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@ezgzy (quotting doesn't work anymore it seems) +1 re gft
I too cannot get gft in the quattro. Has anyone succeeded? Big boot horn? I taped the shit out of mine with UHMWPE, which helps immensely for the stock liner, but I still fail booting in with gft.
I'm in 28.0 Quattro Pro and 27.5 GFT. It's definitely tough to get it in. I usually pull the black plastic tongue all the way forward, ripped an elastic piece that connects the tongue to the shell and always using the boot horn.
With the stock liner I just slide in non WC style.
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Ive owned both the XT and the pro, though I dont have a ton of days in either. Pretty sure they walk exactly the same? The pro comes setup in the most forward lean position which might make the rearward motion feel shorter. And the pro liner has a big piece of plastic on the top half of the tongue which maybe somehow could reduce rom? Also pretty sure the shells are identical except for the reinforced walk mode anchor. Weightwise my size 30 pro shells are within a measurement error of the XT shells (6g). The extra weight is the piece of plastic on the liner.</p>
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I never skied them back to back, but my sense is that the differences are very small. Oh and the pro has an extra hole in the instep buckle catch so you can move it to accomodate a higher or lower instep.</p>
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This is my favorite touring boot but i do wish theyd made the cuff taller. Shortening the cuff is not weight savings that i ever want outside of basically a skimo race boot.</p>
I WC into the 4Q Pro’s with my GFT’s. I used a long UHMW tape “sandwich” to extend the rubber stalk thingy so it doesn’t get bent under the heel. I then just needy to lift up on the tongue to allow my foot to enter the clog without catching on the clog or the protrusions on the tongue. I have some posts with pictures and more details in the GFT thread.
Pictures of the UHMW tape extension. Works wonders! I make certain the tail is between my heel and the top of the cuff, and then I can use both hands to pull directly up on the tongue (which pulled apart the overlap, too) and allows my GFT-clad foot to easily slide in.
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It was clearly foolish of me to hope last year’s XT break was a fluke. This time the year old replacements cracked all around the back of the heel, below the walk mode connection. Last year it cracked right at the walk mode connector.
Has there been similar failures with the Pros?
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Is the clog walk mode connection wider on your new pair? Or the same as width as the og version.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlpiNord
The maestrale and Pro are both wider in the connection point on the clog. I haven’t heard of any failures on the pro yet, my pair hasn’t seen much use yet and is doing fine.
Last year's break: https://www.slidewright.com/Scarpa_Q.../IMG_2775.jpeg https://www.slidewright.com/Scarpa_Q.../IMG_2776.jpeg Today's: https://www.slidewright.com/Scarpa_Q.../IMG_4668.jpeg https://www.slidewright.com/Scarpa_Q.../IMG_4670.jpegQuote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
Jeez these boots are POS, I feel cursed that these are one of the few AT boots that fit my dumb feet.
Just compared my broken XT's versus the pros, no difference in material thickness in that area, just the area that holds the lever is thicker along with the thicker lever itself. Seems like that would cause even more failures like yours as the connection point is even stronger.
It’s a huge disappointment. I’ve been on Scarpas since their start in the eighties and nineties during my tele days and have owned several alpine versions prior to this with no issues. Their hiking and backpacking shoes and boots, along with their approach shoes have been great for me for decades.
During last year’s warranty replacement I almost went for another pair of Maestrales (my son has my older pair, and Freedoms) with a plan to get alpine boots….but these ski so sweet. Looks like back to the Hurricanes for a quick fix…..yet again.
Edit: just read a comment elsewhere that the XT Pro tele boots are also having issues, too.
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Scarpa has stepped up (as usual) and offered replacement Pros for the broken XTs. Any reservations on choosing them for aggressive inbounds skiing? ….or….get Maestrales and a dedicated alpine boot?Quote:
Originally Posted by kootenayskier
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Each step up in model has worse forward range of motion during skinning if thats something you care about.
I dont think these replace alpine boots even though they ski well, the flex is too on and off. So I’d get some alpine boots and the maestrales.
In my experience, Quattro XTs have a “nice” flex compared to many previous touring boots…I seriously love them with light(ish)weight touring skis (like vwerks katanas)…but they are much less stiff than my Mach 1 130s especially when paired with a more beefy resort ski. I’ve been forced to ski my k108s and wildcats with my Quattros and while serviceable, always found i notice the low cuff height and they fold over pretty easily in any kind of chop and perhaps most significantly, they are really “springy” feeling. Like when i get in the chop they bounce me all over the place compared to my Mach 1s which are much more damp. I’m 185 without gear, for reference.
If you’re looking for one boot to do it all, the Salomon alpha 130 seems like the lowest volume “actually resort stiff” touring boot I’ve tried…but you sacrifice a lot of uphill performance compared to the Quattro.
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Each step up in model has worse forward range of motion during skinning if thats something you care about.
I dont think these replace alpine boots even though they ski well, the flex is too on and off. So I’d get some alpine boots and the maestrales.
I used to be a two boot quiver person until I tried Q Pro with Zipfit GFT. The shell fit is very tight and I was crying for the first 3 days in that combo. Now they flex and ski better than Hawx Ultra 130S with stock liner. It's currently my go to boot for both resort and touring. I don't have a problem driving bigger skis (BC Anima 189 and Atris 190) at the resort. A low front cuff takes some time to get used to but not a deal breaker. Just got to look out for that walking mechanism area.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlpiNord
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Good input and video all. Thanks. I’m squarely on the fence and Scarpa will not have replacements for Pros or Maestrales until fall. But I do need to decide and inform them. I want to believe the Pros are truly more durable and will last because I am really missing how well the XTs skied vs my ole Hurricanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by kootenayskier
Any follow up from Schirmer on the boots after a year or so of use? From my sense from two breaks and what I’ve heard, there may be a time and possibly cumulative use factor causing fatigue to the Pebax Rnew shell. My 2nd break was below the walk mode cog/connection and the Pros are of the same material.
You’d think Schirmer is putting far more stress on the boots than I am (though same weight) but nailing firm bumps and depressions with stiffer skis that may have caused my failures might be a bit different.
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FWIW I ski the pros with GFTs and find the stiffness similar to Nordica ProMachine 130’s with a stock liner. The flex profile is different though—feels more cabrio-like (which makes sense with its overlap+tongue design). I really like the way they ski and tour.I cannot comment on longevity, though, as I only have a dozen days on mine—though some of those were inbounds on stiff skis (Kastle MXes).
Why not use the Scarpa HRS strap?Quote:
Originally Posted by ~mikey b
I had my boot pop into walk mode while skiing last week, doesn’t look like anything is broken but it sketched me out pretty hard. It locked back in right after and it doesn’t look like anything is cracked thankfully. I may switch back to zgtp if this happens again
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@ezgzy, did that happen with the lock enabled? (The pro's, at least, have a sliding lock that is supposed to prevent the lever from kicking out during skiing).
It was highly subjective, but the 130 ProMachines seemed stiffer to me than the XTs. For a variety of reasons I went with the 120s thinking I will also have the stiffer Pros I could use if desired.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJosh
I’m been curious if I had the 120 SLs instead, if the force would have been less and possibly not caused the same breaks. Do the SLs have the same issues?
Edit: FTR Scarpa has been responsive as usual and let me know the heel area in the Pros have been beefed up.
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My maestrale rs has the same walk system and is very prone to popping out of ski mode if there's any hint of snow in the system. It happens all the time. Probably no big deal. I've started carrying a tiny toothbrush to clean the mechanism
I got a pair of ProMachine 120s and really like their performance boost. Even better than the XTs. Now I’m wondering if I’d be better off for touring and hiking with the rocker and Vibram sole of Maestrales vs the GripWalk soles of the Pros and better skiing performance plus in bounds option.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJosh
I’ve read a range of sizing differences and fit. IIRC my old Maestrales 26.5s (need to recheck this) had a loose fit compared to the XTs 26.5s. So 1/2 or full size down for Maestrales?
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You need one shell size down on the maestrale for the sane fit as xt. However the liner is a lot thicker.
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Originally Posted by AlpiNord
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As was stated, one size down. However, I recently got some Maestrale RS as I discovered they and Quattros are the best fitting AT boots I've ever found, but I'm very underwhelmed by the ski performance. They ski so much worse than Zero Gs... I'm considering getting Quattros despite the griowalk in hopes that they ski a fair amount better. I wish someone could compare the two...</p>
I've skied the Quattro Pro since last spring and have really loved the fit and performance (for reference my alpine boot is a Redster CS 130 96 last and it fits perfectly). I had a similar journeyman approach to the XT a few years ago via the Hoji like Niko's video explains. The Pro's low instep and narrowish fit, and more supportive cuff were all great upgrades though I found I'm always putting on crampons just in case when booting chutes, etc. because of the gripwalk sole and the just in case mindset - my only true complaint minus the fact that it would be nice if it was a tad lighter. In comparison to the Maestrale RS - if you size down you get a very similar lower clog shell fit. I'm a 26.5 Quattro and went 25.5. The shell fit was there, felt lighter, the toe and cabrio buckle did their job well. The cuff however is simply not the same and while it skied ok it just felt short and not supportive. It wasn't horrible just different, felt short in cuff and less mass accentuated the feel though it was totally skiable. I skied it for a couple weeks with a driver plate on the cuff to stiffen it and the Quattro spoiler - this was an upgrade in stiffness though the cuff material wasn't as encompasing as the Pro's. I then took the Quattro Pro cuff and put it on the Maestrale RS lower and it's been f'ing awesome - not ideal for cost unless you have both but if you do it's the best of both boots.
Not sure what's up with getting the photo to load in the text, but here's the shot of the boot.
https://www.tetongravity.com/photo/s...ttro-maestrale
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Boooo, No retiring to PMs! keep the discussion in the open, us nerds want to see those mods! FWIW I found the new maestrale to fit almost identically to the Quattro XT once you sized down, with the only difference being the liner. However I did feel the maestrale was noticeably softer. Not a ton, but enough to notice in the carpet test. Not sure how much that would affect my skiing. I’m in the Quattro XT but curious about ways to get a taller cuff and better ankle lock
Ha.. what we discussed in private messages is that I tried to do the same thing MeatHead did but with a Quattro XT cuff and it wouldn't work. Interestingly the connection between the scaffo and cuff is different between the XT and Pro. It is the same on the Quattro Pro and Maestrale RS, so only those boots are compatible to build the expensive frankenboot
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I would think the XT would also work but you need the updated version that has the fatter ski walk connection. Is that the one you used?</p>
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Also Meathead, what's the shell weight on maestro? </p>
You might be right, no the XT shell I tried was not the updated one.
I don't have a small digi scale, but the regular human scale registered 2.6lbs so 1180g - which perhaps is a tad light given the human scale than reality. I would say it feels a bit lighter than the Quattro Pro shell.
As much as I like the way the 4Q Pros ski and tour, I really dislike the grip walk sole. I don't know why they went with a duck-bill shaped toe. It walks and boot packs a bit oddly...Quote:
Originally Posted by AlpiNord
Yeah, the Vibram/rocker boot sole is better for hiking basically everything, including, rock, mud, crusty corn, snow, etc. If you do hike a bunch with any GripWalk sole, you would think the toe (and maybe heel) could get dinged up enough to mess with DIN compatibility. Thanks all for the input.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJosh
Lots of chat on here about how the Quattro shell is the same as the new Maestrale shell, just one size down, which begs the question - is anyone here "sizing up" to get the shell fit you normally would?
I'm in a 29.5 ZGTP with a high volume intuion pro tour at the moment but they're getting a bit long in the tooth and I'd benefit from the lower volume fit of the Quattro so picked up a pair of 29.5s. I couldn't quite believe that there could be the same internal length despite the bsl being so short (324mm on the quattros vs 333 on the zgtps) but the bootfitter convinced me it was just due to the construction of the boot and I went with it. Got home and started having reservations so measured the internal length of my various boots and found that the inside of the Quattro is 8mm shorter than the inside of the ZGTPs - surprise surprise.
I've ordered some 30.5s to try as I can take the 29.5s back - hopefully they give my toes a bit more room for touring without loosing that sweet low volume fit but we'll see - seems like the super low volume performance fit thing is a bit of a trick if they're just selling you a pre down sized clog?
Definitely size up. I have 6-8mm shell fit in 27.5 Atomic Hawx Ultra 130S, Hawx Ultra XTD 130 BOA and Backland XTD 120 and went for 28.5 Quattro Pro. ZF GFT 27.5 fit like a glove.Quote:
Originally Posted by timbevan1@gmail.com
P. S. So far it's the best fitting combo I have experienced and I don't mind using them for the resort as long as it's not bulletproof ice
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