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Originally Posted by bodywhomper
I know we all have different tastes but I sure as hell don't see a 4th gen resemblance. Me and the old lady have had(or have) 2 4th gens, and a 1st gen runner. I also have a 1st gen tundra and before that an 88 pickup. I kinda liked everything up till 4th with the 5th being "ok". I know I'm in the minority but so far I can't stand the LC or 4runner. However I'm not their target audience and would rather have capability over comfort. I sound like the wagon circle jerk but give me some non-US options like a bare bones hi-lux. Bee sting..lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by North
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I think it's the A pillar/roofline transition that gives me 4th gen vibes. All the others have angular lines throughout. 4th and 6th have the rounded a pillar/roofline transition that doesn't match IMO. 6th gen front end looks disproportionately long.
Don't see myself owning another SUV (unless it's a 60 series...), or any new vehicle anytime soon for that matter so it's all moot.
I think the new 4Runner will sell a ton of GX 550s
I was really hoping for T4R Prime. Nothing that really makes me want to upgrade my 5th gen from 2010. It just turned 90k so plenty of life if the road salt doesn’t kill it. Now I’ll have time to check out the Rivian R2 in a couple of years.
Since I’ll have the 5th gen for a while, it’s time to look at adding Apple CarPlay to it.
If you keep zooming, you'll see that's an early 90s 2nd gen, but yeah, the 3rd gen is in many ways the pinnacle. My brother's was the energizer bunny. He gave it to a friend when the rust got too bad, and last report was that the odometer is north of 400k miles and she'll probably still be running when the frame breaks in half.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennymac
That autoblog piece makes a good point about Toyota competing with itself.
Both the 4th and 5th gen were considered "too big" by diehard fans when they debuted, and the new one is even bigger. Yet when I watch some of the car guy reviews it looks more cramped inside than our 5th gen(?)
It looks okay and has the changes expected. Definitely could have done worse.
I love our 03 early Gen4. Just fixed the long broken rear wiper, put a new weatherstripping on back there, fixed some dash light's. Like fucking new. It has been a garage queen no primary driver for 12 years so that keeps the rust at bay.
It does need new control arms up front probably. And new tires. And new wheels.
I think I'll buy those and keep her going.
But I'm okay with the new one. The rear window rolling down is a huge deal to me for some reason, it just grows on you, and the dog does love it. The complication of the turbo 4 sucks but it is what it is. One of the reasons our truck isn't a primary driver is because the 4.0 and the little lift with the prehistoric 4 speed conspire to burn ungodly amounts of gas.
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Shit yeah you’re right. That’s a 2nd gen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Here’s mine - a pic from 20 years ago. Still going strong today.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...198728c0be.jpg
Still miss my 2door ‘88 with 3 pedals.
Removable top? Those were so sweet.
Yeah
My oldest has taco fever
I would never buy one myself. I’m just too tall which makes the rear crew cab useless for anyone but my dog.
Can’t believe they went turbo four. It saves one mile per gallon. And no doubt affects the 250k mileage reliability.
Looking at 2019 ish models. Probably off road since he has dreams of shredding the Utah gnar. We’re going halfsees on it. He made a cogent argument that U UT is so cheap I owe him. lol.
PS. As for alternatives the Chevy Colorado is way cheaper. If you get one with the mini duramax it’s not a bad rig.
Isn't that mini-duramax turbo also?
Toyota's entire brand identity is reliability, otherwise they would just be Nissan. I would rest on the new taco being reliable until proven otherwise honestly. You won't know the answer for at least a decade anyways.
Here in the land of wind and weed their brand is reliability, off road prowess and basic bitch normie image.Quote:
Toyota's entire brand identity is reliability
Reliability? Equal at best these days. Not worth the premium in the used market unless you are going super deep into the 200k plus. But fan bois don't wanna talk about it. You kinda gonna choose which parts of the depreciation/curves you want to own and calculate the lowest cost option.
Off Road. Taco, Runner, Sequoia probably are best in class in stock trim, specially used
Image. We are all doing it one way or the other. It the number one reason you can hardly ever talk someone out of a 'Yota.
I don't think I'm buying people driving Toyota's for the image, at least to any degree that results in the sales numbers Toyota gets for the taco.
Most modern cars are going to start and get you home most of the time, so in that sense I guess I agree it isn't as stark a difference, but I will say the difference between my Wrangler and Tundra over the past 8 years and 100k miles is pretty stark. Both sit around 110k now. Both still run and I love each respectively. But only one still runs and drives like new, and it isn't the Jeep.
Ha...you should see the parking lot at The JaneQuote:
I don't think I'm buying people driving Toyota's for the image
So you are telling me your Jeep is a piece?
That Jeep will get me anywhere my heart desires, and it will rattle, shake and smell like coolant the entire way.
And like its mechanicals, it carries a certain image, a stigma if you will, that doesn't anywhere near as gracefully as a Toyota but will always be there.
not just reliability but they will fix their fuckups long after it seems reasonable
I had a 90 with the 3L V6, they did the headgaskette on warranty after 7 yrs which means they also did the timing belt and the 96K major tuneup/ valve adj all for free which was all a 1500$ bill I would have needed to spend
the new frames on mid 2000 Tacos were a 40hr re & re
recently they took the box off my taco to repalce the fuel pump they said it was recalled
^ Guy should switch to decaf.
Big square fender cutouts over round small round wheels bugs me on so many cars.
The black just makes it look worse
I keep seeing Walter White's pontiac Aztec
https://imgur.com/a/rOsBKUd
This 88 has been my “daily” since I started WFH. 22RE + 5mt. Mechanically sorted, no rust, but needs a paint correction/respray.
edit: so images don't work? Neat. Updated with link to gallery.
Posting a Doug Demuro vid is a violation of TRG Guidelines. Surprised the advanced forum software didn’t remove it immediately. It’s worse than child pr0n.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
It's for emissions. And like it or not, all light trucks & SUVs will go this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
Though it's not a completely new engine. It's the T24A-FTS from the Tacoma, Highlander, and the Lexus RX/TX, and it's very similar to the engine in the Camry and RAV4, so the engine itself is solid (so far).
As AR said, I don't think Toyota is going to trash their reputation for reliability by extracting that much power from it via boost without fairly extensive testing & data. Longevity might be another story. The reason the 5VZ and 1GR run forever is that they don't make any power.
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Originally Posted by grabtindy
Wife and I were discussing/fantasizing future (used) vehicles today for us. What is the future tech like for this class of truck in the plug-in hybrid world?
At last, I'm looking to replace my 2008 Tundra.
The more I look, the more it seems like I want a much older truck. I want a big bed and a small cab. Farm truck.
Where are folks looking these days for 80s and 90s pickup trucks?
AutoTrader seems well past its prime. Is there some listing site like 'real redneck trucks . com' ??
Thanks yall
Craigslist. All kinds of oddball shit in the general category placed by people that skipped right past "cars + trucks." It does cost $5 to place an ad in the cars and truck section.Quote:
Originally Posted by ate'em
1997 F-250 reg cab, looks like an 8' bed. $850
https://boise.craigslist.org/for/d/boise-1997-ford-f250/7738714261.html
I wish the ineos grenedier was not so specialized for off road and had a bit better handling at highway speeds. I haven't driven one, just based on reviews, but its a big boxy sort of updated knockoff land rover defender, made by a billionaire who was salty land rover stopped making thedefender and decided to make his own. It looks very well done, more emphasis on durability than luxury for the interior and very practical, but the steering is optimized for off road, with no power steering auto correct back to center, which is great if you're rock crawling up something off axis and don't want to fight the steering, but means you have to manually recenter the steering wheel after every turn on the road, which would really get old I think.
Its a shame, i get the defender is an off roading legend, but really, true off road specialty vehicles have come a long ways since that design, and a big boxy pretty off road capable defender knockoff is more of a road trip adventure car than a true off roading beast however they design it, its ground clearance and wheel size and wheel base will always limit it.
It could have been a great just general use adventure mobile, but I guess its made by a billionaire that probably never camps out even inside a vehicle.
Isn't it $80k ish?
Ate'em...what are your requirements? Gas or Diesel? 1/2 or 3/4 ton? Budget? Useage?
I'd probably be looking for a 5.3 or 8.1 Chevy from the late 90s. Those things don't die.
66K for a Taco TRD Pro? Get the fuck outta here. That is 70 grand out the door with tax title and tags for a tacoma. I'm sure it is a nice truck and it will be reliable but a Colorado ZR2 is 16 grand cheaper and I already think that is absurd to pay for a mid-size anything.
Where you at? Engineering firm that my buddy works at (Driggs) is selling a bunch of their fleet trucks. Mid 90s Chevys. I wanna buy one, put a snowmobile in the back, and leave it in AK for annual AKApril trip.Quote:
Originally Posted by ate'em
Yea... I guess thats my other gripe, is if they built the vehicle I wanted, the grenadier would be like 60k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
Which is still more than four times any other car I've ever owned, and into the realm of cheap airplanes, but its also not too far off just a new Toyota.
There is some truth to the saying that the best off road vehicle is one that you got for cheap enough you don't have to give a shit about paint and body damage
That’s fucking insane. What’s even worse is that they probably will get sold at $5k-$10k above MSRP for a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
5.3 = it'll be in a half ton, which means the 4L60E automatic. Engine is fine, transmission is OK but expect to rebuild it sometime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
6.0 or 8.1 = it'll be a 3/4 or 1-ton. The 6.0 gets the 4L80E (4-speed), the 8.1 gets the Allison 5-speed. Both are much stronger and more reliable than the 4L60E.
I wholeheartedly recommend a 99-06 2500 6.0 / 4L80E 4WD truck or Suburban.
I knew you'd have the specifics. But yes, among my friends, this is pretty much the agreed beater of choice.Quote:
I wholeheartedly recommend a 99-06 2500 6.0 / 4L80E 4WD truck or Suburban
I knew you'd have the specifics. But yes, among my friends, this is pretty much the agreed beater of choice.Quote:
I wholeheartedly recommend a 99-06 2500 6.0 / 4L80E 4WD truck or Suburban
I guess this is a good price for a taco https://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/d/...740733767.html
A quick look makes it seem like the Chevys are getting a premium now also. https://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/d/...731254915.html
The Grenadier is legit. A few of my friends have them; overbuilt and obviously purposefully engineered as you previously pointed out. Downside is obviously pricing, but I assume they'll be more approachable in a few years as the used market is developed.Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
Aw man, you're gonna make me watch a Doug Demuro video?Quote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
I saw that today on an IG feed. $70 fucking grand for a compact truck that will likely never see dirt from most owners. That is objectively insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider