^Seems to me that drilling holes in the liner won't do much to allow moisture to escape from the shell, although it will make the liners even lighter!
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^Seems to me that drilling holes in the liner won't do much to allow moisture to escape from the shell, although it will make the liners even lighter!
Spray your feet liberally with anti-perspirant. I normally only do in the spring or multi-day trips involving camping but it prevents the foot slop.Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryBeard
If you put holes in the liners, you still have the shell to deal with. I suspect all you'll do is make your wet feet colder.
Antiperspirant. It takes a couple weeks for it to work but it will reduce the sweating from your feet. I use stick antiperspirant and apply liberally every night, especially around the toes. Put some socks on and then do whatever. The stuff is a bear to wash off the hands.
wow, hadn't considered the extreme of going after the feet not the liner... extreme times do call for extreme measures tho. So basically just coat in feet in antiperspirant and if i do this for a few weeks the chemistry of my feet will change enough that they stop sweating eh'.. why are you having issues with it on your hands? antiperspirant seems to have a pretty efficient application method.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsproul
have you tired gold bond? Toes socks? I use gold bond on tours with good success. Friend uses gold bond and toes socks.
Antiperspirant works by clogging the sweat pores. Best effect takes a bit of time. I tried spray but that was a mess and I still needed to use fingers to get between and around toes.
It won't stop completely but does reduce the sweating from my feet.
Any thoughts on the new Pro Tongue vs the Powerwrap for a Cochise Pro 27.5? I had powerwraps years ago, then the similar dalbello version (ID gold) in a Krypton pro for a few years. The stock liner in the cochise pro squeezed and rubbed my achilles so much that it gave me achilles problems (bursitis, tendinitis, and a small tear) so I need to put an intuition in. The wrap doesnt bother me, Im used to it with the dalbello liners, but is there an advantage to the Pro Tongue or even the Luxury tongue liner in the cochise overlap shell?
Searched through a few pages of the thread but still have a few questions if anyone can help me out:
1) Does it matter where you get the liner fit/baked? I mean is it complicated at all? I live in Vancovuer, sounds like some people have had it done right at Intuition HQ? Otherwise looking at Destination in North Van or Fanatyk Co. in Whistler (where I got the boots).
2) 50% lift skiing, 40% lift access touring and 10% longer tours, from what I've read power wrap is fine for skinning? Boots are Tecnica Dragon Slayer (freeride boot, now the Demon 120 I think, no walk mode) and I weigh 200lbs so thinking I probably want that model for adequate stiffness, correct?
thanks
how do the boots fit outta the box?Quote:
Originally Posted by gramboh
rog
Well I am from Vancover, thankfuly far from Vancover, but I been to all 3 of those places and IMO they all rock,Quote:
Originally Posted by gramboh
during the olympics I went out for a bottle of wine and came back with new alpine boots from fanatyk, if you got the boots from Fanatyk have them do the fit and the good thing is they are slopside-ish and open til 9pm so you can ski the boot and go back for any problems
Last time thru Vancover got my new liners from Intuition in Van, the good thing is they got every size of every liner right there so you can check them all out, there is a guy there who can do boot punches but I would make an apointment to make sure he is there ... the downside is they charge 50$ for the fit
I checked out Destination and they impressed me simply cuz buddy told me he didn't have anything that would work for my foot ...no BS is a goodthing IMO
I hope power wraps are good for touring cuz thats what I ended up with
Although many will disagree, I would say yes. I have had bad molds before in the shop where you can get creases. Not rocket science, but good fitters with the real gear and a two man team to set you up right when doing the mold probably increases the chances you get it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by gramboh
Also, I've only used power wraps but have no problem touring in them.
Anybody else have the cloth liner separate from the foam? My scarpa branded intuitions have this on both heels.
They fit fine out of the box after a few grinds/punches, problem is I've put 3 seasons and about 130 days on them so the liners are completely packed out, so I've just been clamping them down hard the last couple years when I should have replaced the liner ages ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by icelanticskier
Thanks for the insight dude. I like Fanatyk, they did a great job setting me up in these boots, so I'd like to go there. Only downside is getting them setup after an early season day of skiing, my feet/legs are gonna be swollen up a bit and potentially limited on selection/size (I'll call ahead). Destination set my wife up in boots a couple seasons back that have been a game changer for her, awesome service and knowledge there, might give them a go this round for the liners, especially if they don't charge the $50.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
cheers
After leaving my liners at the airport I need some new one for my cochise 130 pro, was thinking about a power wrap but I had offered a pair of Palau OVPH for alf the price of intuition..and so I'm thinking are really worth the extra money, can anyone compare this two model?
I've read anything about palau here in this thread and others, but since most of the time comments was quite old I would like to see if some one can help me out!
Thansk
Intuitions are better than palau. Whether they deserve the extra €€€€, it's up to youand the way you use your cochise...
Jed, all my Intuitions have done that. Liner separates, rips, gets trimmed, foam wears a hole, and heal toughens up. All good until I break in another pair. I don't think it is an Intuition problem, just another annoying personal problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chugachjed
How much stiffer will powerwraps make a Cochise light? Cant decide between dreamliner and powerwraps. Want a thicker more comfy liner for inbounds and will use the stock liner for touring. But I like the flex as it is, will a powerwrap make it to stiff for my skinny (165lbs) non-charging self?
The PWs stiffined up my reg 120s noticeably. I'll try and get a percentage for you, been a while since I put them on.
How does the Pro Tour compare to the Power Wrap in terms of warmth and weight?
I'm wearing out the rubber on all of mine. Cloth is long gone in spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by dewam
Thinking about going big and getting two new pairs this season. PW and PT. What with me being flush with cash money from all those face shots I get paid in.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dewam
I think one key to fixing is to catch it as soon as the liner separates for the foam. I had modest success using a syringe to squirt some goop in there and sticking it back. Was actually done to a stock dynafit Palau liner but would think intuition could be done the same way. If trying again I would thin the goop first with whatever appropriate solvent.
sounds like blisters to me.
Ok thanks! Maybe I should go with a dreamliner then. I'll send a mail to Intuition as well but all input is greatly appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
My original TF liners from a pair of TLT-5Ps have pretty well had it at this point. Considering intuition pro tours as a replacement, but I get the sense some people like going with dreamliners or luxury liners instead. I suppose I could go big and get a pair of both pro tours and power wraps (PW for inbounds days/slackcountry and PT for long tours). If I nicely fit TLT-5P shells in 26.5 (with footbed to raise the foot up a bit and get into the wider part of the shell), anybody have suggestions as to whether I should be looking at a 26 or 27 liner (noting that I already have to crank the main buckle to the tightest latch to get performance at the moment)? Any other thoughts on which of the Intution liners are best for the application, and how to think about thickness options? If only one liner, which one? If two, which ones? Thanks much.
See this http://www.wildsnow.com/4820/intuition-boot-liners-2-0/Quote:
Originally Posted by andybrnr
26.5 thin liners in 27.0 TLT5Ps
I've sold/molded/fitted hundreds of boots with intuition liners over the years. generally if yer liners are packed out, a mold isn't gonna help them get more snug. molding is for expanding around tight/tough spots or making a tight boot a bit less tight. I've got 5 seasons and over 300 days on my same liners and never molded them in the 1st place or ever as the fit was good/very snug right outta the box. they are still SUPER snug to this day. molding isn't always the answer. I have probably 75% of my customers ski the boots 3-5 days before even considering a mold. I encourage them to just ski them in and if they have problems at all i'll gladly mold them. maybe 1 out of 5 or 6 actually come back for a mold.Quote:
Originally Posted by gramboh
heat molding liners takes some of the integrity out of the liners each time you do it. liner/cloth/foam separation and breakdown are things that can happen with each new mold of the same liner. sounds like maybe your foot woulda been better suited in a different brand/last of boot in the 1st place. getting that dialed 1st usually eliminates the need for any molding. I say find the right boot and size 1st and let the heat from yer feet do the molding gradually for you. unless of course you have crazy weird feet.
rog
^this.
I did the sock full o' rice mold last year, which does next to nothing to mold the liner. Had some pretty terrible circulation problems for the first 5-10 days, but now they fit perfectly, and no premature packing out or falling apart. Next time I'll probably skip the molding process entirely, but that shouldn't be for a couple of years.
oh and superfeet footbeds are a great way to make an intuition liner feel/ski more solid and take up a bit of the volume in packed out older liners. 40 bux for a nice upgrade. i prefer/use the green ones for most feet unless the arch is super high or flat. other colors are good for acommodating high/low arch.
rog
you should get an intuition spanseship rog, that was a beautiful no nonsense buy em ski em figure it out later explanation for the everyday man. nice touch on the footbed call too, c'ept i went with the baby blue cuz i couldn't find the red ones.
ride on
chris bob freiberg aka bobby cuz thats my name don't wear it out.
b
I'd be hard pressed to send a customer out the door to ski un-molded intuitions.
I have accomplished the same end result with an initial molding and second 10-15 ski days down the road. All with less pain.
more work for you, more work/overthinking for them, and a liner that has used 2/6ths appox of it's lifespan in just a week or two of skiing.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
whatever worx for ya:)
rog
i'd don't pay for much, chris:)Quote:
Originally Posted by flowing alpy
rog
The liners I am talking about are stock Tecnica liners, which are poo and completely packed at this point, hence my desire to replace with Intuition, as the shells are still perfectly good :). But thanks for the insight, might give that route a go (ski em first then work on em if need be).Quote:
Originally Posted by icelanticskier
you're most welcome.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by gramboh
rog
Anyone have any info on the new ProWrap liner? Ive had powerwraps in the past, but this liner with a different toebox is intriguing to me. Anybody have these or know the actual difference?
Never owned an intuition liner but am buying the pro wrap his year. What i did was picked up a pair of Full Tilts (the Wallish ones) just to play with the liner in my Lange shell to see the fit before committing to the group buy. The full tilts have the new toe box same as the Pro wraps, and from what I can see the material below the stitch is no more that 1 or perhaps 2 mm thinner. Very hard pressed to feel the difference in thickness so I don't think it will produce too drastic of a change in the toebox thermally. The big difference as I see it, is the ergonomic construction of the toe box which I think will provide a better fit that the single down the middle seem in the original PW design. I also found out the Pro Wrap from Intuition is also somewhat stiffer that their regular PW, so its not just toebox and sole design, its also a different density foam which isn't mentioned on the Intuition website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duffman
M R, totally agree-I'm thinking if the toe material is thinner, but then requires less compression, it should be fine.
To all the JONGS asking me intuition liner questions by PM. Ask in this thread. I won't answer PMs. If you've got a question no matter how stupid the question is I guarantee some other JONG will have that same question.
I promise to try to not be an asshole in my answers but my patience will be short if you don't bother reading the thread or checking the Intuition website.
M R and Otto I'll drop by Intuition in the next month or so as they'd like to get those new liners tested so will take a look at the new liners. Ie the Prowraps and the Pro Tongue
Jong(s) plural eh? Guess I wasn't the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
I don't want to ask now since I'm committed in the group buy, but what the hell.
When is an appropriate time to size up a liner size from a shell size? This is very individualized I am sure. Factors such as foot shape, shell fit/volume, and liner choice seem to be the most important.
I specifically was considering liner options for Lange RX 130s and Dynafit Mercury/Vulcan. Langes are a 26 and Dynafits are a 27 (shell size). I decided to go with a 27 powerwrap for the RX 130, and a 27 Pro Tour for the mercuries.
Because the Mercury is a lower volume shell, is it wise to size the same liner size? And with the RX 130, will having a slightly longer length liner help with a tight alpine fit? All questions I've been pondering.