Do Mormons really affect you?

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04-03-2006, 02:53 PM
Lurch

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Originally Posted by Cyber Cop

In the end I could care less what you believe, but even the stuff outlined here sounds a little nutz to some of us. pre-columbion visit by christ after ressurection, yeah I'll take that on faith, doesn't sound crazy at all. But lurches story, now that's hard to believe.

It's negative therefore instantly untrue. :)
04-03-2006, 02:54 PM
Cyber Cop

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Originally Posted by Viva

So, I Googles "Mormon girls" with the hope of finding something Mormon that might really AFFECT me and found this:

http://www.wildutah.net/2-12-02/htmldocs/Mormon.htm

Fucking hilarious. Hey endlessdumbass, maybe this is how those crazy rumors get out.
04-03-2006, 02:55 PM
Cyber Cop

For the record I have never believed in anything but the truth.
04-03-2006, 02:58 PM
Schmear

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Originally Posted by Cyber Cop

For the record I have never believed in anything but truth.

Too bad. I hear he's a White Sox fan.
04-03-2006, 03:00 PM
Cyber Cop

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Originally Posted by Schmear

Too bad. I hear he's a White Sox fan.

That's why people say things like...

truth is a bitch.... and truth hurts.:cussing:
04-03-2006, 03:01 PM
The AD

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Originally Posted by Cyber Cop

In the end I could care less what you believe, but even the stuff outlined here sounds a little nutz to some of us.

The existence of a supreme being of any ilk sounds nuts to some of us.
04-03-2006, 03:02 PM
Blurred

Why do people need the church to interpret the bible for them? Reading it is like reading an Obernard post. It's vague, ii's a run on metaphor, and could mean just about anything you want it to. Funny how the church interprets it in a way to benefit itself. Sheep indeed.
04-03-2006, 03:02 PM
Endlessseason

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Originally Posted by Cyber Cop

.........maybe this is how those crazy rumors get out.
http://www.wildutah.net/2-12-02/htmldocs/Mormon.htm

I just read it. Yeah, that's the kind of stuff that wholly proves my point. Thanks, CyberCop. And, what's with the instant regression to name calling? Are you seriously that immature? What are you, 12?
04-03-2006, 03:03 PM
Magnoe

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Originally Posted by Hunterski

We are in fact christians! ALthough the major evangelical associations do not accept the church or recognize mormons as true christians. We have in fact been excluded from formal participation in the national day of prayer

I just got my hair cut last week by a gal who grew up in a mormon community that practiced polygamy. Her dad has 3 wives, etc... It was an interesting discussion because she is now an evangelical Christian and we discussed the whole thing about Mormons being included in the term "Christian". She said she does not include them because Jesus Christ is a different "Jesus Christ" from the protestant perspective. It's semantics kind of. From my personal opinion, young mormons in their faith view Christ very similar to that of a protestant. It's when they go deeper into the faith where Christ starts to take a different place.

I'm basing this off of a lecturer I heard who used to be one of the highest priests (or was it bishop?). Anyway, he was one of the most powerful persons in the LDS church and broke away (had his life threatened, so he said) and became an evangelical christian. He's a very knowledgable speaker (his profession) on Islam, hindu, Christianity and Mormonism. But he primarily focused on mormonism. It was very interesting to observe him after a 3 hour seminar. There was a group of about 6 young mormon missionaries obviously disturbed and argued with him for the longest time (which I would have done had I been in their shoes. I'm not Mormon but It's disturbing to have someone tear apart your belief system). The problem was, he has forgotten more about mormonism than those kids will ever know. I felt bad for the kids and wanted to tell them to just let it go. There were in a battle of wits without weapons.

What was my point? I don't remember. Oh, yeah. Jesus Christ is not the same person as viewed by Catholics/protestants and thus those groups do not include them in the census of "christians".
04-03-2006, 03:04 PM
skiski

To throw in a random question for the mormons here:

Didn't Joseph Smith actually drink alchohol? But then he wrote something that said "beware of strong drink" and people took it to mean "don't drink at all" rather than just "careful with that shit", which was more likely his meaning?
04-03-2006, 03:05 PM
Blurred

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Originally Posted by skiski

To throw in a random question for the mormons here:

Didn't Joseph Smith actually drink alchohol? But then he wrote something that said "beware of strong drink" and people took it to mean "don't drink at all" rather than just "careful with that shit", which was more likely his meaning?

It's ok. They drink wine in the bible, but Mormons aren't suppose to. Something to do with escaping oppression or something.
04-03-2006, 03:05 PM
Cyber Cop

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Originally Posted by The AD

The existence of a supreme being of any ilk sounds nuts to some of us.

As much as I doubt the existence of a supreme being I really want someone to blame for all this shit.... so I'm still on the fence with this one.
04-03-2006, 03:06 PM
rideit

http://www.pro-war.com/prowardotcom/...rmon-thumb.jpg
04-03-2006, 03:07 PM
powstash

this thread has taken off faster than the Hospital Air thread. I thought it would be years before that thread's acceleration record would be repeated.

And just to think this is a ski message board.:rolleyes:

And Schmear, when are you gonna announce the next theme? I've got a good story brewing.
04-03-2006, 03:07 PM
Blurred

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Originally Posted by rideit

http://www.pro-war.com/prowardotcom/...rmon-thumb.jpg

Dude? WHAT THE FUCK?!! I clicked on enter like a million fucking times!!! WHY DOESN'T IT WORK!!!???? FACKKK!!!
04-03-2006, 03:08 PM
Cyber Cop

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Originally Posted by Endlessseason

I just read it. Yeah, that's the kind of stuff that wholly proves my point. Thanks, CyberCop. And, what's with the instant regression to name calling? Are you seriously that immature? What are you, 12?

12 no, immature yes.

Seriously, it's tgr, it's part of the culture. Nothin personal, i still love ya you fucking ball licking dipshit.:biggrin:
04-03-2006, 03:10 PM
Schmear

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Originally Posted by Cyber Cop

i still love ya you fucking ball licking dipshit.:biggrin:

That's like the maggot version of a cyber noogie.
04-03-2006, 03:11 PM
Schmear

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Originally Posted by powstash

And Schmear, when are you gonna announce the next theme? I've got a good story brewing.

Well I was thinking it was gonna be Banana Milk, but now that's taken.
04-03-2006, 03:13 PM
smolakian

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Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

Dude? WHAT THE FUCK?!! I clicked on enter like a million fucking times!!! WHY DOESN'T IT WORK!!!???? FACKKK!!!

Way to Go dude. Now the LDS church has your IP address. DON'T ANSWER THE DOOR!!
04-03-2006, 03:17 PM
BakerBoy

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Originally Posted by Schmear

Well I was thinking it was gonna be Banana Milk, but now that's taken.

Let's talk about lesbians and the vehicles they drive and the music they listen to.
04-03-2006, 03:18 PM
Schmear

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Originally Posted by Magnoe

Jesus Christ is not the same person as viewed by Catholics/protestants and thus those groups do not include them in the census of "christians".

Yep. At issue is the the nature/person of Jesus. Catholics and protestants view Jesus as God's eternal and only begotten son. As I understand it, Mormons believe Jesus is the first and highest ranking of many sons of God and his spiritual wife. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that last part.)
04-03-2006, 03:20 PM
Viva

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Originally Posted by grizzle6

No close mindedness here. It's just that nothing I said really goes against what you said--so there's really no need to continue the debate. I based my statements on the Bible from the version that I read (KJ version), and know that there are many parts that have been lost. I didn't say there wasn't necessarily a more accurate version out there.

Okay, but you did refer to "the Bible", not a particular version and then further implied that The Book of Mormon necessarily complements the Bible and even offers clarification on some of the major tenets of the Christian faith. Look at what you wrote:

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Originally Posted by grizzle6

"Just as the Bible is a collection of writings from prophets in the Mediterranean, the Book of Mormon is a collection of writings from prophets in the Americas. ...One of the differences is that the Bible has gone through several translations, losing some information and detail by the hand of man in the process. The Book of Mormon clarifies some of these areas i.e. pre-existence, purpose of life, where we go when we die--among other things. It is a book centered around Jesus Christ and his mission."

To me, this comes across as a subtle form proselytizing (i.e., you have something that the rest of us lack) on your part, be it the case or not, although it would be pretty funny considering some of the posts in this thread. Your response struck me as snooty.

Just as you've suggested that we consider the Book of Mormon, I invite you to examine the earliest works of Christainity. It's quite facinating.
04-03-2006, 03:23 PM
Cyber Cop

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Originally Posted by BakerBoy

Let's talk about lesbians and the vehicles they drive and the music they listen to.

subarus and the indigo girls, just like hippie granolas.
04-03-2006, 03:24 PM
Viva

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Originally Posted by Cyber Cop

subarus and the indigo girls, just like hippie granolas.

Don't forget Melissa Ethylridge..Ethel...whatever...
04-03-2006, 03:28 PM
Endlessseason

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Originally Posted by Schmear

Yep. At issue is the the nature/person of Jesus. Catholics and protestants view Jesus as God's eternal and only begotten son. As I understand it, Mormons believe Jesus is the first and highest ranking of many sons of God and his spiritual wife. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that last part.)

I did have a moment to get our official belief on this for you, Schmear:

"Ancient and modern scriptures use the title Only Begotten to emphasize the divine nature of Jesus Christ. Latter-day Saints recognize Jesus as literally the Only Begotten Son of God the Father in the flesh (John 3:16; D&C 93:11; Moses 6:52). This title signifies that Jesus' physical body was the offspring of a mortal mother and of the eternal Father (Luke 1:35, 1 Ne. 11:18). It is LDS doctrine that Jesus Christ is the child of mary and God the Father, 'not in violation of natural law but in accordance with a higher manifestation thereof' (JC, p. 81). (See Virgin Birth)"

"The fact of Jesus' being the literal Son of God in the flesh is crucial to the Atonement, which could not have been accomplished by an ordinary man. Because of the Fall of Adam, all mankind are subject to physical death and are shut out from the presence of God. The human family is unable to save itself. Divine law required the sacrifice of a sinless, infinite, and eternal being—a God—someone not dominated by the Fall, to redeem mankind from their lost and fallen condition (Alma 34:9-14; cf. 42:15). This price of redemption was more than any mortal person could pay, and included the spiritual sufferings and physical agony in Gethsemane (Luke 22:44; Mosiah 3:7; D&C 19:18). To complete the Atonement by physical death and resurrection, it was necessary that Jesus be able to lay down his physical body and also be able to take it up again. He could do this only because he had life in himself, which he inherited from God his Father (John 5:26; 10:17-18). Christ inherited the ability to die from his mortal mother and the power to resurrect himself from his immortal Father. Dying was for him a voluntary, deliberate act for mankind, made possible only because he was the Only Begotten of the Father (D&C 20:18-26)."

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