

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Been pretty happy with the Cooper ST Maxx on my Tundra. Burly construction, 3-ply armortek sidewall. Siped the center 2/3 tread width in December last year but they're too blocky to grip well on packed snow. When new with sharp edges on all the tread blocks, they were ok on packed and outstanding in deeper snow. Not snowflake rated.

New tires this fall will probably be BFGs.

This will be my second season on duratracs. Best tire I've ever had for all season use. They kick ass on snow and are wearing really nice.

They are kicking ass on the wife's Xterra as well.

Yeah, those are also in the running. Prob come down to price.

The Falken AT3W is getting great reviews. Also has a silica compound that helps with wear and snow/ice traction. They can also be had reasonably priced. My BFG’s will need replaced next fall and I may look at them. Will be tough to move away from the BFG KO2 since it has outperformed many other tires mentioned here hands down.

I have a ‘16 Tundra, and put about 20k per year on it, with 8k of it towing. Not much off-road, but a fair bit of snow. Not a ton of ice. Would love a single tire to leave on all year. Any good options out there? (18 pages of this thread gets a little bit confusing trying to sift through all the recs).

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Originally Posted by 2FUNKY

The Falken AT3W is getting great reviews. Also has a silica compound that helps with wear and snow/ice traction. They can also be had reasonably priced. My BFG’s will need replaced next fall and I may look at them. Will be tough to move away from the BFG KO2 since it has outperformed many other tires mentioned here hands down.

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Im about 10,000 miles in on a set of AT3W’s. So far i am very impressed

@supermoon Michelin ltx ms2 if off road performance/look is unimportant to you.

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Originally Posted by teleee

Im about 10,000 miles in on a set of AT3W’s. So far i am very impressed

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Cool. Interested in a review after winter is over.