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Wow. Starting to see the light/hype now that they did some work and I have had a few more days on them. The fit is getting really good. Now that I am finally all the way back in the heel pocket and my achilles fits in the "channel" in the back I may want to add some cork to the top of the instep. Is that doable? Halfway between the toes and ankle on top of my foot feels like there is just a bit too much space in there.
Depending on how far down the foot, you can inject more cork and move to down the to the bottom of the tongue pocket. That may help out. It doesn’t go very far into the foot area unfortunately. If that doesn’t work you can drop a thin bontex insole in to help take up the volumn or a heavy ski sock.Quote:
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I stuck some neoprene to the top of my foot. Found some bomber double sided tape that’s held up so far. As I tune it I’ll probably glue down with neoprene cement.Quote:
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You can add cork all the way down to that blue cutout window on the tongue, and maybe a little bit past that, I’m not positive. Shove the cork tube as far down as you can from the top of the tongue. Before you do anything, put the tube of cork in the microwave for 15-20 seconds to make your life easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
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There doesn’t appear to be a fixed ring of cork at the ankle like I first understood. All pockets are accessible via the top. The red lines represent a crimp that you can’t move cork across. To get cork to the Achilles, push the tube as high and far back as you can and then work it around the crimp and down the Achilles channel.
Cool to see how the tongue works. The entry port is an inch lower than the highest point you can fill. So basically you can fill it really high on the sides but there will be a 1”x1” square in the centre that has no cork in it.
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Tongue detail
Nice details! Did you cut open your own GFTs for this science experiment?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
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I hope that GFT was already dead 🙁
Thanks. I couldn’t find my photo of the clear pouch. Your second photo is misleading as the ankle chamber isn’t independent. I’m not sure where that rumour originally came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleBogey
The liners were a warranty set that had some stitching blow out. I can tell you that they are well made, that’s for sure.
Yeah I grabbed those pics from skitalk, which has a great thread on Zipfits. It’s always fun to see for yourself.
Maybe worth noting that the only way to remove cork is through the top area, the cork tube won’t fit anywhere else. For me, I’ve had to move a bunch cork to that area to remove it.
I think I need more cork in the youngest of my gara lvs. I have a tube but no plunger, planning to 3d print one this week.
Anything I should know other than heat it up and push it in? I am looking to take up some volume lengthwise at the bottom front of my ankle, it feels snug up higher and on the side but less so there so this seems like a good option.
Martini spoons or whatever theyre called work great for removing cork
Be careful how much you add, do it little by little. If you add to much you can really screw things up, I know from experience. Once you get a little cork in there, move it by hand to where you think you need it. 1mm goes a mile, as they say.
You can just go to your hardware store and get a wood dowel for $3 to push the cork in unless 3d printing is your thing, I have no experience with that.
Here to extol the virtues of Zipfit (Gara LV)... my first.
Coming from an Intuition PW... WRG, you had me concerned. I'm glad things are going in the right direction for you.
Best heel retention I've felt in foreva... but I'm having trouble alleviating pressure across the instep.
Moving and molding was easy. Left the liners in an older heated boot bag (that only gets to about 90°) for days. Mounted the liner and boot for an hour or so 3 times adding 2 tubes of cork. Then skied them toasted up twice.
Used a heat gun on low to make incremental changes after 15sec in the microwave. There is zero cork in the base of the tongue at this point.
I'm about to try skipping the bottom two loops for the laces.
If that doesn't work, I'm considering shaving the bottom of the bootboard... I never ran much buckle pressure (unless snow is heinous) and currently just enough to keep them in place.
Any trix to reducing the volume across the top of the instep?
eta: GBC, pics of the sliced up liner added some clarity [emoji108]
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Skip the bottom lace loop. If there’s cork in the window it’ll eventually find its way to the right spot and there won’t be pressure there anymore.
I skipped the bottom lace and put in a much thinner lacing system. Made all the difference.
If you still have clearance issues, shave the boot board. I have too on all boots.
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I did the same^ with the laces
Zipfit really should sell all their liners with the super thin laces (already on the Corsas). Much, much better than the thick laces, quicker to tighten, likely stronger.
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I just pulled my laces right out.
#willidie?
I had no problem with the laces..it was the tightening mechanism. I didn’t like it in my shell so I tried it outside the shell and didn’t love that either.
I tie mine likes shoes, the lace stopper blowsQuote:
Originally Posted by gwat
Agree. The laces on the new Corsa are so much better. Don't even notice they are there.Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
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Okay Then... Laces moved up. Corsa laces ordered. Possibly giving the pliable rubber tongue stiffener some dremel buffing on the medial side without cutting the stitches and thinning the boot board to gain some wiggle room in the overly snug toe box along with providing some height for the instep.
Generally, besides the finite pressure point, my concern is the reported diminished warmth that seems to be the consensus in reviews. Although the liner appears ready to deal. Plush wool interior and exterior neoprene membrane... it hasn't been really cold here.
27.5 in a 27.5 - The liner is "stuffed"
Will report back...
I run a pair of Gara 27.5 in my 26.5 Tecnica Mach 1 MV. I found it fits the shell better and gives me more room in the toe area. The 26.5 liner was a bit short.
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I just squish it out and remold people. I’ve never even tried to get it with a spoon or tube because squishing it out is so easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleBogey
I just squish it out and remold people. I’ve never even tried to get it with a spoon or tube because squishing it out is so easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleBogey
We get it man. You just squish it out. Lol. [emoji6].
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Did you hear? I squish it out. Haha
Gepeto, pull those laces out of the bottom loops (or bottom two if that’s where the pressure is)
, make sure the ports for the cork pockets aren’t big wrinkled balls (I fold them in half and just barely tuck them in,
Do you get relief undoing your buckles? How far up your foot is the pressure (toes/ball/instep)? If it’s just down low on the foot, you can try adding cork further up the foot so that you can do your boots up looser but still be held.
How soft does the cork actually get when heated?
I did my 2nd bake last night after the third day skiing them. Baked at 200deg for ~15min. Baked probably too long / hot - the black plastic cuff material was hot and “tacky”….
But the cork has never felt soft enough to easily displace without a decent amount of force.
Fit is definitely getting better each use / bake.
…Just curious….
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Yeah 200* for 15 minutes is too much. I heard a good recommendation is 170 and then turn the oven off and leave for 10-15 minutes. Sometimes I just use a hair dryer, 5 minutes, no more than 10, almost always gets it soft enough to move cork.
I mean, it’s not going to become liquified. If you get it warm and get your boots on, you’re going to have to flex your boot or ski them to get them dialed in. Doing it at home is only the first step. If you can, have them warm before you ski.
Just bought a second pair of leather ZF Workhorses.
I have a second pair of ski boots at home and like to leave another pair of boots up at Whistler. Same shells (Nordica Strider 120).
Spent $1,200 CDN (2 x $600 per pair) on two pairs of Zipfits. Money on ZF’s is money way better spent than similar $ amount spent at Surefoot for one liner that didn’t work.
ZF Liner pair #1:
I’ve done 2 bakes for 10 min at 130F in our steam oven (on confection not steam) and had ~12 good ski days in the first pair. Got Surefoot footbeds in them. Loving the feel/fit of the leather in the Workhorse. The leather interior holds your heel down very well. And don’t do the laces too tight.
They’re comfy and hold great.
ZF Liner pair #2:
The second pair seems “newer” and there is definitely a bit more omfit cork over the instep. Painful at the moment. 2 short bake for 8 and 10 min at 135F and I was able to push some of the cork off the instep. Need a second pair of footbeds now. Then set for years.
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Nick, I find a heat stack works the best to warm up the cork without damaging any glues. Our boot oven goes to 180F I believe. I find 7 minutes in that works but the heat can be uneven and potentially make the sole delam a little bit. When you heat it up, make sure you don’t just stand still. It won’t move much. Instead flex in it, move around, pump that cork. Skiing still makes the final changes but working it after a hearing will get you heal to the back and make it go from uncomfortable to comfy enough.
If you're fitting at home user the microwave. I was hesitant at first, but it is seamless and recommended by Zipfit as the 1st option on their page.
I'm done beating this dead horse, but 10-15sec at a time in the nuker vs 15 min in the oven? get realQuote:
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I had mine baked at the shop and they fit pretty dang well from day one.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickwm21
For the first week I would fill two 500ml water bottles with piping hot tap water and stuff one inside each liner while driving to the hill. That seemed to help really dial in the fit.
GoldenBC… I think I answer your questions in posts 256 & 264?
So the update…
Surgery went well and the patient is doing fine. You can see from the depression in the tongue material that there was room for improvement.
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Unfortunately it wasn’t enough and I had to attack the bootboards. Well, I Over Sent It just a bit. Milled from the midfoot forward until I got to a tolerable level of instep pressure. Took the setup out for a ski - okay, but not great and when I extricated myself from the shell outside in the cold, the bootboards broke into a bunch of pieces. These things are made of Le Sheit.
Subsequently skied without bootboards and what do you know! Super comfy with zero slop. The only detraction was the loss of some necessary ramp angle and that just won’t do in 2d snow. So I decided to build my own bootboards. A little wayz to go - hopefully the end result turns out the way I would like :~|
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How'd you fit the bottles in there with your feet? #drivewithyourbootsonQuote:
Originally Posted by gwat
Anyone using a Ski Boot Horn? Randomly saw someone using one with zips on an IG post. Kinda just looks like cutting board roll type material. I suppose I could just make my own. I think it would help quite a bit. Definitely takes a bit to get my heel in after smashing the liner into the boot in the parking lot.
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A little silicone spray in the boot - inside back of the cuff and where your toes hit the floor first and the boot horn. The material (polystyrene) is half the thickness of a throwaway cutting board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
8$ for factory 2nd's:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/11510091398...mis&media=COPY
but it's practically indestructible.
Used it with intuitions for six years before the zipfit