If only there was something we could do...

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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

We know, you’ve bragged about it more than once

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Originally Posted by sirbumpsalot

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Got a link for a real data set or filtering? Cute your data so people can get them if you want to be believed.

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Originally Posted by schuss

Got a link for a real data set or filtering? Cute your data so people can get them if you want to be believed.

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A quick google search shows a homicide rate of 1.6 per 100k in Finland so I’m calling bullshit on racist piece of shit poster’s graph


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Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker

Looks like a great source you got there. Shockingly, it is not accurate, it looks like firearm related homicides for white people were 7.5 per 100k in 2019 per the cdc, not from a dumbass chart from mostly suspended users on reddit and twitter.

It's also using TOTAL DEATHS including suicides in the other countries and only homicides in the usa. If we added accidental and suicides to the USA numbers the USA would be off the charts in every category. Finland, for instance, for gun homicide averages 0.2% per 100k.

But even if it was true, you could look in the face of mass shootings in schools and 30k suicides a year and say there is no problem, because the rates are in line with other countries for white people? Your racism isn't just showing, you are flaunting it.

You should be fucking ashamed passing off these lies. They might hold up under the light of torches at your Klan rally, but not under the light of day.



Hunting, fishing, look, a drag queen and some kids!

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I clicked on your link...looks like ~2 per 100K white males, ~35 per 100k black males, ~7 per 100K Hispanic Males

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Also from CDC Site (https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/firea...s/index.html):

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Of course I could be spreading lies and misinformation....from YOUR source....the CDC!

I am not going to get bogged down in the details of your chart by race.

It is comparing firearm homicides in the usa with all firearm issues in other countries. it is .2 in finland and 0.12 in france for homicides (perr 100k).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

the shades of blue are hard to read but the numbers don't correlate with your chart where the details are given without a source and seem made up.

presenting any evidence of the gun violence rates segregated by race as if this gun issue doesn't affect all of us (suicides, violent crime, mass murder) means you are fucking racist dumbfuck moron.

Sorry that you posted that link now aren't you....

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Originally Posted by Flounder

Real retired Tier 1 operators don’t whore themselves out to a bunch of fat larping rednecks. You’re getting some tool like Dan Bilzerian. Asshat Navy vet with zero combat experience, 2 time flunky in Seal training but he lives the life style and lets people think he was an actual navy seal.

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But hey, I’m sure they’ll have some awesome stories to keep you hard all afternoon.

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Bobby would hire Eddie Gallagher.

anyways, back to derpsalot going 4chan klan from Oregon burbs

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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

Why no registry?


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So the government has to access credit card sales records for bulk online ammo orders rather than their own paperwork to track down gun hoarders?

Whether a legit concern or not, the fear that registering today will allow the government to confiscate weapons in the future is seared into the consciousness of a non-trivial portion of the population. Maybe the original Red Dawn had something to do with it, dunno, but it's very much a hard line for some people and a lot of politicians.

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Originally Posted by sirbumpsalot

Sorry that you posted that link now aren't you....

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Not really, minorities are more affected by our shitty gun laws. Are you happy about that? Does that make it ok that a bunch of kids got shot up in a school or a lot of people will stick a handgun in their mouths and pull the trigger?

Are you sorry you posted a chart where every column is demonstrably false?

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Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker

Not really, minorities are more affected by our shitty gun laws. Are you happy about that? Does that make it ok that a bunch of kids got shot up in a school or a lot of people will stick a handgun in their mouths and pull the trigger?

Are you sorry you posted a chart where every column is demonstrably false?

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Sounds like you are finally agreeing with my point.

Have a nice day.

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Not really, minorities are more affected by our shitty gun laws. Are you happy about that? Does that make it ok that a bunch of kids got shot up in a school or a lot of people will stick a handgun in their mouths and pull the trigger?

Are you sorry you posted a chart where every column is demonstrably false?

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Maybe we should listen to those most affected:

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https://www.abc10.com/article/news/c...d-762c78bb3f46

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Originally Posted by sirbumpsalot

Sounds like you are finally agreeing with my point.

Have a nice day.

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What's your point, that the gun laws are ok because it hurts "other people" more? No, I am not ok with that, the fake stats, or your racist confirmation bias.

You know what I would like? If our firearm homicide rates looked like France or Finland.

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What's your point, that the gun laws are ok because it hurts "other people" more? No, I am not ok with that, the fake stats, or your racist confirmation bias.

You know what I would like? If our firearm homicide rates looked like France or Finland.

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It's like a reverse-strawman. He makes some point that doesn't really have anything to do with the issue at hand, ties it to race so you don't want to agree, but then when you finally say "okay, so?" he can act like he gotcha agreeing with him which then somehow means he's right on everything else and you're wrong. It's dumb.

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It's like a reverse-strawman. He makes some point that doesn't really have anything to do with the issue at hand, ties it to race so you don't want to agree, but then when you finally say "okay, so?" he can act like he gotcha agreeing with him which then somehow means he's right on everything else and you're wrong. It's dumb.

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It would be one thing to say "shoot the messenger" when the point was factual, but when it's entirely fiction... fuck. can we shoot him, or do we have waiting lists for this kind of stuff yet? Maybe I shouldn't be able to get a gun after joking around about shit like this online, that would be cool too!

A socio-economic break down would be more revealing but, as we all know, his bullshit is a racist sideshow distraction.

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Originally Posted by paulster2626

Should have to be 25 to own a gun. Any gun. At age 18 you can start taking gun courses at a range or whatever. Drinking age should be 19, juuuuust when you're old enough to start going to college.

That's my liberal utopia.

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I disagree with the "Any gun" point of view here. Semi-auto/auto-loading rifles moving to 21 shouldn't be that hard of a sell. Just like hand guns, I couldn't go buy one when I turned 18. It wasn't a big deal then...not being able to buy a semi-auto rifle till 21 isn't some huge infringement if pistols haven't been. However, 18 year olds should be able to purchase non-semi auto long guns...which are almost 100% used for hunting.

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Originally Posted by sirbumpsalot

Of course I could be spreading lies and misinformation....from YOUR source....the CDC!

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Sounds like you are finally agreeing with my point.

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Bobby and many others made similar arguments in previous mass shooting threads. Race appears to be a deeply ingrained internalized rational for accepting gun violence in America.

Another way to look at the data however is by taking race out of it and looking at the data according to the percentage of residents living in poverty. From that perspective the gun violence epidemic in America disproportionately affects people living in poor communities with little social mobility irrespective of skin color. Poor low social mobility communities experience about 30% higher rates of gun violence. High gun violence rates means nearly everyone in low social mobility communities are impacted by gun violence which further exacerbates economic inequality leading to even less social mobility. It's a vicious cycle.

And as others pointed out, on the other side of the equation you have higher suicide rates and gun accident rates in communities with higher rates of gun ownership regardless of income. Firearm homicide accounts for 'only' about 40% of gun deaths, the rest are gun suicides and gun accidents. In addition, the ratio non-fatal firearm injuries to deaths is greater than 3-to-1. The annual cost of gun injury alone in America is nearly $300 billion, or about 1.5% of GDP.

When you add it all up, everyone in America regardless of race or gun ownership or economic status is taking a haircut, is getting taxed, by gun violence in America.

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I disagree with the "Any gun" point of view here. Semi-auto/auto-loading rifles moving to 21 shouldn't be that hard of a sell. Just like hand guns, I couldn't go buy one when I turned 18. It wasn't a big deal then...not being able to buy a semi-auto rifle till 21 isn't some huge infringement if pistols haven't been. However, 18 year olds should be able to purchase non-semi auto long guns...which are almost 100% used for hunting.

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handguns can be bought from private parties at 18 and the rules are all piecemeal at the state level anyway. federal legislation could improve this, raising the age, getting rid of background check loopholes etc.

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Another way to look at the data however is by taking race out of it and looking at the data according to the percentage of residents living in poverty.

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I think that goes for almost everything that gets pinned on race. If there is an issue in America that gets viewed as a racial problem, the data almost always correlates better with poverty.

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

Bobby and many others made similar arguments in previous mass shooting threads. Race appears to be a deeply ingrained internalized rational for accepting gun violence in America.

Another way to look at the data however is by taking race out of it and looking at the data according to the percentage of residents living in poverty. From that perspective the gun violence epidemic in America disproportionately affects people living in poor communities with little social mobility irrespective of skin color. Poor low social mobility communities experience about 30% higher rates of gun violence. High gun violence rates means nearly everyone in low social mobility communities are impacted by gun violence which further exacerbates economic inequality leading to even less social mobility. It's a vicious cycle.

And as others pointed out, on the other side of the equation you have higher suicide rates and gun accident rates in communities with higher rates of gun ownership regardless of income. Firearm homicide accounts for 'only' about 40% of gun deaths, the rest are gun suicides and gun accidents. In addition, the ratio non-fatal firearm injuries to deaths is greater than 3-to-1. The annual cost of gun injury alone in America is nearly $300 billion, or about 1.5% of GDP.

When you add it all up, everyone in America regardless of race or gun ownership or economic status is taking a haircut, is getting taxed, by gun violence in America.

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guns are not an issue in rural america except for suicide and violence toward women. of course these are important but to your average american - not so much... yay america

the gun violence in urban america (polite for minority neighborhoods) is a serious issue. the numbers don't lie:

in 2015, 26% ofall firearm homicides in the United States occurred in census tracts that contained only 1.5% of thepopulation

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guns are not an issue in rural america except for suicide and violence toward women. of course these are important but to your average american - not so much... yay america

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That's past tense.. Pretty sure we will be seeing more and more of this too...

Gunman Kills at Least 26 in Attack on Rural Texas Church

And where was that school that got shot up last week? Rural 'Murika!

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Originally Posted by DBdude

guns are not an issue in rural america except for suicide and violence toward women. of course these are important but to your average american - not so much... yay america

the gun violence in urban america (polite for minority neighborhoods) is a serious issue. the numbers don't lie:

in 2015, 26% ofall firearm homicides in the United States occurred in census tracts that contained only 1.5% of thepopulation

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Actually, it can be, but depends on where you live. Saw this article pop in and it has a great (if slightly limited due to data availability) set of examinations of rural/urban causes of death - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-rural-america

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Actually, it can be, but depends on where you live. Saw this article pop in and it has a great (if slightly limited due to data availability) set of examinations of rural/urban causes of death - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-rural-america

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this is what annoys me when people say "chicago". That city on its own has the same homicide rate as louisiana, and less than alabama. If it was covered the same way Fox New should light up every time some redneck kills his wife down south, but it doesn't work that way.

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guns are not an issue in rural america except for suicide and violence toward women. of course these are important but to your average american - not so much... yay america

the gun violence in urban america (polite for minority neighborhoods) is a serious issue. the numbers don't lie:

in 2015, 26% ofall firearm homicides in the United States occurred in census tracts that contained only 1.5% of thepopulation

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If you make an apples-to-apples state-to-state, not state-to-city comparison, on a per-capita basis states with higher gun ownership rates and fewer gun restrictions tend to have higher rates of gun-homicides, gun-suicides, and gun-accidents. That includes states with high rates of localized gun violence like Chicago in the state of Illinois. Illinois has a per-capita gun death rate if 14.1 whereas more rural gun owning states like Alaska (23.5), Alabama (23.6), or Tennessee (21.3) have much higher gun death rates.

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re: guns not an issue in rural america

Gun violence seems to follow the locations of population density. So more heavily east half of country, but not limited to urban areas or even mostly urban areas, or even just the east.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/charts-and-maps
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here's the population density data mapped
https://mtgis-portal.geo.census.gov/...ed2b2fd7ff6eb7
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mashed up deaths 2022 over census
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plenty of gun deaths out in the sticks already