Was it applied to a new pair of skis with a fresh grind and no wax? Trying to determine if there is a pattern as to why some get good glide and others get crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by lrn2swim
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Was it applied to a new pair of skis with a fresh grind and no wax? Trying to determine if there is a pattern as to why some get good glide and others get crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by lrn2swim
2 of the pairs I had Phantom applied to were brand new skis out of the plastic, the other I had the bases freshly ground. All three were done with a curing station at the shop using 2.0. All 3 of my skis are gliding really fast, no additional wax used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calbearskis
Mine was an already used pair of skis. Used a citrus base cleaner + 2 in 1 nylon/brass brush to clean it. Kept cleaning the base until a white paper towel with the base cleaner on it stayed white.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calbearskis
woah woah were on to v.3.0
or curing station formula A+B
less labor intensity is always smiled upon in the tech o skis world
https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y1...psvwkvuu71.jpg
2 weeks on the road no waxin and my shit was still fast
sfotex's not additional waxed skis in -19 c bc chill
not so much
why in gods green earth would you name your base cleaner "agent orange" after a forest defoliation cancer causing weed be gone chemical?
that shit sucks I like wend
I did my lotus 120's about a month ago, its an 8 yr old ski but the bases are still really good, I did the application with supervision
since they were mine I roto-brushed them pretty good, also polished them really good at the end
So a month out i am looking to see if the white bases happen especily along the edges but they aren't
I ski a lot with local bro's so I get to compare them on the long cat track out of the O-zone they aren't super fast but they aren't slow either
I could wax them i supose but I kinda want to leave them at least till end of season just to see how it goes
saw this as well. have not tested it but i think i will. look up faststik another product different than hot wax.
Are used Phantom 1.0 and two pair of skis and have been please.
I brought two other pair of skis for a stone grind and after I applied and cured each phantom layer, each had a milky white color, A and, B which was not present with the 1.0 version. Cured in bright sunlight temps 50 or higher.
Did anybody experience this? Plan on skiing them tomorrow.
I was told the milky white layer after applying A and/or B was good, I think that is just dried product , rotobrush hard to get it all out of the rilling and then buff it real good
Yep. I called DPS yesterday just after they closed and received a phone call back first thing this morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
MILKY finish is a visual cue that the UV has cured the applied product.
So all is well. Will take a few runs on my AT BC skis at resort this morning per instructions and then trek out tomorrow,
I didnt get much white after the part A envelope but I did after the part B envelope
we wondered if it was becuz the sksi were 7 yrs old
seem to remember being told to ski them before putiing skins on
Hey XXX'er...since we have the uber warm temps and some transitiony kinda snow from schmoo to corn...how's the p.g. doing in this stuff?
Its +8C so the skiing sucked from about lunchtime on sunday & I haven't been out skiing since
Can't be that bad. It was plus 15 at shames and though the snow was schmooey water saturated not yet corn, with graphite rub on wax the glide was as good as it gets right to the closing bell. Everyone else seemed to be suffering a bit with the trad yellow wax though and I was handing out the black bar for quick rub on wax jobs to share the good glide love...considering the kinda uniqueness of these snow conditions, it's why i'm REALLY curious if the P.G. works in this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
The skiing was great though, slurpy bumps and super fast trench carving groomers.
which brand of graphite rub-on are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by swissiphic
It's not technically a rub on. This spate of hot weather's only supposed to last a few days so didn't want to alter the fundamental green/red wax hot ironed in base properties just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by TG
Brand is Kuusport from Canada but the website seems to be down or else i'd post a link.
I was skiing today with a buddy who was on atomic redster double deck womens GS skis in 8 degree C snow and the Lotus 120 were keeping up fine in fact he was impressedQuote:
Originally Posted by swissiphic
nice, thnx for the data point. Do u know if the atomics were waxed for the conditions? And how was low angle cat track glide ... any hint of that herky jerky or bogged down feeling?Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
well his ^^ kid used to race and he has wax and irons so I imagine he had some decent wax
glide was good, no jerkyness or bogging
Phantomized lotus 120 on slush seemed pretty good so gona run them again today
Same sort of experience with me last late spring on my 116 Helios that have Phantom. Zero jerkyness. Only time I notice they aren't fast is shuffling in line.Quote:
Originally Posted by swissiphic
Nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
I have a box of 2.0 that I received for being a smartass on instagram. Would you guys apply this stuff to a low-tide & tree/bump ski which will see more rocks and gnar, or the high-tide planks that get the fluff?
which ever ski you are gona use lots that you can't be bothered to wax ?
I did my 120's cuz thats what I had with me when i got the freebie
If i had my druthers I might have put it on the Cochise ... the week after it snows ski
Agree. For me that's my "travel ski" that I plan to take out of the country for a couple weeks at a time where I won't have access to my tuning bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Aspen SkiCo is in: Apparently phantom-ing their rental fleet.
Did some pretty decent testing last year, from execs to patrollers. Pushed their chips in this year.
https://www.aspentimes.com/news/loca...lo-to-phantom/
The prospect of it staying on skis when ripping skins is appealing. Repairs looks do-able, just keep a little extra on-hand for base repairs.
Too bad it doesn't come in a gorilla glue-like sealable bottle for such things.
Anyone have the 2.0 applied at any shops in New England? I see a good amount of shops have the cure station but looking for one thats done a decent amount of these / wont fuck it up
I am gonna jump in with my new skis this year that will be my primary skis. My every once in a while skis will probably just be waxed. I think definitely finding a shop with a proper cure machine is the way to go.
Meh it's not that hard to do yourself especially now that it takes WAY less time to cure.
Where are curing in the winter on your own?Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalNomad
I've had Phantom on several skis. The shit works. I especially like it for "travel skis" that won't be able to get on a bench for a extended period of time.
I have a box of original phantom 1.0 that's been sitting in my room for probably 2 years now. Think it's still good to throw on some new skis or is it better off tossing it and going for fresh stuff?
Edit: According to DPS there is no shelf life/expiration date. Gonna go for it.
This shit went away fast
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Like a phantom would...Quote:
Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher
Really? I have it on 4 pairs of skis, works great. Seems like it's available more places all the time tooQuote:
Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher
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I am going on day 60 or so on my skis with the 2nd gen Phantom...love it
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What do you do for storage?
I fucked up before and didn’t storage wax, ended up with rusty edges. I know, less humidity in the storage locker.
Are you storage waxing the phantom?
Maybe oil the steel edges?
you can still wax a ski that has been phantom glided
I didn't realize this till recently. Definitely adds to the appeal imo. I've got a freebie sitting on my bench at work I'm going to throw on my rock/spring slush/current daily drivers for next season. Figure I'll give it a go.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
only if you want to be faster than the guy who didnt wax his phantomed skisQuote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
I saw in the wax thread that you don’t wax your entire demo fleet.Quote:
Originally Posted by skifishbum
Obviously you don’t worry about storage wax for those.
But any thoughts on protecting the edges during summer?
Could be a market niche for a new product?
Tune edges for the next season and then give them a light rub with a block of wax. The very thin film of wax will repel moisture/prevent rusting but will ski off in a run or two. Zardoz Notwax/Base Boost is also a good rust preventative on edges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
Do not use oil/grease/petroleum jelly etc on the edges. Every season I get a few pairs in for service and the owners have applied Vaseline the edges which penetrates in to the p-tex adjacent to the edge and is nigh on impossible to get out and it seems inhibit future wax absorption etc.