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air conditioned and heated seats = divorce preventionQuote:
Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater
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I went lama wrassling last week which seemed to be about having lots of people to guide the Lamas into the barn to get sheared and then we drink beer
I love old 4x4s and was excited to find a Scout on the block i just moved to. But that said, an older 4x4 would be more likely to be a lifestyle mobile to me than something like this. I just wouldn't feel comfortable taking something like an old Scout farther into the desert than from where I could walk home (unless exsparky was riding shotgun). For exploring out of the way places, I'd much rather have a newer Bronco/Jeep/4Runner/truck. "They don't make'em like they used to" complaints aside, modern vehicles are just much more reliable, even if they aren't as cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust
^^ They're undeniably safer too. There's no way my family would have walked away from the accident that totalled my 2012 Challenger in an old car.
My JKU is 6 years old and only had one issue which was a failed sensor replaced under warranty. Fingers crossed it's been perfect otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by warthog
I would feel way more comfortable trying to fix an old shitbox in the middle of nowhere than any of the newer computer driven bullshit any day. However new tech doesn't leave you stranded quite in the same way as older vehicles.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusBrody
Same. I carried tools in my 97 7.3 cause I figured if something breaks, I can likely at least jerry rig it to get to the next town. In my 2012 F150, I carry the same tools but I'll probably need a tow truck if the truck is on the side of the road not running.Quote:
Originally Posted by lifelinksplit
I'm probably going to want a new Bronco just like I kind of want a Gladiator, but at this point I don't even enjoy my F150 that much. I've been contemplating getting rid of it and going back to an older truck and DD combo. Modern cars are nice and all, but it just doesn't do anything for me. I feel the same way about the Bronco. I just wish I would have bought a clean 90s Bronco before they started getting scarce and becoming stupidly priced.
I am hearing the JL is much worse, but you only hear the bad reports mostly.Quote:
Originally Posted by VTeton
I won't disagree that old vehicles are often more field serviceable for minor things. But a lot of the minor things you might have to field service on an old vehicle basically never break on new vehicles (sometimes because they don't exist).Quote:
Originally Posted by lifelinksplit
I don't have a perfect apples to apples comparison, but I had to field repair and limp home my 1978 Yamaha XS 650 multiple times in the relatively limited amount of miles I have put on it. I've literally never had to attempt any field repairs on any of the modern cars I've owned or motorcycles I've ridden that didn't involve tires and windshield wipers. Not saying that they don't come about, just that they are so much less frequent that I'm much more comfortable with modern vehicles in more remote places even if the chance I can fix issues that did come up is lower.
Plus, as gravitylover mentions, modern vehicles have become amazingly safe, which matters to me more than ever now that I have a kid.
So I still want an old 4x4. It would just be my lifestyle vehicle which I took out every so often to drive when I was with friends or wasn't going to far, but I want a more modern vehicle when I'm going long distances, esp. if it's in the middle of nowhere.
Anecdotally, I’ve driven my ‘97 LC to some pretty crazy and far off places and never been stranded. I’ve had to hike to cell service and wait patiently in my ‘13 F150 twice for sensor failures. A third time it at least went in to limp mode and driving at 15 mph is faster than walking.
If we are comparing the new Bronco to my ‘72, I’d trust the new version a lot more.
This is what I was alluding to. The only sensor in my 97 powerstroke that was likely to fail and leave me stranded was the CPS, so I carried a spare and could swap it in 10 minutes. When there was an ignition issue, I jumped the starter solenoid in camp and drove homeQuote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
My 12 F150 has sensors that I don't even know where to find, or what they do. If I had a no crank due to anything other then a dead battery, I wouldn't even know where to start troubleshooting. There is just so much more to go wrong in a modern vehicle. Sure it is less likely to fail, but things can fail in ways that don't exist on older vehicles.
The safety thing is very real though. Also comfort.
I barely consider a 97 old (particularly for a Land Cruiser). I was more thinking of the 70s, carbureted era trucks when I was thinking of the old 4x4s that I lust after but wouldn't want as my primary vehicle. But you're right, anything can go tits up on you. I just think it's less likely in modern vehicles so I'm more confident in them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
Do we know the power train options yet for the new Bronco?
Ford - “here’s our new Bronco!”
Jeep - “that’s cute”
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V8 Wrangler!
Lame, they should put the eco diesel in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
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They already do.
A gas Fiat V8? What could go wrong?
Well, if it makes it more than 80K it’ll be doing far better than the V8 in my Ford did.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater
Found
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Still accurate.
Now my FIL is have problems with his Ecoboost and it is only ~40K. Dealer says there nothing wrong. Takes it on a trip towing a trailer. Ford dies in the middle of nowhere leaving them stranded.
200k on 2003 exploder V8. Car owes me nothing and has been reliable AF.
That’s great for you, because if yours had died like mine did, while under warranty, they’d use every truck in the book to get out of paying for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mooseknuckle
Yes, we are all very aware of the trials and tribulations you've faced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
Good. If I can talk one person out of buying anything from them I’ll feel better.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater
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A fine example in Aspen.
Notice how Jeep went upmarket with the teaser of a V8. They know what Ford is doing and have been waiting for their announcement to steal a little thunder and retain some of the market that only cares about how big of an engine they can stuff in it. "muh Hemi"
Very steezy and probably worth a ton with true mountain man tires and stock fender wells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shredhead
Saw a specimen Plymouth trail duster on interstate last week. Clean and deadly roll bar optional approach to the OG bronco!
Agreed. The Bronco is also pretty fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shredhead