the answer to "WTF is wrong with my boots?"

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Originally Posted by mntlion

get a boot that fits (28 and NOT 29) and remount as needed

having the right boot is KEY. remounting is easy

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Thanks. Sounds like I'm on the right track and need to get drilling. A new 4.1mm drill bit is in the mail.

Is it so obvious that I was in a too big boot? Fit always felt good except a little extra volume in the upper cuff above the strap- just shimmed as necessary.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Don't Surf

What do I need to be looking for when carpet testing a boot? I took a pretty calculated and informed decision and went from a 29.5 KR2 to a 28.5 Lange RX LV (pink heritage ones). Out of the box they fit sung and only a little pressure on the left big toe- it goes away after tightening the instep buckles. No footbeds in these yet and liners not molded. Anything that might catch me off guard when these get cold and stiffen up- right now they feel good and basically ready to go? I think this is a good direction for me but I want to be sure before I commit to the boot as have 7 pairs of skis with pivots that would need remounting :for the new BSL eek:

So, because I'd really like to avoid remounting the quiver and some of the skis don't have space for it I'm trying to decide if it makes sense to put some life back in the KR2. They would need new liners and a grind and lifters for the worn down lugs- probably getting close to the cost of a new boot.

Take the hit and remount the quiver?
Return the Lange and find something else that works with a closer BSL?
Is there a zipfit or other liner that could go in the Krypton for the next couple seasons and then adjust for the smaller lange?
This shit stresses me out- any advise is welcomed.

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I'd just remount all the heels, keep the toes where they're at. Should be a .5cm difference. Adjust the jig to the 28 Lange, then line the toes back up.

I think you lose if you decide to keep skiing in boots that are too large. Taking space out of a boot is almost never the answer if you can solve the same problem by simply downsizing. Speaking from both a bootfitting and personal perspective. Stretching boots to make more space is way easier than taking the space out, and generally a lot more successful. Footbeds will also probably alleviate the toe bang.

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Originally Posted by Ørion

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After 15 days my liners packed out enough that I was starting to get some movement in my heels, banging these processes into the top of the heel cup of the shell. Inserting the shims in both boots sucked up enough space to prevent the heel lift (thus solving the movement problem) but also resulted in the left heel painfully pressed up against the boot's heel cup (thus the difference in how the shims affected each foot). The right heel, being slightly less prominent, didn't have this issue.

With that in mind, my bootfitter cut some padding in a large upside-down U shape that curls around my Achilles, above the superior calcaneus protrusion, and wraps down the outside edges of my heel. This seems to have solved or greatly reduced the problem in a similar fashion to your suggestion; "padding from above" to lock the heel back down.

I'm giving it until next weekend for the inflammation to settle down a bit before doing a proper full-day-of-skiing test but flexing my boots and walking around in the store was impressively promising once you accounted for the extreme sensitivity my abused heel was exhibiting. I don't think it was so bad that you could say I had a Haglund's Deformity (or pump bump) forming, and I definitely didn't have bursitis, but those probably wouldn't be out of the question if I don't nip this in the bud pretty quickly.

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Hopefully a final update for anyone who has similar issues. The Achilles padding worked for a day or two but the fitter used a softer foam so it compressed out rather quickly and the pain returned. By that point I was on a short trip to Bachelor and stopped by the fantastic folk at Powder House in Bend. They stuck my feet in my liners, had me grease-pencil the trouble spots on both heels, carved donuts out of the hardest foam they had, centered the donuts over the dots I made, and covered the entire assembly in a carbon fiber sheet of some sort for abrasion resistance.

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Since they added the donuts I have put about 120,000 vert (5-6 days) on them and they've held up wonderfully. I was worried it would make the heel cup sloppy but I feel fully locked in and my heels have been completely pain free. The pad isn't too proud on the liner but it did push the entire assembly forward enough that I might need to adjust the metatarsal head punches for touring but I'm still sussing that out. Very stoked as I've gone from tapping out halfway through a ski day because of pain to 3-4 days in a row without issue. Here's hoping it lasts.

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Originally Posted by Ørion

Hopefully a final update for anyone who has similar issues. The Achilles padding worked for a day or two but the fitter used a softer foam so it compressed out rather quickly and the pain returned. By that point I was on a short trip to Bachelor and stopped by the fantastic folk at Powder House in Bend. They stuck my feet in my liners, had me grease-pencil the trouble spots on both heels, carved donuts out of the hardest foam they had, centered the donuts over the dots I made, and covered the entire assembly in a carbon fiber sheet of some sort for abrasion resistance.

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Since they added the donuts I have put about 120,000 vert (5-6 days) on them and they've held up wonderfully. I was worried it would make the heel cup sloppy but I feel fully locked in and my heels have been completely pain free. The pad isn't too proud on the liner but it did push the entire assembly forward enough that I might need to adjust the metatarsal head punches for touring but I'm still sussing that out. Very stoked as I've gone from tapping out halfway through a ski day because of pain to 3-4 days in a row without issue. Here's hoping it lasts.

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I had a calcaneal fracture and my achilles bump is pretty gnarly. I was having pressure issues with it, tried all the cutouts and donuts etc, but nothing really helped without pushing me forward out of the heel cup.
Bought a heat gun and attacked my cochise to mould the heel. Worked a treat. Now I'm sitting fully back with even pressure around the heel.

Punch the heel to match the bump is my tip.

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Originally Posted by P.T.

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Punch the heel to match the bump is my tip.

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Walk mode makes that the option of last resort unfortunately. I'm happy with the heel hold as it stands but I suspect my issue is/was less severe than yours.

Wondering if anyone has input on this...

New boots. Nordica promachine 130. Liner mostly broken in. Ground boot board to decrease ramp. Likely changing to zipfits for more heel hold and tonic room. Using footbeds from previous boot.

I have not yet canted the boot sole, but will need about 1.5 degrees as my knee is medial/ inside.

The problem, although I naturally pronate is that my right ankle is supinating causing too much lengthening of peroneus muscles and consequent soreness. My right foot feels everted. There is a gap between my lateral malleolous and boot allowing for the supination. Hoping to avoid significant injury as i've injured my peroneus before and it takes months to heal.

I've solved this in the past by posting up the lateral aspect of the footbed; however, that was after canting.

Is this a footbed or canting issue? Interested so I can experiment with each appropriately before committing to boot sole canting.

I don't think the solution is locking my ankle side to side. I would prefer to have the ankle hold with zipfit liners support a properly aligned fit.

Thx

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5 strips of laterally placed duct tape was too much. 3 seemed about right.

Foot still feels inverted a little.

I think I mistyped earlier and said it was everted. It was in inverted as the ankle was supinated. Faaack my kids distract me in a good way.

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Originally Posted by Ørion

Walk mode makes that the option of last resort unfortunately. I'm happy with the heel hold as it stands but I suspect my issue is/was less severe than yours.

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your heel bumps are called haglund's deformities btw. fun to the know the proper name.
i got two nice ones and the walk mode is always the crux like you said. those atomic's in particular are problematic since it's exactly where the punch should go and the thin plastic excludes grinding.
most pure alpine boots are fine and easy to grind.

25.5 Zero G Pro Tour. Stock liners have an average fit. Not tight, not super loose. What size in Luxury or Pro Tour Liners? 25 or 26? Going for better heel hold.

my zero g's packed out within minutes. I had some surefoot ascents to replace them earlier this season. 20ish days on them and they're feeling packed out now to. Not much but enough to feel a lack of control and not that snug feeling anymore. I'm having to crank the top 2 constantly through out the day, more than should be necessary to the point of some discomfort.
Also i didn't ski in them for a few weeks. Prior to that I had no problems1st day back in them I had disgusting pain on the outside of the calcuneus. It came from nowhere out the blue. i had a punch in the area that releaved somewhat but it's still there. Could this be down to the packing out? Anyone else wearing the surefoot ascents?
Boots fitted by Sole in Chamonix so no drama with shell fit

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Originally Posted by funkendrenchman

25.5 Zero G Pro Tour. Stock liners have an average fit. Not tight, not super loose. What size in Luxury or Pro Tour Liners? 25 or 26? Going for better heel hold.

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stay 25 and go pro tour, MF to fill up some room That stock liner is REALLY thin, so the MF should help (after its packed out a bit)

Anyone know what the transparent, slippery tape is that many boot shells have covering rivets, screws and other pointy things on the inside? GF's Dalbello touring boots are shredding her liners. Packing tape works okay, but doesn't last very long. I guess I'm probably overthinking this and should just slap some gorilla tape on there.

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Originally Posted by Toddball

Anyone know what the transparent, slippery tape is that many boot shells have covering rivets, screws and other pointy things on the inside? GF's Dalbello touring boots are shredding her liners. Packing tape works okay, but doesn't last very long. I guess I'm probably overthinking this and should just slap some gorilla tape on there.

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yes. #2

https://www.gorillatough.com/product...-gorilla-tape/

I got some mach 1 lv this year and have been loving them so far but it feels like the liners are already packing out after only 7 days or so.

I put 1 small punch in the shell and they felt very tight but the fit with the stock liner was very good OTB and I'd like to try to get that OTB feel back.

If I bake the liners and don't bother with a moulding process, will they spring back to the original shape? If so, what temperature should I use?

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Originally Posted by Shorty_J

I got some mach 1 lv this year and have been loving them so far but it feels like the liners are already packing out after only 7 days or so.

I put 1 small punch in the shell and they felt very tight but the fit with the stock liner was very good OTB and I'd like to try to get that OTB feel back.

If I bake the liners and don't bother with a moulding process, will they spring back to the original shape? If so, what temperature should I use?

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7 days? boots might be too big/wide/long?

No re-heating will not help, or maybe not long term.

Other option is a MV or HV intuition liner or an injection liner in that same shell?

Or, again, a lower volume boot.

ordered some intuition liners with the recommendations from intuition. with my footbeds in the clog section doesn't overlap. They MV would the LV version solve this. photos for clarity
1st photo boot with liber 2nd photo top of clog with foot in. very tight across the topAttachment 409214Attachment 409215

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have you skied or molded the liners?

Odds are will be fine after that.

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Originally Posted by mntlion

have you skied or molded the liners?

Odds are will be fine after that.

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no not moulded or ski em yet. didn't want to mould them if swapping them up for LV was the way to go. they'd have to compress alot to get the boots across the top of the clog to be fully closed/sealed. you can see the liner in the area where is should over lap. they feel great in the heal though.

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that section with the blue arrow is liner not cuff. It just feels too full in that areaAttachment 409228

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1) Odds are will be fine

2) if you dont think so get the LV version

3) mold with footbed, and ski first few days without footbed to give you more room

4) odds are either will be OK,

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Originally Posted by mntlion

1) Odds are will be fine

2) if you dont think so get the LV version

3) mold with footbed, and ski first few days without footbed to give you more room

4) odds are either will be OK,

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I've never used intuition before. Will they compress down a fair amount then? Sole put a heel lift maybe 4mm(ish)in them to take up a little space with the stock tissue paper. I'm gona try with that out see how that feels

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I took the advice from this thread and saw a renowned vancouver boot fitter. I am trying to get in some boots that could replace vulcans. He recommended the hoji. I tried them. The 26.5 feel nice over the instep and they have good heel hold, but my toes just touch the end of the shell with the liner in. Shell fit is a tight finger. 27.5 is good at the toes but lots of slack in the heel and instep. He recommends I go with 27.5 and build up the liner, which is kinda against the usual advice here.

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Originally Posted by Cocximus

I took the advice from this thread and saw a renowned vancouver boot fitter. I am trying to get in some boots that could replace vulcans. He recommended the hoji. I tried them. The 26.5 feel nice over the instep and they have good heel hold, but my toes just touch the end of the shell with the liner in. Shell fit is a tight finger. 27.5 is good at the toes but lots of slack in the heel and instep. He recommends I go with 27.5 and build up the liner, which is kinda against the usual advice here.

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What are you using for an insole? A good supportive insole can shorten your foot by a couple of mm, often enough to take the pressure off the toes.

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Originally Posted by Cocximus

I took the advice from this thread and saw a renowned vancouver boot fitter. I am trying to get in some boots that could replace vulcans. He recommended the hoji. I tried them. The 26.5 feel nice over the instep and they have good heel hold, but my toes just touch the end of the shell with the liner in. Shell fit is a tight finger. 27.5 is good at the toes but lots of slack in the heel and instep. He recommends I go with 27.5 and build up the liner, which is kinda against the usual advice here.

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ya sounds like a bad idea.

can you convert fingers to MM please?

I'd also check to make sure your liner is not short lasted. I had this happen with a pair of boots that had a good shell fit. After losing a toenail a couple of year running I finally figured out the stupid liner did not extend to the end of the boot.