$4K Trail Bike

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Originally Posted by Danno

what are you trying to say there?

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That we have similar philosophies about riding bikes ;)

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Originally Posted by Danno

A little confused here, because the numbers look pretty close to me. Are you sure you looked at the Signal Peak TR (the 120 travel version) and not the 100 travel version? I'll admit to not knowing much more than head tube angle, which is admittedly 66 to 67, but 67 is in line with other bikes of this class (eg Revel Ranger is 67.5) and the other numbers all seem fairly similar. But maybe those few mm make a big difference.

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Sure, but geo numbers don't tell the whole story either, the linkage design of the suspension and the parts spec is going to make a big difference too. Admittedly I don't know much about the Signal Peak other than how it's marketed so I could be completely wrong, but they advertise it as a fast XC bike whereas Transition has always been a more DH oriented company and all the reviews on the Spur seem to agree with that. Again, I could be completely wrong and I haven't actually ridden any bikes in this class, not even the one that I've owned for a month.

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Originally Posted by Danno

except with current bike availability, finding bikes to demo isn't easy, and it's possible you could demo a bike, want to buy it, and not be able to find it to purchase. Still, I will consider demoing if I can find something somewhere I want to demo.

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Yeah, this is fair. I think you can still learn a lot from demos even on bikes you can't or don't want to purchase though as it helps you narrow down parameters.

Not that I usually do but demo rides are certainly a great idea. I've got a Ranger and feel like it's a great example of don't judge a bike by only looking at it's geo #'s, the Ranger measures closer to an XC bike but descends like something else entirely.

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Originally Posted by Danno

except with current bike availability, finding bikes to demo isn't easy, and it's possible you could demo a bike, want to buy it, and not be able to find it to purchase. Still, I will consider demoing if I can find something somewhere I want to demo.

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Don't you live around Boulder somewhere? Bike companies do demo tours, I'd expect that area to be on the route for demo vans. LBS should list tour dates, manufacturers websites too. Or even the next Outerbike in Moab - it's not *that* far.

Demos are great when inventory exists but if you want something now I would suggest narrowing it to 2 - 3 bikes, compare the details and pull trigger.

One thing to keep in mind is resale, whether people like it or a not a used Toyota is worth more than used Kia even in messed up markets.

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Originally Posted by Eluder

Demos are great when inventory exists but if you want something now I would suggest narrowing it to 2 - 3 bikes, compare the details and pull trigger.

One thing to keep in mind is resale, whether people like it or a not a used Toyota is worth more than used Kia.

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Yup, make a decent choice and you won't get a bad bike. That's hard to do these days

^^^ This. Once you determine the style/type of riding you do it really comes down to SRAM VS Shimano and Fox VS ???

I'll add something strange to pot for others.

If someone didn't care about carbon or brand name and wanted a little more travel than what you seem to be seeking I would look at what Rossignol is offering. I nearly pulled trigger on one of their mopeds.

https://www.rossignol.com/us/rmj5016m-000.html

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Originally Posted by ticketchecker

Yup, make a decent choice and you won't get a bad bike. That's hard to do these days

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https://www.marinbikes.com/bikes/2020-wolf-ridge-8

Do it.

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

https://www.marinbikes.com/bikes/2020-wolf-ridge-8

Do it.

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FUGLY af

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Originally Posted by ticketchecker

Yup, make a decent choice and you won't get a bad bike. That's hard to do these days

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Yeah, figure what you want to ride, decide how much you want to spend, find out what’s available that you’re excited about and buy it.

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Originally Posted by Eluder

Demos are great when inventory exists but if you want something now I would suggest narrowing it to 2 - 3 bikes, compare the details and pull trigger.

One thing to keep in mind is resale, whether people like it or a not a used Toyota is worth more than used Kia even in messed up markets.

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Yes, valid consideration. I’m going to be selling a Giant soon. If I’m patient I’ll probably get about 70% of what I paid for it.
Spending less upfront for comparable spec but no illusions of doing the same with the YT I just bought.

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Originally Posted by Bunion 2020

^^^ This. Once you determine the style/type of riding you do it really comes down to SRAM VS Shimano and Fox VS ???

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Not really.
Sure I have a preference (shimano >sram cos I hate the sram jump to 52t and I think shimano durability and ergonomics are better - other rational minds will disagree) but in this market you aren’t likely to have choices - unless youre going Gucci high end or custom your bike comes with whatever the manufacturer cut a deal with. I wouldn’t choose or avoid a bike just because of components - they all work fine.

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Originally Posted by SKIP IN7RO

FUGLY af

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But hey, at least it has terrible geometry and moving parts that you'll never be able to service.

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Originally Posted by Eluder

I'll add something strange to pot for others.

If someone didn't care about carbon or brand name and wanted a little more travel than what you seem to be seeking I would look at what Rossignol is offering. I nearly pulled trigger on one of their mopeds.

https://www.rossignol.com/us/rmj5016m-000.html

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How could you not, when it is "designed for sporty people seeking for adventure outside beaten trails."

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Originally Posted by Eluder

I'll add something strange to pot for others.

If someone didn't care about carbon or brand name and wanted a little more travel than what you seem to be seeking I would look at what Rossignol is offering. I nearly pulled trigger on one of their mopeds.

https://www.rossignol.com/us/rmj5016m-000.html

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HOLY FUCK?!! They're really asking $4,300 for that fucking thing?!!! Did they get the 4 and the 3 backwards?

I need more whiskey.

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Don't you live around Boulder somewhere? Bike companies do demo tours, I'd expect that area to be on the route for demo vans. LBS should list tour dates, manufacturers websites too. Or even the next Outerbike in Moab - it's not *that* far.

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yeah, I'm going to look. But covid kinda fucked a lot of that up, from what I have seen.

Bike that wife bought two months ago just got a price adjustment by Ibis to be $1000 more MSRP

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Originally Posted by Touring_Sedan

HOLY FUCK?!! They're really asking $4,300 for that fucking thing?!!! Did they get the 4 and the 3 backwards?

I need more whiskey.

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Damn, that’s an excellent price point, (pretty much 100% XT and Ultimate suspension? That usually appears on $6k plus bikes) the only thing questionable are the rims. But they even got the right tires on there.
The geometry is spot on for today.
Don’t know how they ride, though. The few Rossi bikes I have seen were real pigs weight wise.

That FELT now Rossi is a killer deal

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Originally Posted by rideit

Damn, that’s an excellent price point, (pretty much 100% XT and Ultimate suspension? That usually appears on $6k plus bikes) the only thing questionable are the rims. But they even got the right tires on there.
The geometry is spot on for today.
Don’t know how they ride, though. The few Rossi bikes I have seen were real pigs weight wise.

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The Geo numbers are not bad on this thing. They bought Felt right so its not like they are totally clueless but the marketing and branding sure does suck.

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Originally Posted by Touring_Sedan

HOLY FUCK?!! They're really asking $4,300 for that fucking thing?!!! Did they get the 4 and the 3 backwards?

I need more whiskey.

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I dunno, seems like a good spec to me. But yeah whiskey would help get over the shitty branding.

“It’s the S7 of Mountain Bikes!”

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Originally Posted by simple

That FELT now Rossi is a killer deal

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Yeah, I would say all three builds are really good for the price.

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Originally Posted by Eluder

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One thing to keep in mind is resale, whether people like it or a not a used Toyota is worth more than used Kia even in messed up markets.

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Once Danno is done with the bike he chooses, it'll be worth 'bout tree-fiddy. :D

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Originally Posted by Touring_Sedan

HOLY FUCK?!! They're really asking $4,300 for that fucking thing?!!! Did they get the 4 and the 3 backwards?

I need more whiskey.

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Once Danno is done with the bike he chooses, it'll be worth 'bout tree-fiddy. :D

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heh.

I actually hope to get back to my original plan, which was get a new-ish bike every 3 years or so. We'll see if I'm successful.

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Originally Posted by Danno

heh.

I actually hope to get back to my original plan, which was get a new-ish bike every 3 years or so. We'll see if I'm successful.

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This probably belongs in the gambling thread... but I see 10-1 odds against. :D

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

This probably belongs in the gambling thread...

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fact