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Just came up the hill and there was a good long delay at the tunnels as always. Wish they had just blown the mtn up removing the tunnels. There are a number of other similar spots where this was obviously done when the hwy was built. Was this ever considered by CDOT?
I’ve heard that it’s a bighorn corridor, so they want to keep it intact.
Makes sense. I've seen bighorns around that area quite often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cold_Smokin'
I-70 Twin Tunnels Westbound Project Schedule
March 2014 – Reduce eastbound I-70 to 2 lanes
April 2014 – Eastbound I-70 moves onto detour route and westbound I-70 into eastbound tunnel
April 2014 - August 2014 – Tunnel blasting and rock cut blasting above both tunnel portals
December 2014 – Westbound tunnel widening work complete
December 2014 – January 2015 – Lane closures to finish wall and barrier construction
September 2015 – County Road 314 restored and retaining walls and trailhead enhancements in place
That's gonna be fun. The traffic this summer has been beyond awful in that area. Basically, looks like we're looking at another full ski season and following summer of I-70 being completely fucked at the twin tunnels.
Could be done in off hours, no? ie Temporary lane closures?
Couldn't they blow up the ridge and replace with a wildlife tunnel or overpass?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cold_Smokin'
With all that work and blasting they've probably already scared them all off, no?
Removing the existing ridge over the current tunnels would be more expensive, more time consuming and produce more delays than the current project and the end result would still be the same- 3 lanes of traffic in each direction. Removing the ridge to only put back a wildlife tunnel or overpass is even more cost prohibitive. In my professional opinion, the current concept of widening the existing tunnels is the best solution.
EDIT- It's important to remember that when the I70 corridor was initially constructed through areas where entire hillsides and ridges were removed, it wasn't necessary to simultaneously maintain four lanes of existing traffic through those areas. As soon as maintaining existing traffic flow is factored into the project, the logistics of the project become quite different.
Like CMsummit said, that’s more work in the long term. That is a massive block of rock to remove. The current plan is the most efficient and cost effective way available.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
I think they should get aggressive and do 3 permanent lanes (not this tight shoulder bullshit) E & W to US40 one summer and be done with it. Combine it with chain and AWD/4WD enforcement and 70 isn’t a complete shitshow.
Either way you cut it, it’s a big time consuming construction project, and traffic WILL suck until the work is done. There really is no way around it.
I totally agree...I'm sick of the back ups going down Floyd Hill on the way out too...AwfulQuote:
Originally Posted by Cold_Smokin'
WTF!!!
MF'ers quite driving in the left lane for your whole trip. These azzholes are just
completely clueless in the clouds or complete self absorbed azzholes
I just passed about 14 cars while in the right lane going approaching Eisenhower and when I got to first car
there was plenty of room to merge over in front of him.... interestly (predictably) open roads both lanes
after this wackoff
This is what drives me insane...people like this are such sheep, self entitled, azzholes or cluelessQuote:
Originally Posted by MiCol
^something is wrong with these people.. who are they? I have made signs to flash
now. hope it doesnt get me road raged. I have "UR Drivin Sux", "Get OUT of Left Lane",
and "F U" (more professional than fingr) in case there is some dialogue after cue card 1 or 2 has been displayed.
I always wanted to get one of those scrolling LED signs to put in my back window to program such messages once I get in front of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiCol
On a side note. There was a shred of hope when I was heading south on I-25 near Thornton today. An Adams County sheriff's Forensic van pulled a dude over douching it out in the left lane going the speed limit and not passing. However, it didnt last long as not a mile later I came up on a Toyota Yaris doing a couple mph less than everyone else. Baby steps I guess.
^nice idea!
I usually just flash incessantly and if they refuse to move over, pass on the right and hold my horn down for ten seconds while giving the "wtf" look. And it's not that I'm speeding - they're going under the speed limit in the left...
^^ fortunately my last trip up and back was made in wee morning hours and then past 10pm so all was well for the most part. I have been flashing brights, passing right lane, almost did a shoulder pass , but I wont risk the douchyness nor law breakin. It is not that I'm in a great hurry but that my 4 banger cyl needs momentum to get up these hills. the left lane squatters can keep me from maintaining 65 and push me to 40 with no hope of building back the speed.
I have also thought about LED
After 7 years on the Epic pass I finally went with the RMSP+. I think the main deciding factor was the 11 hour drive home from Beaver Creek at the end of last season. Nothing better than missing an epic 15" dump because you are sitting in the truck all day. It got to the point where I never went out to Vail/BC because of the 6-8 hour total driving time, Breck isn't worth the xtra drive and they charge to breathe the air, I've ridden the sh*t out of crowded Keystone and the Basin is well..the basin. And you get to spend hours in traffic.
Hopefully WP will be a bit better, and worse comes to worse I can split in Berthoud. I'm sure alot of people are making the switch since they added Eldora and some CB days to the already decent line up. If that doesn't work out I'll go loveland, and after that I guess just go 100% backcountry.
I've lived here in the FR for 8 years now and every year it gets exponentially worse. Hell it even takes me like an half hour + to cross the length of Boulder. They are saying by 2040 the metro population is going to go up 50%. Based on all the construction I'm guessing that's going to happen.
And as side note...they should be ticketing anyone that doesn't have the right vehicle's tires etc. for the weather. I know that's not possible of course, but most of the bad weather traffic is caused by some idiot with spinning front wheel tires. Get chains / studs/ winter tires / 4x4 or stay the F home. And as everyone stated it's the people braking or trying to speed that are helping to cause the backups as well. Going up on the weekends honestly isn't even fun anymore.
Current 70 travel is JACKED with all the construction. Backups in Vail, tunnel, Dumont, and twin tunnels.
Guys, I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The sooner that TABOR becomes a thing of the past, the sooner Colorado's roads will not be in such terrible condition.
Seriously
I know, it's crazy...like every ten miles another closed lane, backup.Quote:
Originally Posted by montanaskier
lots of good points, but this takes the cake, your attitude is shared by thousands, but the flaw'd logic is, you give up on the weekend drive and two other people who just got here take your place, then after a couple years they too give upQuote:
Originally Posted by Scotty1974
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Originally Posted by WTF is dat
You're right. I'll be taking two cars permanently off the roads when I leave the state if that happens.
Im not as concerned with physical road conditions but more the drivers on the roads. I can tell you that giving idiots 3 lanes and a smooth surface really doesn't make the struggles of driving any better. With 3 lanes you simply get trucks clogging the far right. The idiots driving slower than trucks sitting in middle lane and the "me, me, me" clowns clogging the left lane taking 5 miles to pass the center lane turds and many times not moving to center once they have cleared said turds.Quote:
Originally Posted by WTF is dat
I think some remedial online driving classes should be sent out quarterly to all Colorado licensed drivers. Or a pilots style checklist that must be completed before being able to renew auto plates and registration. Low to no cost and it would do wonders.
The more I have to slow and lose momentum , the harder I have to press on the gas to get back to the speedlimit. That pressing on the gas takes fuel consumption way up and when applied across the board to all drivers is a huge needless waste of fossil fuels that could be corrected by educating the idiot drivers.
Also, I wonder if anyone ever contemplates the real cost of a "local" pass for front rangers taking into account the cost of fuel.
Pass may = $579 but if they drive solo from Front Range to vail in low mpg TRD truck the real cost is +$60 in fuel per visit. So,
40 days solo adds $2,400 to cost of a pass. Maybe if they carpool they can get that down. But with the first example front
rangers are really spending $3,000 a year for a pass to ski ....
Why can't people pass trucks safely? There's no need to go 40 in the left while passing a truck...
Do you understand what TABOR has done to this state? The fact that there is no money in the budget for any projects, and not just CDOT?? Tabor is crippling the state of ColoradoQuote:
Originally Posted by stevesmith7
but, fine... If you are ok with Colorado ranking 48th in the nation for higher education funding, 47th in K-12 funding, and 44th in what it spends to repair roads.... Yeah TABOR is great.
Suck my TABOR BALLS!
Giving the State purse strings to a bunch of liberal douchebags is sure to cure all the State's ills. We can change Denver's name to Detroit!
sorry, but thats not trueQuote:
Originally Posted by WTF is dat
cdot needs to say we want 1 billion dollars in tax dollars to fix roads, they layout a detailed plan of how that billion will be spent,
like on actual paving projects not on middle management bureaucrats who push paper around to justify making well over 100k a year.
the voters get to vote on the tax increase, If the voters think cdot will piss the money away on wasteful projects and bonuses then they will vote the tax down, if the voters actually belive the money will be used to fix roads and the proposal is genuine then they will vote yes and cdot will have more tax dollars it's pretty basic, every state should have tabor to help control politicians from raping them with endless tax increases, tabor is a great tool taxation with representation
if you look at CA or NY there are more people pushing paper around than actually out fixing potholes, something is very wrong with too many managers and not enough actual workers, cause the goal is to get that paper pushing position make bank and retire making even bigger bank all on our hard working backs
CDOT is going to try a few new things:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26...vel-issues-get
Guess we'll see how it works but doesn't seem like much. Flyers in ski area parking lots for people with shitty tires? They've already made it up the hill, now you are going to tell them to go to Big O and get new tires? Guessing that won't do much.
2 hours from Keystone to Thornton last night. Whack…
And for gods sake, accelerate to the end of the merge lane and then get over…
Hey, we had enough to pay the fake Indian at Boulder for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by WTF is dat
I've seen this song and dance before, when CA passed prop 13. Turn off the street lights, close the libraries, stop fixing the roads. We'll get those voters to raise taxes.
Seriously there are so many places already run like you want CO to be. CA, ILL, NY, MD, CT..... pick one and be happy.
Hopefully the "volunteers" they use will be picking up the flyers since they'll undoubtedly be tossed on the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
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Originally Posted by stevesmith7
You guys are completely missing the point about TABOR. Seriously, do some research into it.
TABOR creates a permanent revenue shortage by pitting state programs against each other for survival each year, and all but entirely rules out any new initiatives to address unmet or emerging needs.
Fun facts about what happened to the state of Colorado between 1992 (when TABOR came into effect) and today
1992 - Colorado ranked 35th in K-12 spending.
Today - Colorado ranks 49th
Per pupil spending fell by more than 600$ relative to the national average since 1992.
Teacher salary dropped from 30th in the nation in 1992, to 49th in 2007.
Higher education funding dropped 31 percent under TABOR.
College & University funding as a share of personal income went from 35th in 1992, to 48th by 2008.
Tuition has risen by more than 21 percent adjusted for inflation.
Colorado now ranks 44th in what it pays to repair roads.
You think this is all mere coincidence that after TABOR came into effect our state has seen serious drops in the quality of almost ALL public services???
This is not me being a liberal saying that we should tax the shit out of people - this is basic fact. No other state in America has to deal with the obstacles TABOR creates in funding basic services like roads and public education. Nowhere in America. Do some research please.
And yet you all are dumbfounded about the fact that there is no money in the budget anywhere in Colorado to do anything.
Remember how a few months ago everyone was up in arms about the fact that US36 is going to be tolled for the next 50 years by a private company??? Surprise surprise, it had to do with the fact that there was NO money in the budget, and CDOT was forced to team up with a private company to upgrade US36
please use periods to break up run on sentences idk wtf you are sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by fastfred
It drives me absolutely crazy when someone is in the on ramp in front of me and then slams on the brakes b/c there is someone coming up in the right lane, instead of staying in the merge lane for another 50', then merging. I've almost rear-ended into a number of idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cold_Smokin'
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Originally Posted by WTF is dat
Colorado has 363 High Schools, with 88 of those being top ranked in the USA. Tabor zombie apocalypse teachers must be good!
Yes CDOT does get a lower percentage of the overall State budget than it did in 92, however K-12 percentage has remained constant at around the 24 to 25% mark. Higher Ed percentage is down a little, and CDOT's smaller piece of the pie goes to other silly social crap.
So effectively the State is getting what it votes for, which is exactly the way it should be.
hey, you'll end up a shithole like CA and NY and you'll vote yourself that way, just like they did!
Where y'all going to move next? MT? WY? All of the cunts from CA and NY moved to CO.
No we will end up a shithole like Alabama or Mississippi thanks to TABOR. And actually, it is probably easier for both of those states to fund basic public projectsQuote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
same reason that they are planning on tolling I-70 as soon as this construction is done. same reason for tolls on US 36 and soon to be tolls on I-70 through central Denver metro as well. no money for CDOT = Public Private Partnerships on road projects. Not really sure anyone ever really envisioned primary freeways being tolled so much when TABOR first came into existence. Which, Ironically, is something shithole northeast states do all the time (toll freeways) thanks tabor!!
BTW, does anyone want to tell Bob Beauprez that you can't just raise $3-5B in highway funding by reissuing bonds at a lower rate and issuing more debt (little constraint called TABOR)? His fiscal knowledge is staggering.
A toll to leave Boulder. Now that's an idea!
meanwhile on 4th Ave...
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