Just devastating to watch, it’s like the mass destruction in Superior and Louisville all over again, but with far more casualties. I can’t even imagine going through this while it was happening, or processing the recovery afterwards.
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Just devastating to watch, it’s like the mass destruction in Superior and Louisville all over again, but with far more casualties. I can’t even imagine going through this while it was happening, or processing the recovery afterwards.
I bet that Highway was backed up in both directions. Amazing how the fire can jump it so easily. If you’re down on front street, hard to tell which way to flee, and with the water to my back, hard to imagine you’d be that fucked. Fucking fire burned the boats in the harbour. It looks like Pearl harbour Dec 8th, 1941. Kimos gone, movie theatre gone, all gone.
up to 36 :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
Oh man. 1st world problem I know but seeing death and destruction in a place that has brought you so much joy and memories over many years is gut wrenching. Now the death toll is way higher than I would have thought. I hope all those huge mega hotels in Kaanapali work something out and allow some families to temporarily live there while they rebuild.
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Originally Posted by Muffcabbage
Start the video at 2:38. Pioneer Inn is completely gone. Banyan tree is next to it in the shot to the right. Still standing but it looks charred. Maybe it will survive?
I only visited Lahina once. Cute and quaint, but felt we didn't really stray from front street and it felt very touristy. That tree is magical and I hope it made it though.
Agree. I watched a local TV reporter's B roll from one of the Napa fires. The wind blows glowing flaming embers along the ground, and the fire flows right over roads. Mostly leaves in that fire. Licks something flammable on the other side and then it's across. Really cool looking, aside from the destructiveness. Embers in the wind man. Palm fronds spot fire really well, too. Probably also parts of disintegrating houses, lofted by their plastic fueled infernos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cono Este
Jumping a road is nothing. Checkout the vids of the harbor where boats moored hundreds of feet from land caught fire.
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This is the marker for the Maui incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
That part man, wow. That nigh shot looked like the sea was on fire. Man if Im down near the harbour I’d have always felt safe near the water, but not exactly. I bet people flocked to the end of the jetty and still had go in the ocean. I’m sure there are some still missing. Just incredible.Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
The wind just ripped down the mountain toward the sea
https://youtu.be/-e3DVC07L-U
Kansas mother-of-three Tee Dang jumped into the Lahaina harbour with her children and husband on Tuesday to flee the flames which tore through the town.
Sitting in traffic in downtown Lahaina, they watched from their rental car as others started to jump in - including a woman who she said appeared to be in her 80s.
But when the vehicles around them began catching fire they decided to grab their food, water, and phones and run for the waves.
With their children - ages five, 13 and 20 - they at first stayed close to shore while the fire razed the town to the ground.
As evening approached and the tide crept in, the water started smashing her into the rock wall of the harbour, severely cutting Dang's leg.
That was when a line of "about 50 cars" on Front Street in Lahaina started exploding, Dang said, forcing them to move into deeper water to seek shelter from the “shooting debris”.
Eventually, a firefighter gathered them from the water and directed them to run through the flames. Her entire family suffered burns from the flames and are now waiting for a flight off the island.
53 dead.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/mau...-23/index.html
53. No words.
No alert went out. They have a sophisticated alert system for tsunamis etc. best in the world.
Someone fucked up.
I wonder what the timeline looks like.
If you watched that video I posted above it sounds like the perfect combination of a hurricane to the south with counterclockwise rotation, a high pressure system to the north with clockwise rotation creating massive winds bombing over and accelerating down the mountain while heating up blasting toward the sea right at Lahaina.
When a flame or spark hits dry grass in 80mph hot wind I can’t imagine there is much time.
The giant smoke cloud and smoky smell is the alert. If you miss that, there's the roar and then the heat and flames. Sophisticated human systems will also try to alert you, wait and you may get crispy.
Boats burn (link to marina fires). Sad but true. Downwind of burning structures and moored next to other boats and docks, they were doomed. Hundreds of feet is normal fire spotting in strong wind, though the fire would have also hopped a couple feet from one boat to the next.
The thing with large destructive fires, is the fire is bigger than us and does as it will. With a windblown fire, even a million firefighters may not stop it, as they can only safely fight from upwind. That also means there's often no firefighters where the fire is, and leads to internet idiots crying about melted cars and conspiracies. Guess what happens when a fire burns freely without a fire hose nearby? Very hot, thorough combustion. Memories meet ashes.
It's truly a terror to be caught by windblown fire. Fires can easily run 10 miles in an afternoon. You gotta flee but it may not be possible to flee or it's too late. A couple dozen downed power poles blocked the highway out of Lahaina (from yesterday's press conference). And in some cases the fires moved faster than the warnings, or destroyed the communication systems. One of the fire guys said they asked tourists to shelter in place at the resorts while evacuating residents, but didn't know how many got the message and did know many tourists tried to flee (as I would).
This page has some more info. Few vids of the wind that day and power lines just bouncing up and down. Vid of people in the water etc.
https://reddit.com/r/maui/s/ndN7yztCFt
The NWS had a red flag warning for fire conditions in the area, along with spot-on forecasting for the high winds, and that was issued Monday afternoon. Discussion of the conditions here: https://wasatchweatherweenies.blogsp...s-to-maui.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Cono Este
Not sure what local government/emergency notifications do with that info in terms of warning people, but the conditions were flagged as super sketchy early on.
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Yeah, similar thing experienced in the Marshall fire in Colorado last year. 4 lane roads didn't stop it. A 6 lane expressway didn't stop it. To their credit, the fire officials quickly determined that they couldn't do a damn thing to fight it, all they could do is race through all the communities/subdivisions in its path and get people to evacuate. The fire only stopped when the wind died down, some 1000 homes later.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
Fleetwoods gone. Not only was that restaurant amazing, the art gallery had some of the coolest photography I’ve ever seen…. Unreal.
Hard to prepare for something you've never thought about, let alone experienced, before.
I'd heard that fires were triggered in the town itself by downed lines. Sounds like the fire's propagation speed was super fast - hard to react quickly to such rapid onset. Add the confusion and mayhem created by just the 85 mph winds, no way you could have organized any serious evacuation.
High res satellite image.
Can almost pinpoint a couple areas it may have started.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/instant/...de4433c967c4b9
Banyan getting watered. Some think it'll make it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVc...iveStormsMedia
Jesus, death toll is up to 89. :(
Yeah it’s heartbreaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
A friend over there involved in the volunteer world recommended this for donations: https://www.hawaiicommunityfoundation.org/maui-strong
I've seen the same group recommended for donations elsewhere.
Locals are getting restless. Man the conspiracy rumors floating around, space lasers and shit, it’s not like they trusted anyone before. The town will be set afire again if developers and politicians role in and don’t work with them.
So shitty they lost their houses while the mansions that sit empty were spared. Sucks to be Hawaiian.
You’re a fucking idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cono Este
Just waking up to that fact?
Stop quoting the moran. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
You guys are so reactive to anyone with a different opinion, wtf. I'm reading CE as saying the locals are pissed, not that the conspiracy theories are true. And that politicians/developers better rebuild for them and not just cut them out put up hotels and more mansions. Valid points I've read in the NYT or the Washington Post - can't remember.
Anyone that brings up conspiracy theories is a fucking idiot.
9/11 inside job, space lasers, chemtrails….just shut the fuck up and take that bullshit elsewhere.
Or better yet, start a conspiracy theory thread so you can swim in your own shitcloud with the other dimwits and not cunt up a wildfire thread.
Oh, and if conspiracy theories mean “different opinions” then all i can say is “bless your heart”.
Talking about Hawaiian locals who believe in conspiracy theories is not the issue here. The issue he's talking about is if all the locals have their rentals or whatever replaced by hotels, air bnbs, restaurants, etc. Which will happen to some extent, right?
or just never mind me you guys are a bit tightly wound about CE.
I was doing structural protection a couple years ago when I met my first "conductive energy weapon" proponent.
He said it was a plan to de-populate rural areas as rural folks were a threat to government/corporate control of global food supply.
I was on duty, but really wanted to ask, if that were true - why did forest fires take out suburbs, cities (within a few years of Ft Mac.), and towns. Not a lot of Ag going on in Ft. Mac.
He believed that he had seen the lightning strike - and the colour was green when "real lightning" is blue.
He also didn't seem to notice that we were trying to protect his and his neighbour's houses and were being paid by the government that apparently wanted to burn him out.
It is a weird diplomacy that has to go on out there.
I have more respect, I think, for the people that say get lost we will take care of ourselves than these folks that say the government is out to get us, while begging for (or even just accepting) our help.
I can't imagine what the first responders went through in Maui. My heart goes out to them and the other residents affected. This will stay with them forever.
"When a man tells you who he is...believe him."Quote:
Originally Posted by muted reborn
— Maya Angelou
If i got this right they want people to give DNA so they can use it to match up with/ identify the bodies but I I can't see anyone giving up DNA for any reason
but yeah CE needs to put another layer of Aluminium foil in his hat and you wana use real aluminum not the tin foil so the local pharmascist told me
Can’t imagine how bad it would be if there hadn’t been an ocean for people to go get in. Sounds like dozens of not hundreds took refuge in the water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Who is cunting up the thread? Little bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
Hey dumb ass, there are a lot of conspiracy theories in Hawaii. Not mine, but they’ve got a right to them. They’ve been fucked over. And they’ll be a lot more In the rebuilding. They don’t trust anyone.
Thanks, but some of these guys are beyond helping. Mostly criminals now.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted reborn