Great looking binding/ski combo! Think you’ll like them mounted at -3cm. Wasn’t your previous pair closer to center or am I thinking of someone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
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Great looking binding/ski combo! Think you’ll like them mounted at -3cm. Wasn’t your previous pair closer to center or am I thinking of someone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Yep. Mounted on recommended and didn’t jive with them. The Corbetts price was so tempting, I figured I’d give them another go mounted for a less progressive approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
Thought so. Remember thinking “of course he wouldn’t like them there” when progressive 160lb skiers from Blister even like them a min of -2cm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I thought I was at -2.5cm on my first pair but was really -2.25cm and moved the 2nd set back to an actual -2.5cm. Bet I’ll like them even more for my 175lbs there.
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OK - just to add some more info for folks. Demo'd these at the rec line, bought a pair mounted at the directional line...botth are nice. Rec is super nimble and pivoty, directional is still nimble. My prior ski was a black ops sender ti. I do think both lines felt good though - and skied them both in a variety of snow during past few days.
And, for those folks that reallly dig directional traditional skis....I do too. My firm snow ski is a cambered m6 mantra, and have basically always dug that style of ski....really like this sender free 110 though. Just a super fun, natural ski.
I have my Blackops 118's mounted at -4 or -3.5 due to a previous mounter. Do I try them this week at Steamboat or should I get them remounted for -2.
What’s your size and stance? I’d only go -2cm if you’re 160lbs or less and wanted the ski to “ski shorter”. Around the 200lb range and above with a directional style and I’d want to be right where they are currently mounted.Quote:
Originally Posted by scumpup
I’d probably try them out as is for the increased float and stability and only move forward if you found them not as playful as you wanted.
Hmm…that 3rd mount if ya don’t mind doing that I would bump up to -2. Have owned a few pair going back to the original all black with no directional mount line indicator. Wherever that original edition mounting line was ideal. Would be good to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by scumpup
My last pair of the Swamps I had at the progressive line and I’m an old dude…they really felt fine there but noslow has been a great source of info on this. If I had another pair of Swamps I would swag it at 2 back or 5.5 from center.
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Doctor said I was 142lb last week. I'm 5'10 23 years old :)
I ski my Line blade Optic 96's at like -4.5 from center or something.
Love the Mfree 108 at -6 from center. (+2 ish)
Blister says -2.75cm from center, 89.4cm from tail on their OG review. https://blisterreview.com/gear-revie...ignol-blackopsQuote:
Originally Posted by Crystal Skier
I think that's too far forwards though.
If there was a math formula I could use or principals I could use I could take my measurements and all that jazz and nerd it up for a perfect mount point but I don't know where I'd find that.
For 142lbs, you probably would like them more forward than -3.5/-4cm back from the -2.5cm rec then. -2cm/-4.5cm total back would be a safe bet with your size and you liking your other skis mounted in similar spots. .
Would feel like a lot of ski mounted where they are for a 142lb skier I think.
Be sure to measure back from the rec line bump in the ski back 2cm as the other white topsheet lines can sometimes vary a bit.
why not just try them first? They will ski great at -3.5-4, and if you end up not getting on with them there you could always move them up to rec at a later date. Steambot = fairly dry snow right, so the snow - variable or not - should not pose too big of a factor for these.Quote:
Originally Posted by scumpup
I mean, you already have the holes in the skis so you might as well try to learn as much as you can from that mount point as well. They will not ruin your day a cm or a cm and a half back from rec.
For reference, I run my pair at 2 back from rec and really like them there. I've skied them in everything from groomers through variable to deep untracked, and they feel on point across all. Heavy, yeah - but still very good skis imho, it just takes a few runs to get used to the weight (not noticable really at speed in deep snow).
Definitely going to try them first! I can always take them to one of those shops who offer mounting overnight if it's miserable. I just haven't seen anyone ski them at -6cm from center online so I wanted to be prepared. The sidecut of the skis though seem to WANT you to mount them at -5/-6cm from center. It's weird. If I was purely directional I wouldn't care but I do ski switch quite a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
I was just a little nervous because no one online has ever mounted them -3.5/-4 from recommended.
Also they're the only skis I'm bringing on the trip as my bag is holding other people skis on the trip. Shouldn't be an issue since steamboat just got plenty of snow.
oh - my bad - I had a bit of a brain fart and read your post as being -3.5/-4 from center, not rec.
Yeah, going back 3.5 from rec to -6 might be a bit excessive - but, they'll prob ski fine there as well. The main effect might be that the weight of the tips might be a tad more noticable.
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yeah, they def changed the layup for the new SF118 - you can see the mirroring of the SF110's layup in the rubber being moved down from the tips (so air tips in the place of the rubber tips) and the titanal (or grey abs) underfoot.
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Very curious if/how those changes affects how they ski or feel.
Finally got out on my new BO118’s mounted on the rear line (-2/2.5) in proper conditions (8-12” of pow). My previous pair was mounted on the line and I didn’t really jive with them. The mount point change made a HUGE difference to me. No issues with float at all, yet still so agile and playful. I generously detuned the rockered sections and the tails felt so loose in deep snow…quite close to Billy Goat loose. Still felt great on soft groomers with the rearward mount. I really wish I would have tried a remount on my previous pair sooner. Love these things!
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Ain't that the truth. I skied mine yesterday b2b with BGs. I ended up preferring the BO118s in spite of the fresh snow getting denser / warming up through the day, so pretty ideal BG conditions. I kept thinking - man these things are awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Funny you mentioned that. I had my BG’s in the truck. Once we found all the deep stuff up high, my kid swapped his M102’s for his 184 Asym BG’s. I stuck with the BO118’s.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
They share a lot of qualities of the BG (damp, loose in the tail, playful, but deals with heavy snow) but are just more versatile. What was weird is that I noticed how heavy the ski was last year mounted on the line. Yesterday, they didn’t feel heavy or hard to swing around. If anything, I felt I had to resist the urge to make too many turns and tame a bit of the playful nature while charging. Glad I finally figured out this ski. Also, the 186-cm length was fine for me at 5’ 8” and 200-lbs. Feel sorry for taller/bigger guys since this ski is so dialed.
Glad to hear that Bandit and kid are loving the Blackops 118! They really are great.
Had mine out this week after starting the Spring like day on my 21 CT 1.0, then 184cm Sender Free 110 skis. Got beat up before lunch and then started to refreeze a bit when temps started to fall again.
Was impressed how well the SF 110 was in the heavy, then refrozen snow but did notice some tip noise against the frozen snow and wondered if the Airtip was at fault. After switching to the BO 118 the last few hours and still hearing a similar noise, I was relieved to know it was just incredibly noisy snow. So should be okay still on the SF 118 when it comes out too I think.
Just saw this video of Logan on the SF 118 in Revelstoke.
https://youtu.be/bw2FPAUrJ9A?feature=shared
Some stoke from Baker Boyd skiing the 118s. He says in the comments that he likes them at -4 to -5 from true centre.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3RLL...RmZjcwZmVxb3pw
I only took my blackops 118 on my trip to steamboat. They were good in everything that wasn't ice, but man they were HOOKY in bumps. I had them at -4 from recommended at first (previous mount) and moved them up to -1.5 from recommended. I ditched my poles and had a blast sending everything I could. If the hooking was smoothed out I would think they're perfect. Never had an issue with tip diving or anything, I probably could have skied them on the line. They were a little tiring to ski but I have a very lazy style so I was able to manage.
Those Heritage FR110 might be superior skis for my taste since they don't hook (no camber), or I'll also look to try those new Dynastar M-Free 112's since they have closer to center mounting. I LOVE the mfree 99's and 108s, it was just the mount point that stopped me.
5'10 140lbs 23 yrs old.
Serviceable skis for someone with my build, but it feels like the older crowd would be better off with a more traditional heavy ski.
Definitely sounds like a tune issue as they are quite surfy when flat and a blast in bumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by scumpup
Sounds like an edge high ski that needs a stone grind with a decent amount of passes to flatten the base and then make sure the base bevel is uniform tip/tail at 1 degree. Should be transformed after that.
word. will give it a go.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
Ski Barn in Wayne, NJ is supposed to be good if you’re close to there. Tell the tech you think the ski might be edge high so they do enough passes to flatten them.Quote:
Originally Posted by scumpup
Something is just registering for me now.... you have these skis mounted at -2cm from center or from recommended?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I'm just surprised because if I'm not mistaken you tend towards directional skis in general?
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I went -2-cm from recommended, so about -5-cm from true center. It’s a bit surprising to me, too. I still really enjoy driving skis like my K108 and M102 in appropriate conditions, but have also clicked with skis like the BO118, Sender 110, and Blade Optic 114 (the first two with a slightly rearward mount) in softer conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
I blame KC. His promotion of all these youthful, progressive style skis has me all mixed up. [emoji6]
I also blame KC, but he just bought mindbender 108ti and seems to like mounting a little further back!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Everything is all mixed up!
I remember you sold some reckoner 112 recently and I wonder if you gave those another shot with this new feedback from the BO118 if you would feel differently about them?
I like my katanas at -11 and I like my reckoners at -5... go figure!
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Honestly the length is what has kept me from trying them. A 190 sounds like it would be a fun ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Just scored a pair of the 98’s and agree the line is way forward. Probably need to move them at least -2. Weird, day one I was infatuated with this ski, but I’m about day 6 or 7 now and not so much. Might need a tune or a rest.
What don't you like?
I think mostly the 182 just skis a bit short mounted so far forward. We got a bunch of snow that was layered up with different density. I wished I had been on something with a bit more float than a 98, not the skis fault. I always want my middle quiver ski to push up towards 6-8 inches as I hate over gunning conditions with the big boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRainey
I also got pretty tired and that never helps, just hit it too hard over four days and was sloppy by the end. The Black Ops aren’t going anywhere I just need a reset. At their best what I really enjoy about them is the flex and rocker profile gives them a little pop and playfulness, but when you stomp down on them underfoot you can still engage the short radius and ride out some mean crud.
5’10” 165lbs directional skier. Purchased a pair of 186cm BO118s after loving my 184cm SF110s. I mounted the BO118s at -5.5cm from center. My SF110s are mounted closer to -7.5cm.
Today was my first day on the BOs. Conditions were 6” of heavy new snow. They felt electric. Absolutely love this ski. It had me giggling with delight. It’s an amazing combination of stability and playfulness. The biggest surprise was how little I noticed the weight (I don’t spin).
Love this and agree 100%. For all the "these are the heavy skis ever!" talk, they sure do disappear under your feet, don't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cagey
Love the “giggle through crud/tracked snow” feeling of the BO 118 too. So fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cagey
Curious about the -4.25cm from rec mount on the 184cm Sender Free 110. Thought I was far back at -3cm on that ski.
Have had a larger buddy skiing the BO 118 around -3.75cm without issue. Skis longer with good float but still playful for them at that spot.
Regarding the -7.5cm mount on my 184 SF110s, I’ve been really happy. I was told by a shop I trust that this was the spot that a bunch of their affiliated riders were gravitating towards. I was skeptical but trusting, and I gotta say I couldn’t be happier. I appreciate the support on the front of the ski. It’s damp. It mobs. It wants to play. It will hold an edge in a big GS turn. That said it doesn’t want to make tight turns, it would rather slarve them. Not sure how this would change with a different mount.
Palisades is my home mountain. I’m not sure how much of the rec for this mount was based on the need to get some additional float our heavier snow.
That mount would definitely make them float well, be nice and stable and ski longer. Could definitely see larger skiers who want the shorter 184cm length for tighter spots to like them around -3cm to -4cm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cagey
Was on my SF 110 on Tuesday in spring conditions on a smaller hill and still impressed by their ability to make tight carves once you give them a bit of speed. Find they have an even lower “min speed” than my old 21 CT 184cm CT 3.0 did and as the softer tips/tails are easier to bend.
Still deciding if I’m bringing the BO 118 or SF 110 as the wider of 2 skis on a month long trip to Banff(Sunshine/Lake Louise/Kicking Horse) and Revelstoke. Will have to see the forecasts when I go next week but I’m sure either would kill it!
Just got my first real day on my new Blackops 118, mounted -2.5 from recommended, or -5 from true centre. In pow, they are a ton of fun. They bounce and slash and feel plenty nimble in trees. On harder snow, they’re a bit weird. I can’t drive the tips to initiate a carve. And they’re grabby on groomers, in spite of dulling the tips and tails past the rocker point.
But overall, really fun pow skis. I still like my 182 M-Free 108s better, as long as conditions don’t warrant more float.