Congrats. The K116 is so dreamy in the soft stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
Wren 98 in a 189 should be a ripper, too.
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Congrats. The K116 is so dreamy in the soft stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
Wren 98 in a 189 should be a ripper, too.
You have done well. Congratulations on a fine NZ season.Quote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
I came back yesterday from 3 days of hard and fast skiing at Craigieburn realising that I could do with a 98 Wren. Are you likely to get your hands on a pair before you leave NZ? If you do, please let us know how you go - and if they evade NZ Customs...
Hey IB, no chance of me getting any before leaving NZ. Here for another month. Who knows if I will get them in the end - I'm very price sensitive - and there is no shortage of very good deals on very good skis out there. But the BG success does motivate me to look more at on3p, and I like their custom options.
Me too (price sensitive, that is). I would like a 100'ish charger, built strong enough to handle NZ, and from a company I can relate to.Quote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
Have always been keen to try the Wren, and the 98 sounds superb. Scott and co sound like good people, and you even get free shipping to NZ, but 15% GST and a NZ$100 extra slap for "handling/transaction" from NZ Customs hurt.
How have your BGs stood up to the abuse? Any shark encounters in the heli backcountry?
Suck up the customs charge. Fact of life. No one owes anyone anything. Unfair Universe. etc :) By comparison, shipping to Japan from the US is usually $100, with no customs charge. So if they ship international for free, get them shipped to JP and pick them up there this season. Unmounted skis pack nice and easy, so you'd be able to take them back to NZ without extra baggage.
Durability: I collected a few rocks in lower slower areas, but nothing savage by luck, could have hit way more. Saw some other skis get really hurt. I'd say for the hits I took, they are plenty durable.
Hands down the most durable skis I've been on. I've had 4 pairs and yet to have a single core shot, whereas Squaw / Alpine have done a number on various Blizzards, Volkls, Salomons, etc that I've skied.
Happy to pay a little more knowing the odds of paying for repair work and stone grinds goes way down.
I agree on durability of my BG. Rode rocks at mammoth that have destroyed other skis and only small scratches.
I blasted a shark on my steeple 112s last year, and flew out of my bindings. I was positive there would be a core shot, but when I looked there was nothing.. Also my 2014 Viciks have over 40 days on them, and they look like my brand new k2s that haven't been skied yet, but have just been bumped around in storage.. Tiny base scratches, and tiny top sheet scuffs.
However, I wish On3p would put those cool textured top sheets on all their skis, but that is the last thing on my mind when buying a ski. They have done limited runs of this, I hope it becomes standard in the near future.
Spoken like a true scholar. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
Not sure the direction we will settle on, but I will vouch for the fact that the new bevel that the factory boys have been doing since mid-last season is BOMBER when compared to our old methods. Top sheet edge chips have been drastically cut down.Quote:
Originally Posted by aevergreene
Same here (base durability). I've caught a shark with my Goats so hard that I thought I sprained my ankle. Barely any evidence of the "hit". ON3Ps are bomber in this regard.
Now, if there were an edge this durable ... although you likely wouldn't be able to sharpen it ;-)
...Thom
Edges made from Captain Americas shield..
Vibranium or whatever
Dub post for older model stoke
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Those older BGs are much more rockered than mine. What's to the left of them?
I think you are seeing the CD rocker as the skis are in different order in that second shot ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
I think we have the same BGs.. I have 2015sQuote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
Ya I switched it up because I opened that door the viciks are sitting on in the first pic. In the rocker profile pic, order from left to right is
2016 189 steeple 102
2015 191 Billy Goat
2016 193 C&D
2014 186 Vicik
Yep, I think he just thought your CD's in the second pic were the BG's. The mold hasn't changed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aevergreene
Also, Aevergreene...Scott or I will email you about your other question you sent in regarding those Steeples. Expect something by tomorrow.
:nonono2: 101 of posting quiver pics is maintaining the same order for topsheet and rocker shots. Fucker. :cussing: :fm:
I maybe have 2015 BGs? But with topo top sheet.
The RES really shows up on the Steeples. Pity it doesn't come in 102 any more.
Whoops!
So is Seth getting on your sticks or what?
hey Powtron, did you guys hang onto the 102 molds? I know everyone is stoked about the 108 steeple with the BG layup, but the 102 with an inbounds layup always sounded better to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
semantics!
It would be pretty awesome if On3p made a line of Inbounds RES skis setup like the Kartel series, like a Billy Goat 108, 116, 124. Maybe sell more cease and desists if they were badged as Billy Goats too..Quote:
Originally Posted by ghosthop
I'm still dreaming of the 196 Billy Goat.. With the new RES shape, I bet it would be phenomenal.
How does the Steeple 102 ski compared to the Kartel 106?
For inbounds jibbing, or if you just want good edge grip combined with the maneuverability of a jib ski, go Kartel.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
Steeples are directional, although switch skiing can be done, but not big switch landings.. I haven't skied them, but have skied Billy goats and steeple 112s. RES is loose, like full rocker loose, but more along the lines of Katanas or hojis, where its super loose when needed but will also bite when needed.. Although RES has a totally different feel, and no wheelie effect.. It's just ready to do whatever, whenever, and it's far from traditional.
It depends on whether you want a relatively thin, light, directional, 3D snow ski.. Or a wide, damp, bidirectional park/all mountain ski.
You are literally talking about 3mm here. Look at that on a ruler.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghosthop
Hey Scott, I really want a Billy Goat, but in a 187, and 110mm underfoot, and 1mm more camber, but 2mm less tail rocker, and a layup halfway between the tour and standard, and weighs 7lb per pair, and I want it to tickle my nuts when I turn left. You should totally add that to your catalog.
No a blown up billy goat to 124 waist with all dimensions
If it ain't broke don't fix it
Can my skis be different than ^those assholes? That's really all I want
The steeple 102 won't have the new RES design for this year.. So I bet the new steeple 108 is as good on firm as the 102, but better in pow.
Just customize that in a standard layup. Having that option is amazing as is.
I know. It is emotional bias. You get an ideal picture in your head - for whatever reason - and you want every ski to then fit that image.Quote:
Originally Posted by shroom
Put me on that list, cept 2mm more tail rocker, 189, and I'm gonna need it to tickle my nuts when I turn any direction and always when I'm riding switchQuote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
Fuck that. I want a nut tickle on right turns only. I don't care if it requires an entirely different mold! Also, can I get that in 187.5 cm? That extra 1/2 cm will provide a ton of stability.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
I find on most days it's not the skis that hold me back.
Is there camber underfoot on the Steeples?Quote:
Originally Posted by aevergreene
How do they perform in hard conditions or groomers? Tight trees and chutes?
There is camber underfoot on the steeple 102, quite a bit. More than the steeple 112, and much more than a Billy Goat.. About as much as my viciks. Flex wise, they aren't too far off the vicik either, but they do weigh about a pound lighter per pair, so the softer the snow, the more the steeple will shine.. It's definitely a soft snow shape, and most people are not in the market for a 100mm powder ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
For hard conditions, and groomers, the Kartel series will hands down be better. The sidecut is simply more "normal".. For tight trees and chutes, they will be both equally as good, it just depends on the snow conditions.. For powder, 3D snow, and soft manky crud, the steeple will be a lot less hooky and maneuverable, and feel more predictable as well..
Thanks, interesting ^^^
If you plan on using them for hard pack, go Kartel.
Are you still looking for a ski? I think you'd like the wren 102 from last year.. It's almost gone, grab one quick.
Yeah Evo had a decent sale price on the 15/16 Wrens a couple weeks ago so my stepson picked up a pair 445 shipped. Sold out now I think.
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Bergs Ski Shop has them online