I’m not saying Christianity correlates with stupidity, but...

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Originally Posted by puregravity

Please elaborate.

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How about when people get their religious beliefs mixed up into public policy/law?

You got your chocolate in my peanut butter.

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Originally Posted by Peruvian

What wyeaster said was that nobody knows shit. I’m sure I know that unicorns don’t exist.

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Originally Posted by wyeaster

i guess you are an aunicornist

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Originally Posted by SB

You got your chocolate in my peanut butter.

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If only it were that pleasant. Its more like you got your toxic waste in my perfectly happy existence.

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

But the correlation between religiosity and intellect is well studied and settled.

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I have my doubts about the intelligence of anyone who takes a 2,000 year old book literally.

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Originally Posted by riser3

The bigger issue is how to get them out of politics and away from our laws. I don't have a problem with personal faith until it interferes in the public sphere. It's funny how many ignorant people get all riled up about the possibility of "Sharia Law" in this country and don't see how the outsized influence of Evangelical christians is leading us to a similar end result, if unchecked. Aka The christian Taliban. Billy Graham, mentioned earlier in this thread, was very much part of the problem in that regard. Churches that influence politics should lose tax exempt status and their clergy should have to register as lobbyists. It is more than fair given how the right has worked to bust up labor unions based partially on the premise of their political influence.

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Maybe because a lot of those who get riled up about Sharia Law are Evangelical Christians?


I'm all about freedom of religion. I'm even more about freedom from religion.

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Originally Posted by evdog

I'm even more about freedom from religion.

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QFT

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Originally Posted by Peruvian

Seems like agnosticism, not atheism.

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not quite

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Originally Posted by wyeaster

i believe gods do not exist.

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This is atheism

"I don't know whether god(s) exist(s) "
this is agnosticism


I can't believe I'm so bored that I ended up here. God help me

https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/...re-inaccurate/

^ summarizes research about myths :fmicon: concerning agnostics & atheists, presented at Vatican.

Speaking of the Vatican—behind the scenes, off the record interviews indicate the priestly cognoscenti evolve toward a quasi-agnostic view as they get older. NTTAWWT.

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Originally Posted by zede

This is atheism

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Not quite.

I'm curious. How do athiests define the god that they don't believe in. I mean, some believers think that the clouds are literally between them and god while others believe in a universal "spirit" as the source of our chaotic order.

How the religious define and dismiss the gods that they don't believe in is probably a more useful question to ask.

Thought I already described the believers god spectrum. Use whatever comes to your mind. Just curious as I'm sure there are as many definitions of what god isn't.

I don't debate this stuff. People can't even define concentration camp and agree these days.

There's no need to define what god isn't, but I suppose if that needs explaining at this point, it's too late.

Brilliant. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by wooley12

Brilliant. Thanks.

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What is god?


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Originally Posted by riser3

I don't have a problem with personal faith until it interferes in the public sphere.

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and I asked ... "Please elaborate."

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Originally Posted by riser3

If you have to ask then you don't get it, and probably never will.

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It doesn't sound like you are saying "church and state". It sounds like you are saying "faith and state".

So that's why I ask. Because I don't know what you mean and I think a lot of believers, atheists, and agnostics would also want to know what you mean so they can apply that to their belief systems (or non-belief if you look at it that way).

It is one thing to want administrative and legal seperation. A whole 'nuther matter if you want peacnicks to shut up and go to war or endorse war bills.

Please clarify, if you don't mind.

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Originally Posted by puregravity

and I asked ... "Please elaborate."



It doesn't sound like you are saying "church and state". It sounds like you are saying "faith and state".

So that's why I ask. Because I don't know what you mean and I think a lot of believers, atheists, and agnostics would also want to know what you mean so they can apply that to their belief systems (or non-belief if you look at it that way).

It is one thing to want administrative and legal seperation. A whole 'nuther matter if you want peacnicks to shut up and go to war or endorse war bills.

Please clarify, if you don't mind.

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I assumed he meant gay wedding cakes, Hobby Lobby health insurance, the pro "life" movement....

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Originally Posted by AK47bp

What is god?


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I'm asking you to tell me what YOU think. Would my response have any weight on your answer? It might and I don't want to skew your thoughts. I'm not debating anything here as my core belief in a "god" is that it is MY core belief and what others believe is interesting and I'm interested in hearing thoughts. I love that line by the priest in Rudy! . "I really only know that there IS a god and that I'm not him".

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Originally Posted by wooley12

I'm curious. How do athiests define the god that they don't believe in.

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To me God or a god is an entity that can influence the universe in a way that can't be explained by science, i.e. a supernatural force. That would, of course, include areas of science humanity doesn't currently understand.

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Originally Posted by wooley12

I'm asking you to tell me what YOU think. Would my response have any weight on your answer? It might and I don't want to skew your thoughts. I'm not debating anything here as my core belief in a "god" is that it is MY core belief and what others believe is interesting and I'm interested in hearing thoughts. I love that line by the priest in Rudy! . "I really only know that there IS a god and that I'm not him".

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You can just say “I don’t know”.

Enough of the rim jobbing.

I’m asking you a separate, independent question from the current shit show.

What is god?

Can’t a man of faith like yourself answer such a simple question.


I don’t have an answer and I don’t know, which is why I am asking.



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Originally Posted by Bromontane

God as a human construct designed to imbue future generations with a respect for the lessons of the past. With the assumption being ppl are too arrogant & stubborn to respect those lessons without relearning them the hard way.

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https://www.npr.org/2019/05/06/72065...ural-evolution

"But in the last 12,000 years or so, human groups began to expand. It became more difficult to identify and punish the cheaters and free riders. So we needed something big — really big. An epic force that could see what everyone was doing, and enforce the rules. That force, according to social psychologist Azim Shariff, was the popular idea of a "supernatural punisher" – also known as God."

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Originally Posted by Bromontane

Nowadays there's an obsessive focus with disproving the supernatural when the intent and value of religion was always in terms of guiding behavior towards productive ends (family unit to help foster development & social cohesion as an example). It's highly imperfect as a strategy but that's what the more woke religious types reference in terms of defening their choices.

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The problem with this is at the end of the day most religions are couching this guiding behavior as something some supernatural being or beings is telling us we should do or else we'll be smote down, not get into heaven, etc.

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Originally Posted by wooley12

I love that line by the priest in Rudy! . "I really only know that there IS a god and that I'm not him".

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Cute line, but replace 'god' with unicorns, pixies, leprechauns, or any other folklore and it's just ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Peruvian

Cute line, but replace 'god' with unicorns, pixies, leprechauns, or any other folklore and it's just ridiculous.

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There are archaeological remains that attest to the accuracy of Leprechaun stories?

People have sacrificed their lives for their belief in Leprechauns?

The Romans hung crucified (and still alive) Leprechauns on fire, on street lampposts, all throughout towns to warn others about the dangers of being Leprechauns?

Or maybe it was unicorns you were referring to.

:D

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Originally Posted by puregravity

There are archaeological remains that attest to the accuracy of Leprechaun stories?

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There are archeological ruins that attest to the existence of God?

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Originally Posted by puregravity

There are archaeological remains that attest to the accuracy of Leprechaun stories?

People have sacrificed their lives for their belief in Leprechauns?

The Romans hung crucified (and still alive) Leprechauns on fire, on street lampposts, all throughout towns to warn others about the dangers of being Leprechauns?

Or maybe it was unicorns you were referring to.

:D

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Um brah...,

You’re confusing Jesus with god.

Try to keep up.


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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

I assumed he meant gay wedding cakes, Hobby Lobby health insurance, the pro "life" movement....

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That covers a good swath of it.

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Originally Posted by riser3

That covers a good swath of it.

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How about fair treatment of prisoners?

How about fair treatment of immigrants?

Carry on.

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Originally Posted by puregravity

How about fair treatment of prisoners?

How about fair treatment of immigrants?

Carry on.

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You saying that the only thing that keeps humans from being pieces of shit is faith?




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Well if people need Karma or religion to NOT be pieces of shit, stands to reason they are pieces of shit deep down. If the only thing keeping them civil is an external factor containing their inner self.




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Originally Posted by AK47bp

You saying that the only thing that keeps humans from being pieces of shit is faith?




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Well, if you are faithless, you live in the moment, because tomorrow isn't.
And if you are faithful, you believe that behaviors that reward the common good, and others, tho not own, also will be rewarded or at least advance a cause greater than self.
So ... in a way yes. I think that is arguable. But that's not a point I was making and I don't need to prove it.

I was asking ...

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Originally Posted by riser3

That covers a good swath of it.

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How about fair treatment of prisoners?

How about fair treatment of immigrants?

Carry on.

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Originally Posted by puregravity

Well, if you are faithless, you live in the moment, because tomorrow isn't.
And if you are faithful, you believe that behaviors that reward the common good, and others, tho not own, also will be rewarded or at least advance a cause greater than self.
So ... in a way yes. I think that is arguable. But that's not a point I was making and I don't need to prove it.

I was asking ...



How about fair treatment of prisoners?

How about fair treatment of immigrants?

Carry on.

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That’s a sad life you live. Can you see how scary it would be to have people with your beliefs in charge of government/public policy?

Ruling the heathens that know no better so you’ll do what’s best.

Detach yourself from yourself to a place of objectivity and think about that for a minute.

I would bet I’ve helped more people in this world than you have and I have zero faith.

And “faithless people live in the moment”. Did you make that up or read it on a Chick Filet cup?


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Originally Posted by puregravity

Well, if you are faithless, you live in the moment, because tomorrow isn't.

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Jamie Pierre sure pokes (poked?) a hole in that logic.

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Originally Posted by puregravity

How about fair treatment of prisoners?

How about fair treatment of immigrants?

Carry on.

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I'd assume he means that too.

puregravity is proving OP's hypothesis.

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Originally Posted by Peruvian

puregravity is proving OP's hypothesis.

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Tomorrow isn't...

What the fuck does he even think he means?

Or was it a Bond movie?

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Tomorrow isn't...

What the fuck does he even think he means?

Or was it a Bond movie?

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Not really sure, but he clearly hasn't read the good book.

Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

-Matthew 6:34

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Originally Posted by The AD

There are archeological ruins that attest to the existence of God?

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Waiting for his answer on that one too. Should be hilarious.

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Originally Posted by puregravity

Fathers can give their sons an inheritance of houses and wealth, but only the LORD can give an understanding wife. ~Proverbs 19:14

So fuck you all. Ha!
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Here I thought it was the drugs and money. Silly me.

And Where’s Wooly?

I asked him what god is and he went AWOL.





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