Light(ish) with big old school knobs - Terrene Chunk with the light casing. Comes in 27.5 & 29 x 2.3 and 3.0. Also comes in a tough casing if you're sloppy or ride bruiser terrain.
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Light(ish) with big old school knobs - Terrene Chunk with the light casing. Comes in 27.5 & 29 x 2.3 and 3.0. Also comes in a tough casing if you're sloppy or ride bruiser terrain.
Ha ha. Touche'Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
Our worry is that we find everyone's on short travel 29ers because nothing's tight/steep/technical and they're all just rolling along carefree on sanitized hiking trails. That was the impression I got from Empty Beer. Taken with a grain of salt though.
That's eMpTy BeeR for you. :nonono2:Quote:
Originally Posted by jm2e
I mean... you *could* ride just buffed 3-foot-wide singletrack if you choose to.
NTTAWWT
I now have a week of riding on the 27.5 x 2.6 Butcher. I'm a fan. It feels like a normal tire, and cornering grip is great. No downsides as far as I can tell.
Anybody on the Aggresor or tomahawk? Thinking it be nice to have a middle ground tread option vs semi slick since I will be struggling on the tech climbs once I move back east
I had an Aggressor on in back over the winter (Slaughter is back on now). It rolls a bit slower than the Slaughter but still quite well. I was happy with the grip. It may be a little drifter than the Slaughter when leaned over, but I was happy. It also wore very well. It's a good goldilocks tire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Dunfee
Cool! Good feedback. Is the slaughter the only semi slick you've used? Have been on both that and the Rock Razor now, which I'm amazed to say I am on my second season on without every knob having crumbled into dust. For some reason I feel like the slaughter was a little faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by D(C)
I've ridden the Tomahawk and Slaughter. I sort of feel like if it's dry enough for the Tomahawk I'd rather go for the slaughter. Rolls a little faster, maybe better cornering grip; neither had great grip when upright.Quote:
Originally Posted by D(C)
I've got an Aggressor and a Minion SS to try out in the rear with a couple minion DHF 3C fronts, they are both the harder Dual Compound with tightly spaced tread blocks. Going to try the Aggressor on my suspension bike with Flow Mk3's, and the minion SS on my hardtail with WTB KOM i25's. People have been saying the minion SS's should be used on rims that aren't super wide, because on wide rims the side knobs will flair out and drag too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Dunfee
Keep in mind the Tomahawk is softer 3C maxx terra, with open block spacing, I don't think it would be that great as a rear tire - I'd rather have it in the front, with something really fast in the rear like a 2.2 Ikon.
If you insisted on trying the 2.3" Tomahawk 3C in the rear, I bet it would pair well with the 2.3 Shorty 3C, due to them both being open treads. Good in moist loose terrain, or dry with lots of loose and texture. They also offer two casing options on each tire, so you could run normal 1-ply front / Exo rear for light weight, or Exo front / DD rear for heavy duty use.
I'm on an Aggressor now, and like it. Had a Tomahawk last me 3 months the summer before last. Loved the Rock Razor last summer. I'll probably thow one on for the summer again. Looks like Schwalbe recently updated their compounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Dunfee
I'm about to try the SS dual compound on the the back, matched up with a High Roller 2 up front. The SS is a 27.5x2.3, EXO weighing in at 745g. This should speed up the rolling resistance in the rear. This will be my dry and dusty Colorado tire. Im currently running a High Roller 2 on front and back right now up in Whistler/Pemberton whee its still wet and tacky.
I just replaced my WT DHR2 with an Aggressor (on 31.8 LB rims). Only 1 ride so far last night, but it felt good so far. It seemed to roll/climb a bit better on the fire road section (judging by Strava times and how high I went up a down->up before having to pedal hard). On the downhill which is loose over hard, it seemed to brake a bit better. The trail isn't conducive to really leaning over, but cornering felt as good as the Minion. Anyways, this is just from 1 ride, and the thing is still brand new, but so far pretty happy with it.
Thinking of trying the Forekaster to replace my HR2 in the rear for similar reasons (looking for something lighter/faster/still grippy). Would be paired with a DHF up front. A little worried about durability since it's 120 TPI (at least in 29x2.35) but I'm usually not that hard on tires.
Is the Aggressor not just another Ardent/Purgatory/Nobby Nic?
I guess I'm just lucky in that I just don't care enough about speed to sacrifice traction.
No, it has actual lugs.
FWIW, I hated the Nobby Nic. That thing slid all over the place and spun out constantly on climbs. Second ride on the Aggressor also felt great. Cornering felt no different than the DHR, no issues spinning out, and I noticed again on a few down-then-up sections that I've ridden dozens of times that I coasted further before having to pedal. So far, it's been all win-win.Quote:
Originally Posted by jm2e
Nobby Nic is a great rear tire for about 5 short rides.
IME
Have been running a 26x2.3 DHF 3C/EXO/TR and 26x2.3 Aggressor DC/EXO/TR for a couple rides now. Last ride was 23/27 psi, on 29mm internal Flow MK3. Such an awesome combo - tons of grip, precise, light for what they are, great cornering, climbing and braking. Aggressor rolls fast and still grips. Awesome rough trail riding setup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU137N1hvAY
I think that'll be my setup once these Schwalbes break off... going on 11 months with the same tires and they're STILL going... The Germans must have effed up this batch somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian Sanders
Think it's worth getting the double down casing on the rear? Don't feel like I need casing that gnarly but wanna be able to head out for occasional east coast bike park day
From that video and various Richie Rude bike checks, it looks he (205 lb) runs the 27.5x2.3 Aggressor DC/DD/TR @ 30+ psi, with a 27.5x2.5 Minion DHF 3C Maxx Grip (DH compound) DD/TR @ high 20's psi. That's on EX511 rims, 30mm internal. Last year he ran a EX471 (25mm) in the rear with a EX511 front. He also runs the 27.5x2.5 Shorty 3C Maxx Grip DD/TR front and 27.5x2.3 Griffin 3C Maxx Terra DD/TR rear together or mixed with the DHF or Aggressor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Dunfee
IMHO, that's a heck of alot of tire, very nearly a full on DH setup, used on DH rims. With relatively high pressures. For example, the wire bead DH version of the DHF in the same size and compound is only 220g heavier (1170g vs. 1390g claimed). The Aggressor DD is 1050g in 27.5x2.3, so a bit more reasonable, but definitely a heavy tire. Obviously he's one of the fastest and most aggressive enduro racers in the world, and he's running into things really hard, so it's appropriate.
I wouldn't want to pedal around a setup like that for normal rocky trail riding, too heavy and you get a rolling resistance penalty with the heavier casings and very soft compound front tire. Running a DHF EXO casing and 3C max terra in the front is far more reasonable. The DD casing in the rear is a tough call - if you're running lower pressures in the rear, to where there's a threat of pinch flatting the tire and a stiffer casing would help, a DD casing is going to roll like a boat anchor. An EXO with appropriate pressure to prevent flats in normal riding is going to roll much better. The only time the DD makes sense to pedal up and down is if you ride aggressively enough (like Richie) on rough terrain, and run higher pressures, that you need the heavy casing.
Personally I wouldn't trail ride with a DD casing, nor would I seriously ride park with EXO casing tires. For actual bike park use, I'd say it's a better move to get a set of full on DH tires and just swap them in for park use if it's only a few times a season. Or if you have a spare wheelset, set it up for DH use.
A few rides in now on the 26 x 2.8 DHF and DHRII. Front only. Prior tire is a Magic Mary, which I quite like everywhere I've had it so far. Minimal weight difference.
Faster rides with a bunch of climbing? Meh. Not seeing much advantage, unless you feel a shit ton more rolling resistance is an advantage. Not absurdly terrible, but feels as if there is a DH tire on the front of the bike all the time. Even though they don't actually weigh that much. Granted, these aren't the fastest rolling tires even in their skinnier versions. Both have a ton of grip/traction/whatever you want to call it for some of our slower/techier riding. For that stuff they've been pretty excellent!
Not sold on them to have on for daily driver riding, but will give them some more time. Running ~ 16psi if my compressor can be believed. Upping pressure seems like it would defeat the purpose of having that big-ass tire up there.
Am going to leave the DHRII on the front of the trail wheels with a Bontrager 2.35 XR4 rear, and give the DHF a shot for the front of the DH set, paired with a DHRII DH 2.4 in back. This has been on my Nomadc3. Will try them as well on the little bike and see how they feel.
Not sold on the + thing just yet, but I'm also still on 26" stuff, and tire choices for + there sorta' suck.
Check out the 26x2.5 Shorty 3C/EXO/TR, but it's also on the overkill side for most riding. There's also a 26x2.5 DHF 3C/EXO (non TR), it's sized by their old sizing method, which puts it slightly at bigger than the current 2.3". Then there's also several versions of the DHR2 in 26x2.40 EXO.Quote:
Originally Posted by scrublover
This year, I'm rocking a Kenda Nevagal 2.35 up front and a Maxxis Ardent 2.2 out back since every trail where I live is dry as desert
That sounds terrible.
Actually its doing pretty well for me. And the grip is a massive step up from the really terrible stock tires that came on the new bike, and weight is no real factor for my size, anyway, though the Nevegal sorta rolls like a plus tire.
Check out the 2.3 DHF, it rolls pretty well in the 3C max terra, and really well in the DC compound.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZackDaley
Nah, I'm good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian Sanders
Have tried several variations of DHF over the years, and like it. But find I prefer the Magic Mary, particularly up front.
Rear tire preference on the back of the Nomad is a DHRII 2.3 for daily driver duties. I do like the 2.4 DH version of it for the rear on lift days/the DH wheelset. Thunder Mtn. for some lift time tomorrow, so I'll see how that 2.8 DHF does on the front there.
Otherwise, XR4, a Speci Ground Control, a couple Nobby Nics I picked up supah' cheap are all in the rear tire rotation usually on the little bike, with the Magic Mary up front.
My hardtail has a Dirt Wizard front/WTB Ranger rear combo that's been working pretty well.
Not a fan of the HRII, and have a couple in 2.3 and 2.4 versions to get rid of.
OK then, just pointing out for those who are interested that there a few larger 26" tires that are good front tires for rough terrain and more reasonable all around trail riding choices than a plus tire. While there may not be many 26+ options, there are many very good modern options in tires that are still very large. And if you're going to run 26" wheels, why wouldn't you run reasonably sized tires that allow the maneuverability of 26" to shine?Quote:
Originally Posted by scrublover
The Shorty and the Magic Mary are very similar, and some people like the shorty better. They come in 26x2.3 and 26x2.5, 3C/EXO/TR and pair well with a 2.3 or 2.4 DHF2. I own the 2.5 shorty.
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/to...d-one-knockout
The DHR2 is also available in two 26x2.4 versions that are potentially interesting for front tire trail use. One is 3C maxxterra/TR/EXO, the other is ST (Supertacky 42a)/EXO. As far as I know, the supertacky 42a version is the only single ply/exo kevlar bead tire available in the super soft ST 42a compound - great for wet, firm, rocky conditions or tons of dry rock where maximum grip is needed. I own both tires, along with a 26x2.3 DHR2 DC/EXO/TR.
That said, the absolute best all around 26" front trail tire is the Minion DHF 26x2.3 3C Maxx Terra EXO/TR. Awesome all around when paired with any DC compound 2.3" maxxis in the rear (DHF, DHR2, Aggressor, Minion SS, etc).
Is the Aggressor really that much different than an Ardent? Because I think the Ardent is a waste of time. How much traction does the Aggressor give up vs a DHRII?
Did you mean 2.5? The 2.3 DHF is super skinny... the 2.5 is about the same actual width as a 2.3 DHR2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian Sanders
I'm with you though, I'm running a 2.5" DHF 3C in front and a 2.3" DHR2 DC in back and see absolutely no reason to change.
It's nothing like the Ardent.Quote:
Originally Posted by jm2e
The Aggressor is only available in 2.3 / DC, so you really have to compare it to the same version of the DHR2, not a 2.4 or 2.3 3C version.
So vs. the same size/compound DHR2, the Aggressor is faster rolling, better climbing traction, tracks better, and very similar cornering. The DHR2 has higher limits braking.
Aggressor vs. the same size/compound DHF - pretty much the same observations, but the DHF rolls better than the DHR2, not as good as the Aggressor.
Yes, quite a bit different.Quote:
Originally Posted by jm2e
This is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by jm2e
Some. The Aggressor rolls faster, doesn't brake quite as hard, and doesn't lock into corners quite as well. On a 1-10 scale of all around grip and traction, I'd put an Ardent at 4-ish, an Aggressor at 6 or 7, and a DHRII at 8 or 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by jm2e
Hmmmmmm. I'm not sure about the DHF in 27.5 or 29, but the new style 26x2.30 minion DHF measures true to size at the knobs on a reasonable width rim, maybe even a bit more, and it uses exactly the same casing as the 26x2.30 dhf2 and aggressor. The 26x2.5 DHF is per their old sizing, it is only very slightly larger than new 2.30, maybe like a 2.35 or 2.4 on their new sizing. The old style 2.35 is significantly smaller than new 2.3 size.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
I've got a new style 26x2.5WT Shorty, and it's gigantic in comparison. They may eventually offer a new sizing 26x2.5 DHF, I would have rather seen that than the new 26x2.8 tires.
So, pairing a 26x2.5 old DHF with a 2.3 new DHR2 is reasonable and a great setup for rocky riding. I've been running various configurations of 26x2.30 maxxis front and rear for 4 years now, they are all the same measured size.
On a side note, the much maligned old style "narrow" 26x2.35 DHF kevlar really isn't a bad tire for what it is. It's about 700g, is about 2.2" on maxxis's current sizing, has a nice compliant casing (not tubeless ready), and the single compound 60a maxxpro is a grippy, long wearing compound. Only issue is it's not tubelss ready and the sidewalls are not very well reinforced, it will not stand up to low pressures or rough riding in sharp rocks.
Gotcha. I'm talking about 26" - I didn't realize there was a "new" 26" DHF where they fixed the sizing. So I'm running the 26x2.5 old DHF and 2.3 new DHR2 and they're very similar in size.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian Sanders
There isn't really. The old 2.35 is just 2.3, and is comparable to a 2.1 from anyone else. I've got a 2.5 dhf and a 2.3 slaughter on my bike and I think the slaughter is actually a little bigger. The 2.4s are about the only accurate ones.....and yes they're bigger than any 2.5 they make.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
Beasts who can stand up and smash their way up on single speeds seem to really like Ardents, and having ridden one, I guess I can see why, but there are so many better tires out there for the rear. Unless every ride is standing up and smashing your way up loose stuff on a single speed.
If you like to sit and spin, the Slaughter almost seems to speed up when you hit loose sections. Weirdest thing, but it feels like the rolling resistance just drops away when you hit loose-over-hard. Still brakes surprisingly well in it on the way down. A lot like a BBG!
Yeah, that's a really good combo, I've considered picking up a 2.5 DHF 3C EXO myself, but then I'd have too much "quiver overlap" in my tire collection.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
Ehhhhh....I've got many sizes of 26" Minion DHF at home, multiple examples of each, and the old 2.35" is NOT the same as the new 2.30". Its much closer to what I said in my post above, where the new 2.30" measures between the old 2.35" and 2.5". The ETRTO width of the 2.35" is 52mm, but I'd say it looks a lot like a 2.2" by any classical reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
Not only that, maxxis reps have publicly confirmed the sizing change several years ago. All new 26", 27.5", and 29" maxxis tires released in the last 3-4 years or so comply with the new sizing. You can even see the difference in the ETRTO's listed on the maxxis website.
http://www.maxxis.com/catalog/tire-468-121-minion-dhf
This is a thing. Hope everybody is fully confused now
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oh yeah?
It was a bunch of stuff about 26" tires.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
Which you knew before I wrote that.