The Official Argue About Where Upstate NY Is Thread

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Originally Posted by Skidog

No love for heids in Liverpool?

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Not a big hot dog guy, so I never got into the whole red vs white hot and all the various brands from Buffalo to Plattsburgh.

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so i've skied lake tear to whatever hike trail junction, solo, in january. cold. twice

headwaters of the hudson. upstate.

pussies;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1nX7BqhORc

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Originally Posted by ötzi

All this talk of Utica Club and Genny Cream brings me back to the infamous Matt's Beerball. Matt's is the parent company that makes UC as a premium beer. They named their shittier cheaper beer after themselves. And they put the shittiest of that in the beerballs.

The best thing about them was shooting them with a pellet gun when they were empty, the pellet could go through the plastic to get inside there but it wouldn't have enough power to go though the other side to get back out so it would just spin around inside the ball at high speed making this weird sound that only a Matt's beerball shot with a pellet gun can make.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/resiz...YFEQGX4W7A.jpg

From the very relevant newyorkupstate.com btw

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Matt's beer balls were a fixture during my teen years.

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Originally Posted by EWG

No “the”. It’s just ‘Cuse.

For some reason this always makes me irrationally angry. Like when people call A Basin A-Bay.

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C'mon man, every upstater knows the only A-Bay is Alexandria Bay!

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Originally Posted by ötzi

A good friend is from Malone. I've been there a couple times. No matter how you slice it, Malone is upstate. Hell it's almost in Ontario.

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Malone...the right arm pit of the state. That is one depressing town. They don't even have decent heart attack food.

But, it beats the hell out of St. Regis Falls.



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Originally Posted by Self Jupiter

Holy fuck that’s accurate. What is with the way they say the word Italian?

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Absolutely. I grew up with every adult pronouncing it as though it was spelled "eye talian". I stopped correcting my dad 30 yrs ago.

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

This actually begs the question: who is more better-equipped to determine what Upstate is?

The bridge and tunnel crowd?

Those actually living in the City (Manhattan only you poors)?

Those actually residing in points Upstate?

Western New Yorkers/Bills Mafioso/Ontario?

The TRG brain trust?

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Manhattanites (and former manhattanites), LDO.

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Originally Posted by muted

I'd like to see a National Geographic expedition take on this last-best quest: to finally map and discover Upstate NY. Kinda like a Lewis+Clark journey, but with Bmills, Timba, Otzi, and Benny. Maybe throw in Fast Fred as a wild card, or Stu Gotz. Butter's neighbor Kenny Burns can make the film about it, and Joe Pesci can narrate the journal entries the crew writes down every night by the fire while blitzed out of their mimds:

August 17, 2020
Meriwether Benny
there were three beaver taken this morning by the party. the men prefer the flesh of this anamal, to that of any other which we have, or are able to procure at this moment. I eat very heartily of the beaver myself, and think it excellent; particularly the tale, and liver. i wash it down with liquids from Matt's balls, which was bland and flat but the a favorite of the locals so i swallow heartily

I submit that the last great frontier was never AK, it was simply Upstate New York.

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Instead of the native American female "guide", a hot Italian Brooklyn babe.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Instead of the native American female "guide", a hot Italian Brooklyn babe.

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Does she shave her face or not?

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Originally Posted by muted

I'd like to see a National Geographic expedition take on this last-best quest: to finally map and discover Upstate NY. Kinda like a Lewis+Clark journey, but with Bmills, Timba, Otzi, and Benny. Maybe throw in Fast Fred as a wild card, or Stu Gotz. Butter's neighbor Kenny Burns can make the film about it, and Joe Pesci can narrate the journal entries the crew writes down every night by the fire while blitzed out of their mimds:

August 17, 2020
Meriwether Benny
there were three beaver taken this morning by the party. the men prefer the flesh of this anamal, to that of any other which we have, or are able to procure at this moment. I eat very heartily of the beaver myself, and think it excellent; particularly the tale, and liver. i wash it down with liquids from Matt's balls, which was bland and flat but the a favorite of the locals so i swallow heartily

I submit that the last great frontier was never AK, it was simply Upstate New York.

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In.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Instead of the native American female "guide", a hot Italian Brooklyn babe.

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This may also be of use when we break through Upstate and land upon Killington.

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Originally Posted by muted

I'd like to see a National Geographic expedition take on this last-best quest: to finally map and discover Upstate NY. Kinda like a Lewis+Clark journey, but with Bmills, Timba, Otzi, and Benny. Maybe throw in Fast Fred as a wild card, or Stu Gotz. Butter's neighbor Kenny Burns can make the film about it, and Joe Pesci can narrate the journal entries the crew writes down every night by the fire while blitzed out of their mimds:

August 17, 2020
Meriwether Benny
there were three beaver taken this morning by the party. the men prefer the flesh of this anamal, to that of any other which we have, or are able to procure at this moment. I eat very heartily of the beaver myself, and think it excellent; particularly the tale, and liver. i wash it down with liquids from Matt's balls, which was bland and flat but the a favorite of the locals so i swallow heartily

I submit that the last great frontier was never AK, it was simply Upstate New York.

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Forget National Geographic, this is the sort of thing TGR does right? I do fear someone is going to kill somebody during the filming, but not before Bunny gets coal rolled by two French Canadians in a F350 just south of Malone and Buttahs discovers his sexuality at the Rainbow Pony in Cheektowaga.

I'd like to toss in a trip to Wooley's family's former bra factory in Troy.

sorry italian girls just don't do it for me
sometimes I think I can handle a jewish girl, then I come to my senses
the things you learn growing up on the east coast

^ Italian girls are a bit like salmon. All sleek and silvery until they hit spawning age then weird things happen to their physical appearance.

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

^ Italian girls are a bit like salmon. All sleek and silvery until they hit spawning age then weird things happen to their physical appearance.

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LOL, that was good and true
then they end up on some reality tv show with lots of makeup and their cousins best friends sisters wife has a hook up for cosmetic work

and to answer the orginal question
downstate is the city, long island, westchester, orange, and rockland.
The catskills is the transition area and everything after that is upstate with varying degrees of woodchuck backwoods people

I wonder if the expedition will follow the canals used by the ancient Upstaters like Wooley.

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

^ Italian girls are a bit like salmon

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We liked 'em at THE USC. Until they spoke. Mah GAwd that northern new jersey accent is just balls ugly.

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Originally Posted by BC13

Malone...the right arm pit of the state. That is one depressing town. They don't even have decent heart attack food.

But, it beats the hell out of St. Regis Falls.



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My wife did a bunch of student teaching in St. Regis Falls. That place truly was depressing.

Malone does have Titus Mountain though, which is hands down the best small town ski area in the world if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by AdironRider

My wife did a bunch of student teaching in St. Regis Falls. That place truly was depressing.

Malone does have Titus Mountain though, which is hands down the best small town ski area in the world if you ask me.

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If you live there. However, that's a longer drive than I care for to ski a small town area. That said, there are a few folks over here that go there. Weirdos.

And that, in essence, is what makes it so great. It's just a bunch of college kids and locals in snowmobiling gear having a raucous good time.

The people I know fit the latter and they are most certainly raucous.

The 5 biggest employers in the Malone area are 3 different prisons, the hospital and the border patrol. #6 is a cheese factory. Now that's upstate.

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Originally Posted by Marshall Tucker

Mah GAwd that northern new jersey accent is just balls ugly.

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truth

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Originally Posted by ötzi

The 5 biggest employers in the Malone area are 3 different prisons, the hospital and the border patrol. #6 is a cheese factory. Now that's upstate.

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The closest Walmart to most of the High Peaks zone too!

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Originally Posted by ötzi

The 5 biggest employers in the Malone area are 3 different prisons, the hospital and the border patrol. #6 is a cheese factory. Now that's upstate.

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That's where the two dudes escaped from a while back

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

That's where the two dudes escaped from a while back

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The Stiller boy directed a 7 part mini series about that thing for Showtime that is now on Amazon Prime.

Interesting. I'll have to check that out.

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Originally Posted by fastfred

and to answer the orginal question
downstate is the city, long island, westchester, orange, and rockland.
The catskills is the transition area and everything after that is upstate with varying degrees of woodchuck backwoods people

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Orange, but not Putnam? Interesting.

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Originally Posted by Marshall Tucker

Mah GAwd that northern new jersey accent is just balls ugly.

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While it certainly is a bit grating, I would take it over a southern drawl every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

My upstate NY experience is limited to the Glens Falls/Saranac Lake/ Potsdam region. I did build a large (120 can) pyramid with empty Genny Cream cans while in upstate NY for a ski weekend that turned into a 48 hour deluge once though.

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Originally Posted by ötzi

The 5 biggest employers in the Malone area are 3 different prisons, the hospital and the border patrol. #6 is a cheese factory. Now that's upstate.

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

That's where the two dudes escaped from a while back

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When I was a kid, my family used to occasionally visit some family friends who had a cabin on Chazy Lake. On one of those trips I somehow got my hands on a t shirt with a pic of the Dannemora prison. In hindsight, I guess my mom had a better sense of humor then I gave her credit for. I wore the shit out of that shirt. Wish I still had it.

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Originally Posted by glademaster

While it certainly is a bit grating, I would take it over a southern drawl every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

My upstate NY experience is limited to the Glens Falls/Saranac Lake/ Potsdam region. I did build a large (120 can) pyramid with empty Genny Cream cans while in upstate NY for a ski weekend that turned into a 48 hour deluge once though.

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I know you like taking stern stances on the opposite side of much here but you’re insane.

Imagine this woman saying “Hey y’all! Wanna come over and hang?” In that sweet sexy southern accent.

https://rosalynandroy.files.wordpres...hern-women.jpg

Now, imagine this woman saying “Hey youse limpdick motherfuckers, wanna smash and spread herpes?” in that nasally Jersey accent between pulls on her Marb 100.

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Eyes closed you tell us you still make that same choice.

the drawl is more of a southern jersey thing. you’re more likely to find a straight up russian accent in a place like franklin lakes than a jwowww.

he meant a drawl from the actual South, not from south Jersey, I'm fairly sure.

I had a girlfriend who went to Sullivan County Community College, I was in Loch Sheldrake a lot for a couple years. Pretty depressing place in the early '80's, all the big Catskills Resorts were closed and just in ruins, we explored a few of them, pretty eerie. Everything must have been pretty nice around there in the '50's but man it was beat up by then. Felt hopeless and upstate for sure.

The eastern side of north jersey will get you the classic nasal-y jersey accent. The closer you get to staten island the heavier it gets. Never go to Staten island. Not once, not ever. Although the pizza is good and there is a Frank Lloyd Wright house there. Just don't go.

The western side of north jersey is a whole different world. You will more likely find a rusty pickup with a confederate flag who's driver runs on meth and broken dreams. There is a strange accent there that I haven't quite figured out. Beautiful rolling farmland, and a lot of meth.

In the Ramapo mtns you will find another world entirely. Don't go there either. You will be devoured by humans.

And as far as upstate I think the line is fluid rather than a hard line, a flowing jet stream of transplants and townies.

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

I know you like taking stern stances on the opposite side of much here but you’re insane.

Imagine this woman saying “Hey y’all! Wanna come over and hang?” In that sweet sexy southern accent.


Now, imagine this woman saying “Hey youse limpdick motherfuckers, wanna smash and spread herpes?” in that nasally Jersey accent between pulls on her Marb 100.

Eyes closed you tell us you still make that same choice.

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Well, given that they're really asking the same question, I'll take truth in advertising. Although I do have to take issue with your hypothetical, as I have a strict no-tobacco/nicotine policy.

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Originally Posted by papapoopski

The eastern side of north jersey will get you the classic nasal-y jersey accent. The closer you get to staten island the heavier it gets. Never go to Staten island. Not once, not ever. Although the pizza is good and there is a Frank Lloyd Wright house there. Just don't go.

The western side of north jersey is a whole different world. You will more likely find a rusty pickup with a confederate flag who's driver runs on meth and broken dreams. There is a strange accent there that I haven't quite figured out. Beautiful rolling farmland, and a lot of meth.

In the Ramapo mtns you will find another world entirely. Don't go there either. You will be devoured by humans.

And as far as upstate I think the line is fluid rather than a hard line, a flowing jet stream of transplants and townies.

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I grew up in NWNJ and my parents still live in Hardwick Township. You aren't far off on your description, although you do have random pockets of affluence scattered about that make for a truly eclectic combo. I don't miss it.

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Originally Posted by ötzi

he meant a drawl from the actual South, not from south Jersey, I'm fairly sure.

I had a girlfriend who went to Sullivan County Community College, I was in Loch Sheldrake a lot for a couple years. Pretty depressing place in the early '80's, all the big Catskills Resorts were closed and just in ruins, we explored a few of them, pretty eerie. Everything must have been pretty nice around there in the '50's but man it was beat up by then. Felt hopeless and upstate for sure.

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I grew up in Monticello, so, like a town over in the 80s and 90s... We explored the ruins a lot, a friend even made a book about them. borschtbeltrevisited.com

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

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Eyes closed you tell us you still make that same choice.

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Snooki's not from NJ Bmills. Straight up Upstate New Yawk. But she lives here now tho.

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

Snooki's not from NJ Bmills. Straight up Upstate New Yaak. But she lives here now tho.

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pretty sure all but 1 of the entire cast of "the jersey shore" were not born or even lived in NJ. They were all NYers. What you're hearing there is a long island or "city" accent.

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Originally Posted by glademaster

I grew up in NWNJ and my parents still live in Hardwick Township.

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Dude that's like hard core Pennsylvania, but with higher taxes. There might be more black bears than people there.

Is that where the anger came from? Or did that come later when you moved out West?:)

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

Snooki's not from NJ Bmills. Straight up Upstate New Yawk. But she lives here now tho.

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Mind. Blown.