In spite of being bit of a Ranger owner/fanboi at the time when i read 2.3 boosted 4 cylinder as the only engine in a mid size Ranger that was a big turn off for me
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In spite of being bit of a Ranger owner/fanboi at the time when i read 2.3 boosted 4 cylinder as the only engine in a mid size Ranger that was a big turn off for me
That's some atypically great mileage on an Outback, but the Outback does seem to beat the (non-hybrid) Escape on real world mpg and as the Bronco Sport is based on that the platform but with more ruggedization, I suspect that the Outback will continue to beat it somewhat handily (3-4 mpg). The shared platform means that Ford could probably pretty easily bring out a Bronco Sport hybrid though, and that would likely out mpg the Outback until it follows suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
Put some pants on that guy please.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
Yes that, but also, CAFE standards from what I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
And it was a niche vehicle that had no real market and abandoned its iconic past. I mean this bronco looks like it’s been continuously made since 1966 and this is the latest iteration. The fj competed with the 4 runner was awkward to drive regarding visibility and was relatively expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jax
If the fj looked like a real fj and had removable top and doors and smaller footprint and no awkward suicide doors plus toyota reliability it would have been a hit.
Jeep Wrangler introduces a 4 door during the worst gas prices and recession and it becomes its biggest seller.
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You know the problem with you fake enviro SJW types is your lesson teaching. You give Toyota’s a pass because one sits in your driveway along with the driveways of thousands of bros in the intermountain west.Quote:
Originally Posted by westoxified
It’s because it’s your choice it’s ok. God forbid an f-150 rolls by with a non core dude. I had a 2.7 f-150 and now a Tacoma for my son. That f-150 easily got 25% better mileage and had 50% more room.
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Hard to tell in that picture if the guy is like 5'5" or if there's going to be a huge blind spot in front of the grille. Looks like it's going to be a blind spot nightmare. Not conducive to crawling..
Another thing that immediately stuck out to me is the height of the the side panels. Like, for that guy to rest his arm on the window sill it would be above the height of his shoulder. Not ergo.
Preach ^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by ncskier
Try regearing, lifting and slamming 35s under that taco, FJ or LC and let’s see what happens with real world mpg - admittedly without me having any idea what the mpg figures will be for a Sasquatch outfitted bronco with the larger engine.
Intrigued by the programming option on the 4cyl. Just can’t quite get my mind around that as a realistic option. Certainly isn’t if you want to keep your warranty intact. Lots of electronics and first year gremlin considerations will make me be careful to preserve warranty.
The seat is slammed and back. I bet he has a giant trouser, er, pleated khaki short hog though. You can tell by the size of his tires.Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust
It’s got looks. 2% of people buying this will drive it on challenging terrain. High traffic beach don’t count but would still be rad.
If the auto has a low enough first for descents (and u can keep it In first) gimme the auto.
I Can’t afford anyway so enjoy if you get one, looks fun.
The margin on light trucks these days just makes my blood boil. “Just raise the prices!!!” “Sir, shouldn’t we make it somehow better?” “Raising the price does make it better.”
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As a 4Runner owner and fan, I agree with this statement. I don't understand why anyone buys a Tacoma or Froniter. They get worse mileage than a 1/2 ton truck, the interiors are cramped as shit, and the payload and towing capacities pale in comparison to a 1/2 ton.Quote:
Originally Posted by ncskier
If I needed a pickup, I would definitely be looking at an F150 and not a Taco, even though the notion of buying an American car makes me sick to my stomach.
I wonder what depreciation will be like on the Bronco.
Dude does look tiny in that thing. I think there are a few things at play that amplify this more so than just his stature. The camera lens and angle, paired with the angle of how the Bronco is parked uphill, plus a seat that was not raised up & adjusted forward for his size appropriately. You can clearly see the seat height adjustment lever on the side panel of the seat, to the left of the seat-back adjustment. The seat as it is in the photo is dropped all the way down. And it looks likes his toes can barely reach the pedals. I think that dude just sat in there for the photo op but the seat was clearly adjusted for a different, taller driver/stunt model. In any case he's clearly wearing leather Merrill sandals.Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust
I don't think hood clearance is going to be a problem.
Also, I think this photo confirms it will be comfortable for taller folk.
The guy in the pic says as much. He was posting in the thread the pic came from. He's supposedly 5'10" and didn't want to mess with the seat. He just wanted the pic of him in it. Might be an indicator of the target market. I just want to look cool. Don't really care how it would fit if the dude were actually a driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jax
Based on all of that, then yes he is 5'5" to 5'8". Just as predicted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
Heh. I didn't click or read that link.
i love it. you nailed it, i am super fake.Quote:
Originally Posted by ncskier
and the F150. it is my work truck w/ a 8ft bed, 3.5l and 36 gallon tank. it's a flying couch and with a piss bucket i can go 700 miles before a stop.
thanks for the lesson
I sold my sweet '96 F150 XLT Lariat with dual tanks and a stick back in 08 because it cost me too damn much money to fill up. I regret that decision most every day, except for when I'm at the pump.
Because you get poor MPG in a cramped interior towing less for half a million miles with higher resale.Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
It supposedly has cameras in the front to show where your wheels at when crawling. I imagine they might be part of an upgrade package.Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust
As a relatively tall person, I like the photo. I find my eye level a bit too high in my dad's last gen Ranger and I can't adjust the seat down. This looks like it would be easier to avoid feeling like I'm looking down out of the vehicle.
Tacoma has the rep. Plus Chevy and Ford tried to price their mid-size trucks like they were in the full size market. So, I'm guessing prospective mid-size truck buyers did one of three things;Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
1) They bought a full size Ford/Chevy/Dodge
2) They went with Tacoma
3) They decided to stick with their used truck a few more years and wait for newer offerings and save up some more cash.
Didn't Trump just repeal or roll them back? I suppose the yo-yo effect if Biden gets in and puts the CAFE standards back in place.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jax
We obviously don't know you, unless you recently change your username. I think he was more referring to your e-persona you were projecting in your previous posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by westoxified
I didn't think that some people would take personal offense to Ford releasing one of the most iconic 4x4's of all time in a new, yet classic form. Learn something all the time.
I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but I don't think there was any personal offense taken. I read it more like the shit talking that happens between 4Runner/Taco/FJ owners and Heap owners.
If I'm wrong and I've offended anyone, then fuck your mother.
So, how many of you have purchased a new vehicle before without even test driving it, let alone knowing what it it will truly feel like? How many of you are willing to do it again with this Bronco?
I mean, it's not like they even released interior photos with more detail yet. I want to see how the rear seats fold in the 4-door. And I want to see more detailed pics of the roll bar on the 2 door with the top off. I want to see the speakers and locations. I want to touch and feel the carpet that will be installed on the base model. I want to see the Aux switches on the overhead and hear the sound of the doors when they shut. Are they 'tinny' or solid...And I kinda want to see the paint in real person as I'm a geek for that stuff. Some metallics paints are good, others not to my liking. I want to see the quality and consistency of the flakes. Ford typically has nice, thick and durable paint if taken care of but I'd like to confirm. Most importantly, I want to feel the play in the stick shift when running through gears as well as the pedal feel in general.
I don't plan on putting this through the ringer like my Rover, where pinstripes and dings are not of my concern. I kinda want to baby it while offroad, at least until the newness wears off.
Also, really, how much is the sasquatch going to set me back? $3500 or 6Gs?
I did not reserve, and I will choose to wait until I can drive one for these reasons, and also in case any bigger gremlins pop up. But still, base + sasquatch, if I could. I love the styling and it's growing on me more and more. Classic but not a parody retro like the FJ was. Being a rover person, it really does fill the void that the old Defender left in my heart, and it takes away the angst of the rubbish the new Defender is.
The UI/UX on ford.com is all fluff. I understand covid has changed the dynamics of a marketing rollout as big as this, and perhaps they moved it forward to better gauge production and to better forecast numbers and not take as big of a hit with all of the unknowns. I know there is attrition as with most car manufacturers right now. It makes sense they piece-mealed the website in my mind to accommodate for this earlier rollout. But still...need moar details. It's a big purchase and one that, for me, comes from the heart. I can't even find the size of the damned gas tank.
I did find $1495 for the Destination and Delivery fee tucked away at the bottom in this slightly more descriptive blurb from Ford's media site. https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...or-models.html
Tl;dr I'm waiting for more details
^Agreed on all accounts.
Despite what I said about the picture with the tinyman posted earlier I really do like the look and specs (so far).
That was a great post, Jax, and it made me think of Toyota "quality:" every single door on my 4Runner makes a distinct and different sound when you shut them.
Cheers. One beer deep. I haven't been on my bike in a month because dr's orders.... gives me more time to fuck off on tgr.
Who knew we had a bronco emoticon
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Originally Posted by Jax
I haven't and don't plan to here. I bought a first model year Ford before and had a number of annoying issues (seats stuck folded, etc.). From a mechanical point of view it's been solid and I suspect they out much more effort into the Bronco, but still I'll wait and see how things develop.
But in any case, the reservations being taken now aren't worth much given that people will have to go through dealers anyway. I imagine a test drive or at least closer inspection will be possible for most potential buyers.
This tease and deposit is from the Tesla playbook. It's great for manufacturers to see interest before committing to production, but Tesla did it because, I think, they were too broke to start production. Most likely, and unlike Tesla, Ford will have a prototype to drive at many dealers way before they fulfill orders. Just a guess but that is based on the teaser videos with functional vehicles which looks kinda real to me. I'd put a deposit down now, if it's fully re-fundable, and also presuming you can test drive one before delivery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jax
I am seriously looking at a new Bronco. I swore I would absolutely never buy another Ford product in my life after Ford fucked me over with a warranty issue in the mid-90’s on a brand new full size Bronco.
Anyway, I’m willing to forgive my 25 year grudge. I like the idea of the 2.3 turbo with manual trans, so probably the 2-door base model is what I will get.
I have not been following this thread, is the $100 deposit paid on Fords website or to the dealer directly ?
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$100 to Ford; you’ll get an email from the dealer you ‘selected’ - or at least I did.
Also, I am advised by what I consider to be reliable sources that they will have pre-production vehicles allocated to certain higher tier regional dealers to promo the line before orders need to be completed. If true, works for me.
You go through the Ford website, enter your zip code, choose the closest dealer, and go through the checkout process. My credit card bill looked like it was billed from the dealer but the checkout process was all through the website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry
Yeah. Not super impressed but better than expected. If I had cash I'd be waiting a year or so and grabbing a base trim with sasquatch(? How much?). The overland crowd(and most people) who could give zero fucks about a solid front axle will eat this shit up. F/R lockers, solid gearing, and a platform that is very easily customized screams #blahblahblah. Seems perfectly reasonable that you can't get the bigger motor in the 7mt... I hate the meme but definitely still see the FJ influence a bit too much.
And if harry gets one I'm calling shotgun next time I'm back in the big dump.
As the owner of a 4runner and a long time Toyota fanboy, I don't want to love this truck. But I do. I don't even want the pimped out version, the 2.3 with a plateau shaped torque curve, manual, 2 door, whatever. Sounds fun as shit. And even if it's a Ford, at least there's a warranty. Ford's gonna sell the shit out of these.
So the 2.3 can get a stick too? I thought it was only the 4 banger.
That 2.3 can be tuned pretty easily. I think they get some pretty hefty numbers out of that thing.
Livewire is the tuner I heard about.
I thought the 2.3 was a 4-cylinder. Maybe I read it wrong ??? And I think it is the only motor you can get the manual with.Quote:
Originally Posted by warthog
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The 2.3 is a 4 cylinder. The 2.7 is the 6. Both are ecoboost but I know nothing about tuning, so whether you can do the 4 too, I have no idea.
It's a V6.
I will admit to some ignorance on this front. I think that both the 2.3 and 2.7 are V6 Ecoboost but I could be wrong. I definitely know that only the 2.3, whether 4 or 6 cylinder, is the only option for a manual transmission. Much gnashing of teeth on the Bronco forums.
I think the 2.3 is the Ranger motor and the 2.7 the f150 motor. But again, dumbass here.
Yeah, I just didn't put it together. Somewhere in there I thought they were offering 3 engine options.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusBrody
The Ranger and Mustang both have that 2.3, so I mistakingly thought that was a 6 cylinder.
They do tune it though- get an extra 30-40 HP and 30 lbs out of it I read.
See this article for a better breakdown of pricing options.
Comments at the end indicate Sasquatch package will be 4-6.5 wish adder.
https://jalopnik.com/2021-ford-bronc...lai-1844371574