Above was for the 190. Are we thinking the same range is good for the 200?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
Edit: n/m. I see the website says yes
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Above was for the 190. Are we thinking the same range is good for the 200?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
Edit: n/m. I see the website says yes
That rack is awesome!!Quote:
Originally Posted by wapiti hunter
Marker and Tyrolia need not apply.
I was trying to figure it out.. what is the connection for the toe piece?Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
Looks like Button Ski rack to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayPowHound
Thanks. Somehow had never heard of them. Just ordered a 5 pack to start, we'll see where it goes from there. Psyched.
Yeah these looks sweet. Need a tech toe equivalent! Organize the whole closet.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayPowHound
I just like how you can see mount point vs tip and tail lengths between different skis
Yea. Beware. You can see slight difference in brake width or design causing the toes to be slightly high or low in the pic. But good enough for relative….highly recommend the Button rack. Doesn’t put stress on the ski like those others. The others seem like they will take the rocker or camber out over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ::: :::
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I’ve resorted to leaning skis against the death clamps in the ski room.
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200cm C132: Holes drilled and tapped at -10.5cm… waiting 7 long days for toe shims to arrive. Probably should have just drawn and had them printed. Twiddling thumbs. Champing at the bit.
Another day out on them yesterday.
Conditions:
24 hour
- 5” fell that had gNarly rain crust
12 hour
- 3-5” on top of the crust depending on aspect.
Pulled my C132 just for science as normally I’d grab a supergoat to crush that crust.
The ski made the conditions stupid fun!!
I could feel that crust but these skis were super intuitive in it.
- The subtle reverse taper allows it to slice through a crust without ever getting hung up.
- when skiing fast they stayed well above the crust with all that surface area.
- in the tight trees there was even worse crust… don’t ask why, there just was. I had to ski in second gear due to how tight it was and this was the first time I felt the length. I was able to hop them around to make tight turns and all was fine. Frankly Kopi_Red was on supergoats and didn’t even mess around with the trees we were in so I know the ski made the best of the conditions.
- stomp machines: sent a few booters ranging 10- 20 feet into that crust, they were not fazed by it. Stomped the landing every time and carried on.
I’m still amazed by just how versatile these sticks are!
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Mine arrived today, mounting em up tomorrow on my lunch hour, can’t wait to get them out!
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Quick question on mounting: when the mount point is gevin relative to center (or tail, whatever), do you find center with a straight tape pull from the tips or along the ski?
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yes! straight tape for length / midpoint!Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
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Well ok- first day out on yesterday was a poor choice- some small pockets of sheltered pow alternating with windboard. Not bad but not inspiring.
Today was the correct day for a test drive- a foot of low density perfection on steep terrain with launchable features. Pinnacle snow surfing experiences indeed! The running length disappeared underfoot, extremely nimble and instinctive- I didn’t really have to think about turning, it just happened. Tighter trees were no problem. They felt balanced, energetic, supportive. 15-20’ airs to admittedly perfect snow were completely comfortable and frankly awesome. I never had to think about where i was weighting the skis, just stand on em and go! No chance of tip dive. Skinning was totally fine as well- For touring on the kind of days you want these I don’t think the weight is that noticeable; breaking trail or cruising repeat laps on the skinner was fine. Today made me pretty confident these will have a useful spot in the lineup!
No pics yet…
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^^ [emoji869][emoji869][emoji869] heck yeah buddy
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Was worried I had missed all the fun from December /January, but now with crap loads of cold pow in the forecast for the Sierra this week I finally got these mounted up! Attachment 449458
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My fr132 were in my roofbox all weekend but not a single California mountain road opened fri-sun... leaving em there until WednesdayQuote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
:party:Quote:
Originally Posted by riff
Me, too! Wednesday maiden voyage in the works!Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
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Oh man, so much sexiness up in this thread!
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Day three; still discovering new and exciting sensations. Quick turns, long turns, bounce, surf, pivot, huck. One thing I’m really excited about is the energetic feel. I had heavy core Powder Boards back in 2010, and they surfed but felt like it all pivot and slide, not bounce. The C132’s have energy and snap, in the right kind of snow. Outstanding, well worth walking them up there. No photos of skiing again, as it was too good.
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It was deep enough riding in today to choke the sled on occasion. Mighty fine storm….
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Reading along and living vicariously through the C132 reports. They seem awesome!
Finally got a day in on mine at Alpental today... these things are fun. I haven't skied R/R since Praxis Powders in ~2009 but they were quite intuitive. Handled the light new snow and the starting to set up well.
Not super stoked hitting the crust underneath but what pow ski is. Soft groomers back to the lift were pretty fun with the ski being edge-able if you're skiing centered and capable of really long, fast powerslides if that's your thing. The outside ski occasionally likes to wander off but for day 1 of the learning curve that was perfectly acceptable. Nothing else to add to the general stoke here but excited to get some more days on them and get the brain all mental flossed again. I know they'll just get quicker and more confident with more use.
With a small kiddo I'm not able to get out for all (or many) of the good days now so if someone wants to take my 190cm C132s out for a test drive (Pivot 15 @ 315mm BSL) hit me up... on the I-90 corridor on the way to Snoq Pass.
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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
Took me longer than I would have liked, but I did get these mounted and with the recent storms rolling through did have a chance to get them out inbounds for a few days with conditions that they deserved.
- they are better than you can imagine of for deep untracked
- the weight helps a ton compared to my original carbon lotus 138s for cut up snow - minimal deflection
- there still is a point where unless you are constantly getting on newly opened untracked terrain or it is snowing hard enough for free refills, if you are skiing inbounds at a resort you'll want to swap them out for the afternoon when there are no stashes left
- it is impossible to get through a liftline without getting asked about the skis, and the overwhelming consensus is they are the prettiest skis people have ever seen
They will be my go-to for the stupid deep inbounds days from here on out, and next season I look forward to getting them on some mechanized gnar in the frozen north
Day four was a success for me as well; 20,000 feet of human powered vert this week on them. Worth it for the right snow! I’m really enjoying the experience of feeling out what they can do.
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Just like my 192 138s, best tree ski ever. Even at 200cm. Bases are fast. I was a bit worried as that was a great feature of 138 vs ARG. ARG slow as fuk. These are fast. Skate outs are very nice at 132 vs 138. Much better side stepping too.
Also: they make mellow terrain on deeper days possible. You can enjoy a stash that others don’t venture to because they cannot maintain the momentum to either get there or ski it when they do get there. Because your surfing and they are down on the bottom getting all the drag.
I still like my 190 bibbys for stupid deep days - face and chest shots….doable but harder with c132/138s. I like the shape for wind blown, or upside down, or crust. And sure deep days, but it depends on if you want stupid fast and surfy or down in it…
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I am happy you dont ski at my mountain otherwise you would be all up in my secret stashes :)Quote:
Originally Posted by wapiti hunter
Well just pulled the trigger on some 190 free rides. First time in forever I bought new skis.
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Currently in Scotland, but rumors are saying I'll need my 132s come Tuesday.
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This is the way
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Originally Posted by mc_roon
They’re amazing. From tight tree stashes to wide open powder fields, steep or low-angle, they’re absolute bliss. Such a blast. I’m on the 200s (mounted at -10.5, for 335mm BSL), and I can’t think of a really good reason I’d want to size down. I’m 6’8” tall and 210lbs with gear. Besides the stellar ski experience, I’m really satisfied with how well they handle the traverses, skates, sidesteps, and slogs. Marshal, these skis are truly a masterpiece. Well done, sir.
Goods got got.
and impressions were formed.
ARGs have die cut bases, right? The JJs do (I think all Armadas do but could be wrong).Quote:
Originally Posted by wapiti hunter
Die cut bases are slow for sure — but IME that's pretty hard to notice in pow.
In pow no.Quote:
Originally Posted by upallnight
On the transfer tow, or the home run flatts, at Alta? Or the traverse out Catherine’s? It makes a difference. Total energy expended on traverses into or out of bounds is what I appreciate about the bases on the 132 and 138s. My sister use to run ARGs with die cut bases and would expend a lot of energy just trying to keep up. We switched skis. Totally was the bases…both were new skis at the time.
Had it this weekend again at my home resort. Traversing and skating out of bounds back into bounds is EASYier than 2017 117mm bibby pros due to the bases… that saying the bibbys are shot.
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Initial test results indicate that these skis love 3’ of untracked in British Columbia tree / pillow lines. Who would have guessed?
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About FKNA time! These arrived after California's insane December and january storms ended. Then i literally tried to get out and let these loose five times during our monster storms that began last Friday, but got shut down every time. The roads remained closed forever, then the wind stripped all the snow away leaving terrible conditions, then another storm rolled in Saturday that shut the mountains down completely yesterday... but today i got these out after a foot of cold (for california) fresh fell on a completely closed mountain. I got first chair at june mountain on a bluebird day with no crowds.
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I am 6' and 180lbs on 190 FR132's mounted -11.5cm. There was about a foot of fresh on top of firm. It was cold and dry by California standards. I am new to R/R, so my most comparable skis are 186 volkl threes (135mm, fully rockered, straight AF with virtually no sidecut, moderately stiff, heavy, and rearward mount). In comparison, I think the volkl threes float a tiny bit better due to the big ass tips, but both of these are amazing and notably more than a billygoat or the like. The extra float allowed me to carry speed into more stashes that others couldn't reach as easily. On runouts the bases were moderately fast, but nothing notable good or bad when it comes to glide. I did point it over some hidden shark's teeth and they didn't leave a mark, so they are definitely durable. I really had to focus on long catracks back to the lift, but that's just R/R and it definitely wasn't terrifying. I never felt the need to swap out skis and skied them all day, but i chose June mountain because the powder lasts all day here if you know where to look.
I immediately found these intuitive in powder and there was very little adjustment. Compared to more conventional pow skis i did find these wanted to turn quickly enough that i had to make sure they didn't overturn on big, steep faces which there are quite a few of off of the J1 chair. I think once i figured that out these were basically tied with volkl threes at making big, fast arcing pow turns. It was hardly bottomless with about a foot of new on top of a base that actually hardened quite a lot after getting 10' throughout the previous week. I had to learn to trust these as i occasionally bounced off the hard underneath, but the weight and moderately stiff flex of the FR build allowed me to trust it quickly. The extra float was appreciated as i know i was staying off the bottom a lot more than most people.
What took me the longest to trust these skis on were windswept entrances and choppy runouts. Wind is insane in the sierras when it storms so even if it's dropped 10' in a week the top of a ridge can be hard AF. Luckily today there were only moderately firm and windstripped entrances which quickly transitioned to soft and deep again. On the choppy runouts i realized there was nothing to fear and i could continue to arc big turns or drift just like it wasn't tracked. Now today's snow was especially dry for our mountains, so it was not consolidating crud, but truly soft chop. In these conditions they rule. I will have to wait to find out how limited they are in heavy crud another day... oh well. I will add that i noticed a few areas of moderate wind and sun crust a lot less than other people. I can see how well these can do in funky layers.
Honestly today was so good on a fully rockered superfat that I can't tell you exactly what was different over a more conventional ski like a volkl three. I think i could zip through tight trees with greater ease, but I don't think the three's suck at that either. But this is something I can't overstate: they just did everything in pow that i wanted without much thought. I didn't notice them. They disappeared whenever the snow was 3d. I bought these for my upcoming first heli trip at the end of the month and was afraid i would have to bring them with no real experience on a R/R. Now i am going with full confidence and contemplating what second ski i will bring for a few resort days surrounding the heli part of my trip.
Yeah man! Waiting on my 130 brakes - can't wait to get a shot w these especially with this feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by chewski