Who rows? (Concept2)

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Originally Posted by stalefish3169

Two PRs in a week! Really need to hone in on a perfect score!

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sick! I need to play, just can't get outta my routine. Maybe I'll try it later after my 5k.

And yea, I've followed a lot of the resistance numbers upthread .. I'm just always curious what other people are doing - cause I kinda just bought my rower and started rowing without a clue in the world. A while ago I put mine on 4 and just left it.

As general commentary, I'm fully drinking the rowing koolaid. Easy on my joints, and oddly easy to manage output to get what I want. As an acute measure, my skinning fitness has improved, and on the mat, my sparring partners have made a lot of comments that I'm way fitter (actually getting a lot of cardio taps!). I'm debating upping the resistance and 'sprinting' 5min rounds for tournament prep.

So with all that said, I don't actually enjoy rowing. Thank goodness for podcasts.

tried darts twice. Now that I know what this is and how it works? .. I'm blown away by your score. I over row, then under row, then over row and my darts fly all over the show. Pretty cool how it measures consistency by stroke length and pace though, I'll work this in - I bet it'll be valuable for consistency.

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Second try, I thought pacing down would be way easier to get a good score - but it's harder!
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Darts at a 29-30 stroke rate would be hard. Try 22-24 and focus on a consistent leg drive.

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Originally Posted by MiddleOfNight

tried darts twice. Now that I know what this is and how it works? .. I'm blown away by your score. I over row, then under row, then over row and my darts fly all over the show. Pretty cool how it measures consistency by stroke length and pace though, I'll work this in - I bet it'll be valuable for consistency.

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Second try, I thought pacing down would be way easier to get a good score - but it's harder!
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You'll get better quickly if you stick with it. Getting the start down was the hardest for me.

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Originally Posted by bad dancer

Oldest kid rowed in high school for a couple of months. They always tested the kids on the 2km times. The schools have "Beat the Beast" indoor rowing competition every year. As a stupid parent, I signed up for the parent dash. I threw up, and had a headache for about two hours after. Hardest thing I ever did. Ever since, it has always nagged at me. Yes, you are never fast enough, or good enough, your technique is never as good as it should be. Staring at that f&*king computer is shear hell but yet we still come back. I took out a month gym membership last winter. Rowed two times a week. This was my best 2km posting.
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/...r/IMG_0512.jpg

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Ok, i am going to play once again.
Pulled up my post from 10 years ago. Went to the gym today and pulled an 8 min 2 k without busting my lungs open. Did some more slower reps. Goal is to pull a sub 7. Im 53 now, have not exercised much the last year, drank way too much beer and now I have a dad bod. Fak !! Its going to be tough !!

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Originally Posted by bad dancer

Ok, i am going to play once again.
Pulled up my post from 10 years ago. Went to the gym today and pulled an 8 min 2 k without busting my lungs open. Did some more slower reps. Goal is to pull a sub 7. Im 53 now, have not exercised much the last year, drank way too much beer and now I have a dad bod. Fak !! Its going to be tough !!

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Hell yeah! You got this!

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Originally Posted by bad dancer

Pulled up my post from 10 years ago...

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Holy shit! Wow. Didn't really have an idea how long this has been going on. Funny reading the first post about overcoming health issues, it's been a fucking roller coaster I tells ya.

Was on the rower yesterday, I just do it as part of a varied routine now, and still row about as fast as I did in the OP. I'll take it.

BD my erg doesn't have Darts, I got nothing for ya, but good luck man. Keep on keepin on and I'll do the same.

I haven't tried darts since. Spirit, crushed.
I tried that fish game, and wasn't much better.

I guess they're just warm-ups, but .. 'just row'

btw dancer, 7 min 2k is sick. god speed.
keep us posted.

That fish game sucks. Either that or I don't know how to play it right. Could be either.

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Originally Posted by ötzi

That fish game sucks. Either that or I don't know how to play it right. Could be either.

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Yeah, fish game is lame.

And welcome back iceman!

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Originally Posted by ötzi

That fish game sucks. Either that or I don't know how to play it right. Could be either.

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Or both

Valid.

Or maybe I just suck.

Nahhh

Rowing sucks though

Some good stoke for everyone looking to harness their inner wolverine. Hugh explains how the rower is his desert island exercise and that 2k in 7 mins is the goal. Rowing part begins around 79 minutes in.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/6iu...urce=copy-link

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Originally Posted by ötzi

Or maybe I just suck.

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Well, yeah, but we still like you Iceman

awww

Pulled a 7:53 2k straight out of the gate on my first sit down tonight.
Then did 3 more 2ks with about a 5 min rest in between. Averaged about 8 min
My last one was pretty slow cool down with a 1:42/split power sprint sustained 500 metres until the end.
Really need to just put in more distance !

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Originally Posted by bad dancer

Pulled a 7:53 2k straight out of the gate on my first sit down tonight.
Then did 3 more 2ks with about a 5 min rest in between. Averaged about 8 min
My last one was pretty slow cool down with a 1:42/split power sprint sustained 500 metres until the end.
Really need to just put in more distance !

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That's pretty solid for claiming you have a dad bod!

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Originally Posted by bad dancer

Pulled a 7:53 2k straight out of the gate on my first sit down tonight.
Then did 3 more 2ks with about a 5 min rest in between. Averaged about 8 min
My last one was pretty slow cool down with a 1:42/split power sprint sustained 500 metres until the end.
Really need to just put in more distance !

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I am right with you. Best is just sub 8, but worst lately is like 8:05. I can't pace myself any slower. It feels unnatural, if that makes sense. I guess that is a good thing as I try to push towards the 7 min. mark.

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Originally Posted by warthog

I am right with you. Best is just sub 8, but worst lately is like 8:05. I can't pace myself any slower. It feels unnatural, if that makes sense. I guess that is a good thing as I try to push towards the 7 min. mark.

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Interesting. I feel comfortable at a 2:10 split and its feels natural. My strength has always been in a sprint. I use to be able to pull a 1:30 for about 3 to 4 hundred meters but just didn't have the discipline to carry that over for any longer periods. So for now, I basically pull about a 2:05-2:10 for the first 1500 and then gas myself to come in under 8 minutes. I will need to change my strategy if I want to get to 7 min. Ugghhhhh !!!

Oh and I usually set my drag to 5.5 to 6

I am at a 4, and I think I am typically at a 2:02 if I am fairly relaxed but not killing myself. Then I throw in the random 1:55 500 and kill myself for the rest of the ride. Not sure where the sweet spot is. Guess I will try them all. It is my favorite thing at the gym, and usually empty.

Update. After a few days off the beast, I sat down and did 8x500 with 30 sec rest. tried to keep my 500 at 1.55 split for the 8 sessions. Was succesful. Took a breather for a few minutes and this is what resulted. Was absulutly fucked at the last 500 and had to stop for a bit. Continued on after about a 7-10 sec rest. This is the result. Pretty please with myself. Was gassed, and weezing and didnt even have the energy to undue my straps. Fak, I hate this machine. Attachment 411001

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Originally Posted by bad dancer

Was gassed, and weezing and didnt even have the energy to undue my straps. Attachment 411001

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Seems about right. Lol

Nice work!


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Okay, I’m in on the 7 minute 2k goal. I hopped back on today after taking the winter off and pulled this, without feeling like I was going to die. I feel like knocking off the last 30 seconds to get to 7 minutes is going to be the big suck.

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Originally Posted by bad dancer

Ok, i am going to play once again.
Pulled up my post from 10 years ago. Went to the gym today and pulled an 8 min 2 k without busting my lungs open. Did some more slower reps. Goal is to pull a sub 7. Im 53 now, have not exercised much the last year, drank way too much beer and now I have a dad bod. Fak !! Its going to be tough !!

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This was my inspiration post. I’m 47 so I have the advantage here!


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Originally Posted by The AD

Tried a 2K time trial for my second row. 7:05 (1:45 pace per 500). I probably started out a little too hot, but I don't think I died too bad. Definitely challenging!

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I haven't been rowing but I felt inspired today after the recent posts and fired off a 7:04. Just looked back to see this. I guess I'm Mr. Consistency. Heart rate averaged close to 170.

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Originally Posted by The AD

I haven't been rowing but I felt inspired today after the recent posts and fired off a 7:04. Just looked back to see this. I guess I'm Mr. Consistency. Heart rate averaged close to 170.

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Not to take anything away from you, but you're on a water rower tho, not concept 2 correct? I don't think the times are all that comparable.



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Kind of tweaked my back this week and have been digging on the shovel at work for a couple of days. Good to see some mags on the beast and posting goals, and times. Zion, a 7 min 2k is a good push for sure. I am right there with you !! Lets do this !! I will be back on the machine in a day or so. Its all about putting in the base time for me.

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

Okay, I’m in on the 7 minute 2k goal. I hopped back on today after taking the winter off and pulled this, without feeling like I was going to die. I feel like knocking off the last 30 seconds to get to 7 minutes is going to be the big suck.

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Solid.

Do you guys know if drag setting effects split time? eg, all other things being equal, does 28 s/m at a drag of 6 equal a faster time than if the drag was at a 3? Is the machine that smart?

Maybe my stroke is shorter than you's guys but my 28 s/m doesn't equal the same splits. I'm usually at drag of 4, but have tried 5 and 6 and didn't really notice a difference in splits.
I'm game for a 7 min goal - but god, that's way out there for me, I'm hovering at 8:00.

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Originally Posted by stalefish3169

Not to take anything away from you, but you're on a water rower tho, not concept 2 correct? I don't think the times are all that comparable.

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Yes, but I think they're actually pretty close. I stayed somewhere with a Concept 2 a few months ago and my 500 pace was nearly identical to what I did at home. At least I know it's not way off although I'm sure the two aren't exactly the same.

ok, so to make my point ...
30 s/m = a slower pace.

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On the plus side, I upped the resistance on darts and hit 9240, so that was .. a nice warm up.

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Originally Posted by The AD

Yes, but I think they're actually pretty close. I stayed somewhere with a Concept 2 a few months ago and my 500 pace was nearly identical to what I did at home. At least I know it's not way off although I'm sure the two aren't exactly the same.

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Just don't want everyone to get discouraged by guy saying he hasn't rowed in a while who just casually pulled a 7:04. ;)

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Originally Posted by stalefish3169

Just don't want everyone to get discouraged by guy saying he hasn't rowed in a while who just casually pulled a 7:04. ;)

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To be fair the last couple minutes did NOT feel casual! :FIREdevil

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Originally Posted by MiddleOfNight

Solid.

Do you guys know if drag setting effects split time? eg, all other things being equal, does 28 s/m at a drag of 6 equal a faster time than if the drag was at a 3? Is the machine that smart?

Maybe my stroke is shorter than you's guys but my 28 s/m doesn't equal the same splits. I'm usually at drag of 4, but have tried 5 and 6 and didn't really notice a difference in splits.
I'm game for a 7 min goal - but god, that's way out there for me, I'm hovering at 8:00.

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I’m not sure how drag setting effects times. I’ve had mine set at 5 and a half, cause you know, slightly more than halfway.

I would think stroke length definitely plays a role. I’m 6ft tall and my abs get worked from leaning back and pulling to my shoulders. I need to watch some videos of how the pros do it to learn technique.

The C2 measures power and converts that to the time/distance pace.
In theory the drag setting doesn't affect the pace because you can put out the same power regardless of the resistance - it just feels different. A higher resistance will require more force at a slower stroke rate. For the same power, the lower resistance will require less force at a higher stroke rate.

The conversion between power and time/500 pace is inversely proportional to power^3, so yes it's very difficult to drop from 8 min to 7 min. 12.5% faster time requires 49% more average power. And power is force*stroke rate, so either pull 49% faster while maintaining the same force per stroke, or pull each stroke with 49% more force. Or some combination thereof... Not easy.

I'd love to hit 7 min too but back issues these days keeps me away from the rower for the most part.

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Originally Posted by The AD

To be fair the last couple minutes did NOT feel casual! :FIREdevil

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My 2ks are in the 7:15 range on the C2. Afterward I can barely stand and lean over the sink with drool coming out of my mouth. Lol

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Just rowed a fairly casual 8:20. I am in the hunt for the 7 min 2k as well.

Just figuring out the base today. Half baked stride at about 25-28 strokes/min gets me 8:20 on a 4 resistance.

FWIW, here is a bit about comparison between water rowers and C2.

tl;dr water rower times are much faster

https://www.reddit.com/r/orangetheor...m_source=share

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Originally Posted by bfree

The conversion between power and time/500 pace is inversely proportional to power^3, so yes it's very difficult to drop from 8 min to 7 min. 12.5% faster time requires 49% more average power. And power is force*stroke rate, so either pull 49% faster while maintaining the same force per stroke, or pull each stroke with 49% more force. Or some combination thereof... Not easy.

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I wish you hadn't put the math to it! Now I've got the mental block.

I'm in for the 7min 2K challenge. Best ever was a 6:35 10 years ago. Last year I was able to do a 7:06 and thought that I would die. Need to get back to being consistent again.