The website doesn't say that. As of know the implication is that if you buy an uphill pass it includes parking. You can bet they'll be selling a lot more uphill passes this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
The website doesn't say that. As of know the implication is that if you buy an uphill pass it includes parking. You can bet they'll be selling a lot more uphill passes this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
The Uphill Travel Pass does cover parking at Alpental for free, however, you can only park at Alpental in the A7 lot on peak days.
Peak days for the Uphill Travel Pass include:
December Holidays - December 21, 2024 - January 3, 2025
Saturdays and Sundays from January 4 through March 2, 2025
Martin Luther King Jr. Day - January 20, 2025
Presidents Day - February 17, 2025
Either that or bus service to and from the ski area from the Issaquah/Bellevue/East side park and ride lots.Quote:
Originally Posted by carlh
Yep. I'm envisioning a BCC/LCC future, but without a viable public transit option to take people up from the nearest P&R. Which is a shame because as ^^^ I would ride a ski bus from the 'quah, so hard. On the flip side I'm sure hawking parking resies will become a very lucrative opportunity for the hustle-minded.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher
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I'd ride a gondola from North Bend to the Pass
That would be sick
yer about to get Buster goin’ about trains
Considering it has taken billions of dollars and decades to build a decent light rail system in the city, I don't even want to guess what it would cost to build a heavy railroad from Seattle to Snoqualmie Pass.
If they had the guts and vision they could do it. Most of it could be built in the median lane of I-90, or following alongside of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
It's only going to get more expensive to build rail, so why wait at this point?
The train was the only way to access skiing at Snoqualmie pass . They even had a mother fucking electric train in the 60's . Bummer BNSF shut that shit down.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
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I can't imagine the business proposition simply to support recreation at Snoqualmie Pass comes anywhere close to making this pencil out. If there was a business case to link Seattle to Ellensburg or Yakima with high speed rail there would be a better chance, but that would be pretty far down the list of cities that should be linked by rail I'd imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by S_jenks
Probably a 75-100billion dollar project going through the heart of one of the most enviroNIMBY areas in the world to support a few thousand rich people's seasonal weekend recreation that may or may not still be around in 40 years due to the Pass' low elevation and climate change.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
To make it remotely pencil, and be remotely palatable you would have to sell the idea of stopping suburban expansion in the puget sound and instead building hundreds of thousands of new residential units in Cle Elum and Easton for people to commute, by train, into/out of the puget sound.
Remind this non-local how long it will take light rail to connect Everett to Kent? 30+ years and $150billion sound about right?
We can’t even build rail down the middle lane of I-90 from Seattle to Bellevue without completely fucking it up. It’s been seven years and who knows how many billions and no one has been moved across the lake. Maybe we should leave massive investments in 19th century technology to the Europeans.Quote:
Originally Posted by S_jenks
Agreed. There is plenty of opposition in the Seattle metro to light rail, which you think would be an absolute no-brainer with the traffic and overall population growth in the area. There is zero chance a rail route over Snoqualmie Pass is happening. Heck, Whistler is actually connected to Vancouver by rail and even having passenger service to Whistler seems like a pipe dream.
So you’re sayin there’s a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
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Did they kill the passenger service to Whistler? I want to say they used to have it from Seattle to Whistler within the last 20 years. I think you had to change trains in Vancouver and was significantly more expensive than driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
To be fair I’m sure the sound transit board would salivate at the potential to spend $100B on a project that would be less convenient than existing cheaper options.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
The only passenger service is via the Rocky Mountaineer in the summertime and that's a very expensive tourist train, not an actual transit option. Apparently there would need to be extensive upgrades to support high-speed rail, but as busy as the Sea to Sky is year-round these days I'd think it would be worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
There's truth to the claims supporting an America that no longer has dreams or initiative and clings to old, impractical technology in the pending environmental cardboard cutout sundown. The same truth supports the end of the Puget Sound as the best kept secret in skiing.
Oh well. We're fucked.
As for me, I'll take the Euro ski experience on high speed as well as it's atmospheric creaky cog railways.
I would have supported $55 per day for IKON pass holders over people just trying to experience winter once a year
First off I said I was fantasizing, second, "that costs too much" is always something unimaginative you can toss out there if you want to argue that things are just going to keep getting worse and you're cool with it.
Political and economic realities can change, the least you can do is say out loud that you think solutions would be good.
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Originally Posted by dangerdad
Of course the Venn diagram of those two groups would show SigNiFIcanT overlap, but the irony did make me chuckle.
yall going on and on about trains
i want a gondola from si view park in n bend to the gas station across from the pass life condos
put the towers on the iron horse trail and a substation at denny creek campground
$20 round trip ticket
Fuck. That’s like 3+ hours each way man.Quote:
Originally Posted by ptavv
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Could also just do a long t-bar and WROD return trail, with snowmaking all the way.
it's like 40 kmQuote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
some random website i found said we can build modern gondolas that travel at ~30 km/hr
not too bad
no traffic, plenty of time to drink a coffee and put your gear on
put wifi broadcasts on the towers and people can do remote work on the way to the mountain
fuck trains, gondolas are the future
I’m in.Quote:
Originally Posted by ptavv
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How about a gondola from the Denny Creek trailhead to the top of Wildside or Triple 60? It's a straightline distance of under a mile with an elevation gain of about 1,500 feet. There's already quite a bit of parking there (albeit not currently plowed in the winter). I'm not sure how many parking spots you'd really need to make it worthwhile. Certainly a few hundred. It could also be a convenient place for busses.
edit: looks like ptavv already suggested this for the last leg. Honestly this is something that's actually feasible.
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^ Look at that alignment!
Build some multi-level parking garages and charge a premium for covered parking. Put a food/bev stand in the garage and they can hit you for a 15$ hotdog for the drive back too. Hell, make some of it valet and include ski storage with a belt wax and someone will be willing to pay for the "ultra premium" experience.
You just described the parking situation at half the resorts in Colorado to a TQuote:
Originally Posted by Going Coastal
Buses, fools
no tunnel suggestions? c'mon
There's already a tunnel. They just need to bore a hole to the surface and put in an elevator!
If they add much more parking, or buses\park and ride, wouldn't we be looking at a total nightmare from a crowd perspective? (worse than what we already see on a mid winter weekend...)
Seems like expansion of terrain and with it, increased uphill capacity is needed. I don't see any of it happening personally.
Yep. Therein lies the problem.
The Summit's current position seems to be that much of the parking overcrowding is due to backcountry users and various lookie-loos crowding the parking lots at the expense of paying customers, and I'm sure there's some of that, but certainly the root cause is a huge influx in population with virtually no increase in recreation accessibility.
They are increasing uphill capacity. Sessel became a triple and their adding Internationale Chair. They also added 20% more chairs to Armstrong. Pretty significant increase in uphill capacity at Alpental. I noticed a difference from the changes last year. Mountain didn't seem as busy as the parking lot made you feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by puma
You can always buy more skier storage, parking spots are finite.
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They actually put a gate there?
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So people who drop their stuff off the chair into the creek can retrieve it.