except the one behind the WHEEL, hey oooo!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
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except the one behind the WHEEL, hey oooo!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
I kid, I kid, you guys are alright.
well played. But FTR, I don’t own a BMW, and likely never will. Just have a car-obsessed uncle (DINKs) with 5 of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jong Lafitte
mostly, yes. the biggest difference is population and population density, I think. there's ~4 million people in the greater seattle area going to a few 4 season mountain roads. except at off times if they aren't clear, they can be a shitshow, because one of those 4 million people will be unprepared. apply this to California times 10. suv is way more useful for seasonsal dirt/gravel/forest road skiing access in spring/fall than winter, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mallthus
yes if you live in the inland mountain west, especially in rural areas things are different.
We have Mexicans who can do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by fastfred
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maybe that was the "or like minnesota" part, geezersteve who loves being the lawyer online?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeezerSteve
True, i guess i was meaning in the majority of large population centers you will be mostly driving on dry or wet roads. Partly because they are intentionally located in milder elevations and climates, but also because the amount of people driving on those roads melts off snow and ice and keeps it from sticking around very long.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeezerSteve
Having lived in MN, I can confidently advise that MN is nothing like MT, E WA or WY. It doesn't take an attorney to know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Having lived on either side of the WA and OR Cascades, I can also advise that ice tires are not strongly indicated W of the Cascades but are highly advisable E of the Cascades. Again, one need not be a lawyer to figure this out.
I'm saying you are being an argumentative douche. If you lived in MN, you'd know there isn't much difference between MT east of the rockies, ND, and western MN. anyways thats my opinion, march on TRG soldiers, march on.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeezerSteve
There's no "if." I lived there 2 years, including a record cold winter in northern MN. And there is a big difference. For starters, MN is flat and doesn't have big swings of conditions per altitude change.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Wanna see an argumentative cunt? Look in the mirror.
and eastern ND isn't? you love to argue online GS, own it. edit since you edited: most of ND is damn flat, there aren't "big swings of conditions per altitude change"Quote:
Originally Posted by GeezerSteve
Eastern MT is called West Dakota. When you are driving in a blinding snowstorm between Billings and MN, like one from the movie Fargo, the only way to know what state you are in is road signs. It's the same in many ways, but you could split hairs I guess.
I really expected the helicopter parenting thread to blow up not the SUV suckage one.
When that section of highway betweeen Abotsford & Chilliwak just outside of Vancover whites out I've come across SUV's upside down in the middle of the hy, its flatter than piss on a plate farm land in a mild climate with marine influence still somebody fucked up .
But face it an SUV kind of handles like a drunken circus elephant compared to a sports sedan at the best of times even in summer weather so in snow the 4x4 thing just gets you up to a speed where its easier for you to lose control if you didnt buy the proper tires and slow down to conditions
I dunno man...did we have better drivers in the good old days? Living in rupert, one of the local ski bums who drove an old rear wheel drive Chevy Malibu with a roof mount ski rack and all season tires was a frequent d.d. to shames and smithers. Wuz a nice plush comfy ride just kinda pitching and yawing down the highway like yer riding some low ocean swells in a big ship. As u know the transitional climate creates some of the worst driving conditions u can imagine. Car stayed on the road, no issues, iirc. Maybe something to do with the 78 tons of rolling heavy metal packed with beer and bodies?Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Ding Ding Ding!! Or, in the case of a long uphill, speed up for the conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
When it does snow in town u get 70+ accidents and a lot are in town and it’s probably “cause your tires suck”
In the old days, we didn’t lose our jobs if we got snowed in up on the mountain.Quote:
Originally Posted by swissiphic
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Just please make sure to stay in the right lane - for the sake of all those people that DID purchase proper snow/ice tires.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
:D
Back in the day they plowed the road up HBM once a week, nobody owned a 4x4, sex was dirty and bra's were pointy ... those were the good old days
I learned to drive in the middle and scan the ditch which gives more reaction time to deal with suicidal ungletsQuote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
you can always move over when you have to
Famous last words. To an extent i agree with you, however you (general you) are a straight jackass if the right lane is going 25mph and you blow by in the left lane going 50+. Just asking for an accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
Or even worse, and i see this constantly on I-90 in WA state: Its a 3 lane highway and folks are chaining up along the shoulder in the chain-up area. The left lane is folks moving along at 35-40 mph, the middle lane is the 20-25mph chain lane, and people are keeping the right lane generally clear because people are chaining up 2' from it on the shoulder, and other folks are just pulling out into that lane from chaining up so its kind of like a pit-road scenario. I always see some douche (almost always a sledneck with a flatbed for whatever reason) see the open lane and gun it going 50mph, literally 2' from folks kneeling down chaining up, spraying the shit out of them and every so often getting loose and almost wiping out a few different parents in front of their kids.
Yeah... you'd think so - but in the real world, hardly anyone *actually* moves over.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Okay, so i take it that's yer cryptic way of agreeing with me that there's not enough weight in cars these days. Noted.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
As always, it depends. You still should not drive faster than you can react and stop/slow safely.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Hell - sometimes in the mountains here, even on *dry* roads, you'll get 25mph traffic in the right lane with 70mph traffic passing in the left lane. It's almost always the fault of the people in the right lane due to not paying attention to what's going on ahead of them.
Had a lady driving 45 in a 65 on dry roads because she was passing a semi. I had to slam on the brakes, then follow her for a mile before she finally completed the pass. WTF? People need to have more of a sense of urgency to gtfo of th semi's blind spot.
This - I'm trying to instruct my kids to treat the passing lane much like you would on a 2-lane road. Accelerate into the passing lane, get that shit DONE, then immediately move back to the right when you're done passing.Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
The continental European habit of having your blinker on when in the passing lane. has much to offer in this regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
My limited experiences driving in Europe seem to indicate that they are far ahead of U.S. drivers in getting people from point A to point B efficiently.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Well, you gotta expect it when there are tires involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
In my experience, 9/10 of why Europeans appear to be better drivers is training/testing. The limited skill set required to get a license in the US is laughable. But even in Europe, there’s a clear hierarchy of driver quality, generally corresponding to training/testing requirements, which are generally more strict in Northern Europe and less so in Eastern and Southern Europe.* The penalties levied for unsafe driving are also quite harsh, with traffic enforcement generally used to enhance road safety, rather than as a revenue source, as is more common in the US.**Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
* No, I don’t have specific examples, outliers definitely exist (UK & Eire jump to mind), and they’re almost all significantly stricter than in the USA.
** Not to say that there’s not a revenue component in Europe. I got my first speeding ticket in Germany and it was a doozy, although conveniently payable on the spot.
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Years back in Alaska there was a state trooper who targeted "Out of state" drivers. He politely informed them that he could take care of the fine on the spot if they had cash. A German speaking undercover officer driving a rental put an end to that cash cow. I do not know what kind of tires the convicted state trooper used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mallthus
I'm wondering where the thread is on, 'Why your AWD sedan doesN'T suck in the mountains.'?
I hate it when the right lane is plowed well and the left lane is deep rutted snow. All the trucks and people going slow are in the right lane but you can't pass them safely in the left lane. Nothing to do but be patient.
Friends picked me up on the way to Squaw this morning (I was super stoked to get to park in the carpool lot) and their Audi SUV slid and fishtailed through the stop sign on Donner Pass Rd at the Donner Lake interchange--a notoriously icy spot which he approached at a reasonable speed. I told him he should get winter tires. He said he had Pirelli Scorpions. Be warned.
there's also a vehicle component. vehicles sold in the US die in the US. they don't end up in eastern europe. US vehicle licensing (aside from emissions in some jurisdictions) is effectively "do whatever the fuck you want". bald tires? no problem. nobody gonna give a fuck. it's not that people don't know it's that they've no incentive to give a fuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mallthus
I don't think many in the US have a clue how stringent some Euro vehicle inspections are.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
I had a set of those on an Impreza I owned. They were the winter variant. They had really good deep/loose snow performance for a car tire but didn't have very good ice driving performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
That's a good winter tire. are they sitting on pizza cutters or did you do the reasonable thing and get 18 inch wheels for em?Quote:
Originally Posted by flowing alpy
Utah got rid of tire inspections maybe 2 or 3 years ago. Was a good thing to check, I thought, before going up LCC in winter. Do they check tires in Europe?Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
j/k
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...cked-at-an-motQuote:
Originally Posted by muted
^ UK annual test for all cars over three years old.
Both Bozeman and Livingston are at considerable elevation and spend much of the winter with snow and ice through out town. In those instances, whether actually in the mountains, one might as well consider them as in the mountains. Bozeman starts at 4800 feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeezerSteve
FKNA eleventy billions times this!Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
That's where snow/ice tires pay dividends; confidence in passing during sketchy conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
And, there are many variants of the Scorpion, including those for motorcycles. Sounds like your buddy didn't have the snow/ice variant.
Beat me to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier