I want to buy those FR120s available now on the site for $699 so bad… hoping a lot of my gear sells before they are gone.
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I want to buy those FR120s available now on the site for $699 so bad… hoping a lot of my gear sells before they are gone.
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FR120s in their intended habitat high in Japan. What a day this was!
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Has anybody mounted sth2's on these? What brake size did you go with?
I have the STH with One Thirty brakes on my R One Twenty.
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I'm taking mine to hakuba on the 8th. Should be great!
In preparation for my japan trip, I took them to bogus basin after a small storm and had a blast on them. My FR110s felt kinda tiring to ski, and I think it's because they come out of the package so sharp. I detuned the 120s progressively duller towards the tips and tails and sharp underfoot, and I found them to be extremely intuitive to ski through chop. I wasn't tired at all. Didn't feel like too much ski at all. Incredibly easy to pivot. I still get this weird sensation where it feels like they have a shorter turning radius than they do, but it's mostly because it's a full rocker ski that engages the full length of the ski once you tip it over.
First day out on the FR120s and in proper conditions, 20cm+ overnight and blue bird. The best word I can use to describe how they ride in soft snow is telepathic. You want them to turn and they turn on a dime, big turns and small. They drift and float but also track a line and don't get knocked around or hook up in a weird way. I wouldn't say they're "poppy" but are eager to get off the ground and kind of bounce or just fly off of snow piles, bumps and side hits. They navigate sketchy traverses and bumps way better than expected probably because they are so pivoty. My biggest complaint with them is I found the lack of suspension to be a bit tiring. As things got more cut up I started to notice it, they still blow through chop but don't dampen it like some cambered skis. Big stuff wasn't bad but skiing fast through areas with lots of smaller snow piles, high frequency "chatter" to use a MTB term is where I noticed it most. Overall, I'm stoked with these skis, I really wanted something different and something special compared to every other ski on the market and I got it in this ski. I'm just kinda wishing I had a carbon BC model now too hahahttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...b7fb1bd48a.jpg
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It's weird you say that, I find them to just monster truck over bumps like I'm riding a full suspension mtb. The mid-stiff flex combined with the reverse camber just kinda erases bumps, especially when you're skiing bases flat.
Got my first day out on the Fr120s! Was a little worried they'd be overkill for the underperforming 5"of fresh over a very icy base. Worries were unfounded, skis were immediately intuitive and easy to ski! Was impressed how they handled themselves in all sorts of sub optimal terrain. Stoked on how they performed in optimal terrain. Carving was as easy as advertised and running flat wasn't concerning either. Pretty unflappable charging thru chop, and very nimble when you wanna jump all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree.
I will say my back is feeling that lack of camber after a full day of charging though. [emoji28]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...3704378156.jpg
Alright meow.
Agree. I find that they absolutely smash chop down. They are a bit tiring in deep snow in really tight trees, but not many heavy skis do that well.Quote:
Originally Posted by phil_dirt
Reading comments I wonder how many people have ridden reverse skis before. These are just big dialed reverse skis.
I’ve ridden 4FRNT Ravens, Hojis and Renegades for years.
They’re sitting in the garage now as I have FR One Tens, R One Twenty’s and HB One Twenty Twos.
In the 4FRNT threads I’ve mentioned many times that I find reverse skis easier to ski?
Cause you can lay them over and engage the full edge, or stand up more on them (bases flat), pressure your shins and ski through your heels and kind of fly/float/hover over bumpy terrain at speed using way less energy vs if I was engaging the edges or on a cambered ski. They’re kind of like cheating.
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Yeah, it surprises me when people think that they cannot carve. Reverse skis are a blast to carve and drift!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
@eSock where did you mount yours? Those look a bit further back than -6.5
-7.25cm was recommended by MO so that's where I put emQuote:
Originally Posted by SnowMachine
Cool. I saw that they are the bigger ones, too. I think it is an optical illusion in that pic. They look pretty far back. I bet those things slay!!Quote:
Originally Posted by eSock
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Question for the experts:</p>
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For the FR120, which size are folks running? I am 6'5" 200 lbs. How different is the 193 from the 187? I'd still like it to be nimble and fun, but have good float. </p>
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Apprciate the advice.</p>
At over 220lbs the 187 R120 floated amazingly well and was super fun in powder. Wasn’t quite what I was looking for on packed snow/groomers (I had early betas, not the final version) and ended up switching them for FL116. The FR120 should float even better than the R120 given the taller rocker profile. I’d chose based on intended terrain (open vs treed) and visibility (blue bird vs grey bird.)
I'm 6'3, 215 and went for the 193 FR120, I don't think it skis long and from my two days on them, super maneuverable while still being stable when I let em ride. All my skis are 189+ so 193 made sense. I don't think I'd size down.
100% this!Quote:
I’d chose based on intended terrain (open vs treed) and visibility (blue bird vs grey bird.)
I’m 6’3 205 lbs and went with the 186 fr110. To echo what others have said, I’d choose based on terrain. I went with the 186 because I spend way more time in the trees than wide open spaces and the 186 feels like the right choice. The 120 is a touch stiffer fwiw
As a comparison, the 186 on3p Jeffery felt way too short
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Sorry for the noobjong question, but gonna try to mount my own fucking skis this weekend. Should the distance from the tail be measured straight pull or from the end of actual swallowtail on the ski itself along the running length?
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Measure as you would any other ski. Ignore the swallowtails for mounting purposes
Yeah sorry, I get that part. Thanks though. I guess my question was more about whether you measure from the end of the ski with a straight pull or from the end of the curve on the tip of the ski itself. Probably more of a question for the general mounting thread....
Edit: NVM, got it figured out
I slide my ski up against the wall and measure to the mount point. It has worked fine for me.
I skied my FR120 in a foot of dense snow while it was raining. Interesting conditions for that ski. It handles it well, but it reminds you that it is a substantial ski (heavy). It also had a bit if a tendency to hook up from the front and turn up hill. I really had to be balanced in the center of the ski. I would bet the R120 would be more versatile in those conditions. The FR was also interesting bases flat on the wet, firm groomers. You had to pay attention to what was going on.
The reality that I regularly find is that a 120 is effectively unnecessary in Tahoe (at least at my size). Our snow is generally more consolidated. They are fun to play on, but a 110 waist is much more versatile if you do not have a huge quiver.
I am still looking forward to getting these into their element. We may get some deeper snow this coming week where they will be fun for some untracked laps.
Fwiw i find the center of the ski tip to tail and then mount based off of center. I double check measurements from the tail prior to mounting. Pull the tape or use a metal meter stick from the tail. I don't follow the curve of the tip or tail.Quote:
Originally Posted by lrn2swim
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Mounted these (R) up today on my coffee table while watching football. CAN'T WAIT to get out on them. Should I bring them to Japan or are they too chargy? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a7d641da9b.jpg
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Anyone with a membership wanna give the TL;DR?
https://blisterreview.com/flash-revi...allowtail-r120
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Yeah... He liked the 193 R120 and did not like the 187 FR120. Too small of a balance point and maybe not stiff enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by lrn2swim
I also like the 193 R120.
[QUOTE=Conundrum;7199567]I also like the 193 R120.[/QUOTE
I am not sure I disagree with him. I thought the 187 FR has a small sweet spot. I'm comparing it to my 191 Renegade. I need more time on the FR. I will probably ski it tomorrow.
I love the build. The R may fit my style better. Undecided. Need a bunch more days. I may need some heli days with it.
Fun ass day; 4” over night, snowed hard all day.
Took out the big boy r-one-twenties.
That ski is a hoot; started pretty sharp (standard tune). LVS and I were trading out skis and kept detuning them but got them perfectly butter’d by the end of the day.
Long and short; they are not demanding in the least but are stable/powerful monster trucks. When comparing them to my super goats they have more of the HL big dick energy. Super goats really only come alive when going Mach-shnelll. But with these I could slarve/drift at most speeds. Never really got a slashy vibe but the snow had higher water content so in drier snow might give more of that vibe.
Set them loose to LVS as his hill has bigger open bowels where the ski will shine more; my little hill just doesn’t have the terrain to justify keeping them in the stable.
For big mountains or dudes who ski a ton of heli THESE are the droids!
What a kick ass day
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Can confirm, the FR120 is great in high density pow and somewhat hectic in hard bumps. I'm not even sure we'll get a proper day this year. It's been 5 degrees too warm every storm. I really enjoy the crud busting ability. I predict that they will be crazy surfy fun in lighter snow.
I'm outrageously excited for the AM110 for days like Friday.
I think this is what happens when a ski area gets bought by Alterra….Quote:
Set them loose to LVS as his hill has bigger open bowels
Anyways, I have a confession.
I bought early 187 r120s and never could quite figure them out on packed snow, etc. ended up catch and releasing them.
Got on the production 193 r120s… whoa. Much improved. Definitely some tweaks to the design and they are now $$$. Nice work Marshal.
Hahahah yes, open your bowels… I’m scared to edit it, is the TGR virus still alive?
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I still love mine dearly, I have betas from the first pressing. I have no issues skiing hardpack with them, love the flat camber with just a small amount of tail rocker. The larger tip splay compared to the current run floats no problem but it’s not too much to throw off balance or have a hinge point. Have skied over lots of rocks here in SW CO(low tide till now) but no durability issues to speak of. It snowed 27” here Friday and folks were struggling everywhere but these things just work. Ski deep snow and be on the balls of your feet, the swallowtails just sink enough to offset any need to lean back. The softer flex(compared to my fl113& r105) makes them more compliant when skiing through powder whoops and chop but still plenty stout to haul the mail. I’d post a pic but tgr is acting up
Still really digging the 193 R120. I'm a big feller at 230# and have no trouble in tight spots turning and releasing where I want but can also open them up no problem. I'm finding they don't need to be on untracked. I can motor through chop without getting bounced around too. I've been taking them out more and more even when it's soft, not necessarily deep.
Wow. I guess I haven’t posted on TGR in a little while. I know the mods posted about it but the inability to quote/etc. has gotten bad.
How big is your quiver, SnowMachine? I’m California based as well and have three skis: R120ST (187cm), R87 Comp, and Nordica 104 Enforcer Frees. To me that seems like a well balanced quiver of three but I’ve only had a few days on the R120ST.Quote:
The reality that I regularly find is that a 120 is effectively unnecessary in Tahoe (at least at my size). Our snow is generally more consolidated. They are fun to play on, but a 110 waist is much more versatile if you do not have a huge quiver.
Yes, this captures my feeling well. I got them out for skiing at Alta in two days of pow - 12” the first night (last Thursday) and 21” the second night.Quote:
Long and short; they are not demanding in the least but are stable/powerful monster trucks. When comparing them to my super goats they have more of the HL big dick energy. Super goats really only come alive when going Mach-shnelll. But with these I could slarve/drift at most speeds. Never really got a slashy vibe but the snow had higher water content so in drier snow might give more of that vibe.
Essentially, I felt the most like Seth Morrison I’ve ever felt. (Which still means far away from him) :yourock: The skis felt like could charge through any of the chopped up powder left over. Their turn radius felt a little big for some of the tigher trees of Supreme Bowl but not terribly so, and out in the open they crushed it. Their weight was definitely noticeable on the groomed areas though - my friend with similar abilities and lighter skis (~105mm underfoot) would be moving twice as fast as me. Perhaps they need a wax? Anyone else have that issue?They might be too big for my Tahoe/Truckee-based quiver, but I’m hoping with one or two trips to UT/CO/BC a year, they become worth it. Will have to keep pondering that based on snowfall.
Thanks, Marshall, for making a fun ski!