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Interesting. I'm old school and always liked a big 208 stiff gs ski in my JH days, so maybe it's me. My kid has the shorter version BC's and we talked about swapping to give them a try. I'm going to need to do that. Also, the mounting point, like you mentioned, could or would? make a big difference. I don't ski switch (although teaching my boys to ski years ago I could link endless turns switch...at 5mph [emoji16]), so mounting back made the most sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRainey
Yeah, try out the smaller ones and report back.
I'm a snowflake about camber, which is why we broke up 15 years ago. The 184 to me are like, "What camber?".
I grew up paramarking (free heel, no tele; a hereditary disorder), and you probably blew past my dorky ass on your 208s. But I got good fore aft balance from it and I don't like skis that don't like me use it.
If I think of my storm day skiing, then mount point would help the problem. If I think about blasting off quicksand windlips, then only a softer flex or higher rocker will fix the problem.
haven't read the older pages in the thread but have you ever owned/tried the older heavier version of the 184?
if you haven't that would be the perfect ski for the usage you have in mind
I thought about trying the Reckoner, also.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowMachine
So many skis, so little time.
That pretty much says it all. I say the same about mtn bikes. If I was good enough I'd say the same about surfing also. Speaking of which, check out Stab In the Dark. Pros on generic labeled boards comparing them. They know some of the shapers by the style, but not all. Someone should do it with skis also.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowMachine
So, I've been really enjoying more progressive, playful soft snow/powder skis this past season (shocker!). Now I'm thinking about picking up a 192 Bentchetler 120 for those perfect mornings skiing fresh pow in the Cascades. Am I totally wrong that this ski could be viable in the PNW? Too light? Help talk me in (or out) of a pair.
I have one. It is only good on this perfect mornings with perfect powder. Than it is unreal fun beyond words.
On all other snow conditions it is too light, too wide and too playful.
Should you buy one?
Yes.
You will remember every day on that Ski
Owned a pair - they were great in untracked (Japan, touring, mounted with ATk fr14), but I ended up selling as they weren’t enough ski for PNW inbounds in my opinion. HL FR110/120 have both been great in that inbounds playful soft/deep snow ski role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
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Originally Posted by obi wan kenobi
I have one and the days on them are special but rare in the last years. They are working best in untracked powder where you can charge, surf, slarve, jump, carve, whatever, the shit out of them. Decent performance on the piste as well as long as it’s not too hard and icy.
The 192 are pretty light but have a nice backbone and are by no means noodles. Legs don’t get tired after a long powder day, though.
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Originally Posted by Bandit Man
This made me smile banditman.
Now you just need a bunch of rockered skis in your quiver, and the transformation will be complete.
KC
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Jeffery 118 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Or maybe the new 124
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That’s exactly where my head is at. I want that playful ski for those special days.Quote:
Originally Posted by obi wan kenobi
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I’ve been skiing more of those kinds of skis this past year. I’ve been enjoying putting a bit more finesse and fun into my skiing versus full throttle on metal laminate skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
I suppose anyone can change and evolve. [emoji6]
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So, the Jeff 118 is kind of the fall back. I bought some 191 Jeff 110’s from the Factory Finds, so maybe I just get a 118? It’s really not a terrible suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeachesNCream
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If you’re into progressive-mounted-playful-skis-with-a-backbone, it’s the best (imo of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
FR110 (and probably fr120) is a little more business and noteably looser, although I’m comparing the jeff116, and the 118 has less camber and is looser. And fr120 is supposedly stiffer.
Reckoner series is also really really fun.
Man there’s a lot of good skis in this category.
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A long time ago, I was musing about a Bent 120 shape with a heavier build for inbounds soft snow skiing. Like, a BC120 with a Rossi Black Ops 118 construction.
Anyone find that ski? I got an eBay pair of used 184cm Salomon Rocker2s for less than $200, hoping they will be close. Shape and rocker profile is quite similar to the BC120, but they weigh about 2270gm each. So closer to the 186cm BO (2450gms) than the 184cm BC 120s (1780gms).
I have HL FR120 ST's coming. I'll, let you know how it stacks up. I skied and toured on the BC120 for a few years. Super fun ski, but a bit light for inbounds use. I'm hoping the HL's will share some floaty, loose fun, but with more damping and backbone.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGamms
Can confirm this is the case!Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowMachine
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Damn, I had the same thoughts about the bc120s. Talked myself in circles and ended up getting line vision 118s but they're just as light weight [emoji51] looks like I gotta jump on the HL waitlist...
Heritage Labs!!! For the win.
Love their stuff.Attachment 505581
Gonna try this for a bit first…
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I've been over in the Moment thread talking myself in circles over which tour ski to buy. The Vision 108 is high on my list, also.Quote:
Originally Posted by eSock
I can't wait to get on the HL FR120ST. They would have been a blast today.