Intuition liners

PNWBrit, i just got some of the full tilt branded intuitions. not sure of the intuition model, i had wanted the power wrap plugs to make some room in my boots, but through some miscommunications i ended up with the full tilt ones. they're pretty squishy and not super stiff. but i put them in some dynafit titans, so probably stiff enough for the boots.

i asked the bootfitter if i should mold them with or without footbeds. he thought i should use the ones i have (just some superfeet). i went with it, but when i skied the boots, it felt like i couldnt get my heel deep enough in the pocket and i felt like i was skiing on my toes.

i re-cooked them again that night without the footbeds and the fit is much better. so i guess if you have a low volume fit and need to fill space, use them. if you're like me and need to make space, dont use them.

I'm trying to decide between Palau Alpine Air Breath and Intuition Luxury liners for my BD Factors. I currently have to tighten the upper buckles a bit much to get good performance out of the boots and this in turn causes circulation problems / numb feet after a while. And in general the stock liner feels cold and .. well, rather shitty.

Anyone have any experience on the newer Palau liners? Couldn't really find much with search. They'd cost me a little less than the Intuitions, with me being located in Europe and all. The difference in price is not huge, though.

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Originally Posted by DarkFiz

Anyone have any experience on the newer Palau liners? Couldn't really find much with search. They'd cost me a little less than the Intuitions, with me being located in Europe and all. The difference in price is not huge, though.

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I dont know how much palau has changed since last year?

Had some of their wraparounds and not too impressed.Intuitions are better.
In,short,the palaus were too mushy,too soft. The started to pack out quick,and the materiel was "heat sensetive" that on warm spring days, the liner felt it turned to porridge...

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Originally Posted by DarkFiz

I'm trying to decide between Palau Alpine Air Breath and Intuition Luxury liners for my BD Factors. I currently have to tighten the upper buckles a bit much to get good performance out of the boots and this in turn causes circulation problems / numb feet after a while. And in general the stock liner feels cold and .. well, rather shitty.

Anyone have any experience on the newer Palau liners? Couldn't really find much with search. They'd cost me a little less than the Intuitions, with me being located in Europe and all. The difference in price is not huge, though.

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I went with the Powerwrap Plug and couldn't be happier. I find the cuff height of the Plug liners a little low for my alpine boots, but for a touring boot they seem perfect.

Has anyone use the Powerwrap, Powerwrap Plug, and HD Race liners? I just scored a pair of Head RD 96 plug boots. I test fit some old Powerwrap Plugs, and Powerwraps into the shells. The Powerwrap Plugs seem like they would work once baked for the boot volume wise, but the cuff height is too low so the powerstrap doesn't have enough material to sit on. The Powerwraps seemed too high volume but the cuff height was perfect. Wondering how the HD Race liner compares to the Powerwrap as far as cuff height is concerned? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Meathelmet

In,short,the palaus were too mushy,too soft. The started to pack out quick,and the materiel was "heat sensetive" that on warm spring days, the liner felt it turned to porridge...

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I had the same impression of some Palau tongue liners from around 2008, that came with my Garmont Axon boots.

Powerwrap plugs from last season and this season are much much taller. Mine are ridiculously high.

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Originally Posted by Wild4umlauts

Powerwrap plugs from last season and this season are much much taller. Mine are ridiculously high.

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Hmm, I got mine last season and they are a couple inches shorter then the powerwraps I purchased this season. Maybe they were old stock. Crystal is going to measure all the liners for me, Intuition CS is rad!!!!!

Here's a shot of the height of my Powerwrap Plugs (note that the Booster Strap is half way across the outer tongue and the liner):

http://i.imgur.com/KMzL1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Wild4umlauts

Here's a shot of the height of my Powerwrap Plugs (note that the Booster Strap is half way across the outer tongue and the liner):

http://i.imgur.com/KMzL1.jpg

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Wow, those are tall indeed. If that's the cast the Plugs will be perfect for my new boots, maybe even a little too much cuff height.

I'll confirm that you should have no trouble with this years Plug being too short. I have them in some Garmont Shamans which has a pretty tall cuff and the liners are plenty high enough. Because this liner is so stiff I also think a lower height liner would give some serious shin bang.

One thing I noticed is Intuitions are a bit like shrinky dinks. I overcooked a friends liner once in the oven and that liner lost about almost 1/2 inch in height relative to the correctly cooked one. I recooked the taller one and they were pretty close to the same height when done. Also on cooking the Plug...since its low volume, you have to be quick when molding it as it cools down much faster than the regular Pwrap.

And maybe I have skinnier ankles than I thought but I wish the Plug had more volume in the ankle and in the cuff. I think I may have to pad that area up a bit. Unless you 100% need the stiffness and the low volume of the Plug, I think the regular P-wrap holds down the ankle and heel better--at least w/out modification. It's also warmer.

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Originally Posted by Kim Jong-un

I'll confirm that you should have no trouble with this years Plug being too short. I have them in some Garmont Shamans which has a pretty tall cuff and the liners are plenty high enough. Because this liner is so stiff I also think a lower height liner would give some serious shin bang.

Good point - I love the extra height of the Powerwrap Plug as it really distributes the forward load across almost your entire shin.

One thing I noticed is Intuitions are a bit like shrinky dinks. I overcooked a friends liner once in the oven and that liner lost about almost 1/2 inch in height relative to the correctly cooked one. I recooked the taller one and they were pretty close to the same height when done. Also on cooking the Plug...since its low volume, you have to be quick when molding it as it cools down much faster than the regular Pwrap.

Absolutely - shrinky dink - just pick one:
1. Too many times heated
2. Heated too hot
3. Heated too long

Any of those result in the foam getting really dense and shrinking significantly. It can still be stretched , but lots of volume is lost.

And maybe I have skinnier ankles than I thought but I wish the Plug had more volume in the ankle and in the cuff. I think I may have to pad that area up a bit. Unless you 100% need the stiffness and the low volume of the Plug, I think the regular P-wrap holds down the ankle and heel better--at least w/out modification. It's also warmer.

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It's a plug fit everywhere so don't expect the plug to be taking up any significant room. You need a tight shell fit to really take advantage of it. I dropped down a shell size by going to the plug liner. So now my boots are much more responsive with less liner (and a stiffer liner also).

What is the shelf life on liners in terms of days. Obviously everyone packs out a little differently (Are you in a big liner or a smaller one), but I'm at 175 days, maybe more, 3+ bakes, and my foot (not my ankle or heel) is starting to swim... i'm in a small shell fit ( 2-5 mm) so length is fine, but width, is starting to feel loosey goosey..

Just wondering if now is the time to replace them with new, or perhaps at 250 days (ish)....

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Wow, those are tall indeed. If that's the cast the Plugs will be perfect for my new boots, maybe even a little too much cuff height.

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Here is little trick that might help someone out: I also have flexons, booster straps and powerwrap liners. I was feeling over-flexed and needed a way to make my boots feel more "upright" and more responsive. I just put the booster strap behind the top of the flexon tongue and tighten it before the boot buckles. I have a much more responsive feel now and a better fit around the cuff. This is potentially useful if you have a skinny lower leg and/or a long tibia. I know that some people run boosters directly on the liner but I hadn't thought of putting it behind the tongue until a boot fitter recommended it.

Thanks for the info on Palau, guys. Just pulled the trigger on medium volume Luxury liners as per Crystal's advice. Let's see how they work out!

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Originally Posted by Dromond

Here is little trick that might help someone out: I also have flexons, booster straps and powerwrap liners. I was feeling over-flexed and needed a way to make my boots feel more "upright" and more responsive. I just put the booster strap behind the top of the flexon tongue and tighten it before the boot buckles. I have a much more responsive feel now and a better fit around the cuff. This is potentially useful if you have a skinny lower leg and/or a long tibia. I know that some people run boosters directly on the liner but I hadn't thought of putting it behind the tongue until a boot fitter recommended it.

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Much simpler and more effective (IMO) to remove the rear spoiler and any forward lean shims. Yes you certainly can run a Booster like that on a Flexon design, BUT you're giving up a lot because the Flexon design does not work like a traditional 2-piece boot that has the boot spine "fixed" by bolt(s) attached between the lower and the upper. The Flexon design has its forward flex controlled by the tongue and as such really needs to have the Booster across some portion of the outer tongue.

This is a thread about Intuition liners so I'm not going to go on about this, but if you're interested in more info you can check out my [ame="http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206647"]Booster modification post[/ame] for more info.

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Originally Posted by Wild4umlauts

Much simpler and more effective (IMO) to remove the rear spoiler and any forward lean shims. Yes you certainly can run a Booster like that on a Flexon design, BUT you're giving up a lot because the Flexon design does not work like a traditional 2-piece boot that has the boot spine "fixed" by bolt(s) attached between the lower and the upper. The Flexon design has its forward flex controlled by the tongue and as such really needs to have the Booster across some portion of the outer tongue.

This is a thread about Intuition liners so I'm not going to go on about this, but if you're interested in more info you can check out my Booster modification post for more info.

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Cool booster mod. I actually run no forward lean shims or spoiler, and I riveted my cuff to my boot shell to stiffen the whole thing up a bit which makes having the strap under the tongue really do something.

back to liner talk

I just wanted to say that after 4 days now in a set of Power Wraps, that I am the happiest I've been skiing in a long time. They have totally solved my heel spur pain and I am skiing litterly 30% better, faster, bigger, 50% longer with no pain whatsoever, not even thinking about my feet. I put them in an Impact 10 shell, and they allow a perfect progressive flex. So, so, stoked. I can even ski the chunder again. Best single step in performance upgrade ever for me. Now I see how everyone skiing them seems so effortlessly smooth, I'll never go without them again.

Tried the no foot bed route.

Didn't like the result. Too much squish underfoot for my taste when skiing them, although felt good in the kitchen.

Is there any version of the liners that is thick around the ankle (and maybe forefoot) but with a thinner sole? I need to lock in my skinny ankles and narrow little feet, but with a foot bed my giant arch tends to get crushed. Without the foot bed, even the thick sole isn't sufficient to fill in the space under aforementioned giant arch and I lose too much control.

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Is there any version of the liners that is thick around the ankle (and maybe forefoot) but with a thinner sole? I need to lock in my skinny ankles and narrow little feet, but with a foot bed my giant arch tends to get crushed. Without the foot bed, even the thick sole isn't sufficient to fill in the space under aforementioned giant arch and I lose too much control.

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I think low-volume Luxuries might work.

But try calling Intuition.

I was advised by crystal to buy a 28 Powerwrap for my 26 shell Lange Banshee. Anyone else also encounter this sizing difference when grabbing Powerwraps for an agressive fit?

I am almost always a size up in liner than shell size. I have a small aggressively fit shell as well. I don't know what is up with intuitions sizing but that's what seems to work the best. Because my shell is so small I usually end up stretching the toe area of the liner a bit as well.

Seems to depend on the shell. For my Garmont MegaRides, she recommended one full mondo up for the liner, for my Zzeus, she said to match the size.

When I put Pro Tours in my TLT5s (an AT boot designed for a very tight shell fit with original liners that are thinner than most, as well as a very short BSL for a given shell size), Cosmo (one of the best bootfitters in Tahoe) reccomended a liner size one smaller than my shell size (27.0 shell, 26.0 liner). After two bakes (the first time they were too tight) and 10 days to break in, I am very pleased with the comfort and performance.