~1300g boot thread

After much trial and error, and many trips to various shops to try on different touring boots, I’ve come to the conclusion that no touring boot currently on the market fits the way I want a ski boot to fit. Coming from a racing background, and skiing an atomic redster CS130 as my inbounds boot, I just cannot find a touring boot that secures my foot properly, but is still long enough to preserve my toenails. (I know I’m not the only one who thinks that all touring boots have too much volume.)

Today I tried on a zero g peak (I know, not in this category…bear with me…) a full size down, and a lightbulb went off. Finally, a snug fit around the heel and ankle, even though it’s too short. But since I do not ever plan on using a touring boot in anything but a pin binding, I thought why not just punch the toe to give me more length? Problem is, I’d need something close to 3+mm (a guess). I know a lot of these boots don’t punch well.


So, I’m coming to you all for some advice: are there any boots in this 1300g category that would hold a substantial punch in the toe box? I’m willing to consider a lighter boot, but I don’t want to get up into the true 50/50 category—I will never ride a lift with this boot. That said, I ski somewhat aggressively and, being an east coaster, often tour in less-than-ideal snow conditions.

I know I could take up room with an after market liner—that’s what I’m doing now, and it’s…not great! I want the shell to fit my foot!

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by AlecO

After much trial and error, and many trips to various shops to try on different touring boots, I’ve come to the conclusion that no touring boot currently on the market fits the way I want a ski boot to fit. Coming from a racing background, and skiing an atomic redster CS130 as my inbounds boot, I just cannot find a touring boot that secures my foot properly, but is still long enough to preserve my toenails. (I know I’m not the only one who thinks that all touring boots have too much volume.)

Today I tried on a zero g peak (I know, not in this category…bear with me…) a full size down, and a lightbulb went off. Finally, a snug fit around the heel and ankle, even though it’s too short. But since I do not ever plan on using a touring boot in anything but a pin binding, I thought why not just punch the toe to give me more length? Problem is, I’d need something close to 3+mm (a guess). I know a lot of these boots don’t punch well.


So, I’m coming to you all for some advice: are there any boots in this 1300g category that would hold a substantial punch in the toe box? I’m willing to consider a lighter boot, but I don’t want to get up into the true 50/50 category—I will never ride a lift with this boot. That said, I ski somewhat aggressively and, being an east coaster, often tour in less-than-ideal snow conditions.

I know I could take up room with an after market liner—that’s what I’m doing now, and it’s…not great! I want the shell to fit my foot!

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None of the carbon reinforced Grilamid boots punch well, and I've distorted the toes of my Zero G Peak Carbons trying to make them work. If you can size down from your normal Redster CS a mondopoint, your Redster is probably on the big side; the Zero G Peak shells run about 3/4 size short. In the 1300 gram category, the Zero G Tour Pro and Atomic Backland XTD Carbon both punch well for toe length. The closest thing to a snug ankle fit in a boot with reasonable touring mode is the old orange/black Polyamide Hawx Ultra XTD, but it will be more like 1450 grams with a thin liner (26.5).

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Originally Posted by gregL

None of the carbon reinforced Grilamid boots punch well, and I've distorted the toes of my Zero G Peak Carbons trying to make them work. If you can size down from your normal Redster CS a mondopoint, your Redster is probably on the big side; the Zero G Peak shells run about 3/4 size short. In the 1300 gram category, the Zero G Tour Pro and Atomic Backland XTD Carbon both punch well for toe length. The closest thing to a snug ankle fit in a boot with reasonable touring mode is the old orange/black Polyamide Hawx Ultra XTD, but it will be more like 1450 grams with a thin liner (26.5).

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Thanks this is helpful. Need to stay away from the carbon. Also interesting to hear the peak runs short. I am in a 28 in my redsters—definitely feel like it’s a performance fit. (I measure 29.5 or thereabouts.) I am currently in a 2022 Hawx ultra in a 29, which is too big. The peak that felt good in the ankle was a 27(!!!), but way too short. I tried on a zgpt in a 28 and it was too roomy in the ankle. (They didn’t have a 27 to try.) I also tried on a quantum free in a 28 that was both very short and way too roomy in the ankle. I’m very curious about the backland xtd, so good to hear that it can take a punch. I’ll have to go find someplace to try it on.

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Originally Posted by AlecO

Thanks this is helpful. Need to stay away from the carbon. Also interesting to hear the peak runs short. I am in a 28 in my redsters—definitely feel like it’s a performance fit. (I measure 29.5 or thereabouts.) I am currently in a 2022 Hawx ultra in a 29, which is too big. The peak that felt good in the ankle was a 27(!!!), but way too short. I tried on a zgpt in a 28 and it was too roomy in the ankle. (They didn’t have a 27 to try.) I also tried on a quantum free in a 28 that was both very short and way too roomy in the ankle. I’m very curious about the backland xtd, so good to hear that it can take a punch. I’ll have to go find someplace to try it on.

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Backland XTD will likely feel massive in the ankle for you if I had to take a guess (I'm running one now).

Could look at La Sportiva options? I think they tend to run lower volume than a lot of other brands.

As someone with a FIS racing background, for the longest time I wanted the same thing. I eventually realized no touring boot will ever come close to fitting like a plug boot, nor should they.

That's not to say having good ankle hold is impossible but you're probably going to end up taking up space either through a HV or MV liner OR just have a bit more wiggle room. You're not going to ski a touring ski like a race ski, so your boots don't really need the same level of precision.

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Originally Posted by nyskirat

Backland XTD will likely feel massive in the ankle for you if I had to take a guess (I'm running one now).

Could look at La Sportiva options? I think they tend to run lower volume than a lot of other brands.

As someone with a FIS racing background, for the longest time I wanted the same thing. I eventually realized no touring boot will ever come close to fitting like a plug boot, nor should they.

That's not to say having good ankle hold is impossible but you're probably going to end up taking up space either through a HV or MV liner OR just have a bit more wiggle room. You're not going to ski a touring ski like a race ski, so your boots don't really need the same level of precision.

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Similarly helpful; thanks. I fear you’re right, and I totally get that (and have been dealing with it for the last three seasons in my Hawx!). The tricky part I’m trying to work out is the tension between trying to be in a mondo size that feels right(ish), and the need for enough length so that I don’t lose all my toenails after my first flat skin. Hence my question about which of these can take a toe punch. I will definitely check out the sportiva offerings.

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Originally Posted by AlecO

After much trial and error, and many trips to various shops to try on different touring boots, I’ve come to the conclusion that no touring boot currently on the market fits the way I want a ski boot to fit. Coming from a racing background, and skiing an atomic redster CS130 as my inbounds boot, I just cannot find a touring boot that secures my foot properly, but is still long enough to preserve my toenails. (I know I’m not the only one who thinks that all touring boots have too much volume.)

Today I tried on a zero g peak (I know, not in this category…bear with me…) a full size down, and a lightbulb went off. Finally, a snug fit around the heel and ankle, even though it’s too short. But since I do not ever plan on using a touring boot in anything but a pin binding, I thought why not just punch the toe to give me more length? Problem is, I’d need something close to 3+mm (a guess). I know a lot of these boots don’t punch well.


So, I’m coming to you all for some advice: are there any boots in this 1300g category that would hold a substantial punch in the toe box? I’m willing to consider a lighter boot, but I don’t want to get up into the true 50/50 category—I will never ride a lift with this boot. That said, I ski somewhat aggressively and, being an east coaster, often tour in less-than-ideal snow conditions.

I know I could take up room with an after market liner—that’s what I’m doing now, and it’s…not great! I want the shell to fit my foot!

Thoughts?

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Similar challenges for me. There’s not a touring boot on the market with the ankle fit and skiing position of your CS130s. The now discontinued Salomon S-Lab X-Alp and almost identical Arc’teryx Procline (V2) came close, but obviously didn’t sell. Using an Intuition liner to take up volume, and grinding and wedging to modify the stance can make any number of generic touring boots acceptable for powder skiing, but they remain mediocre in anything challenging. Custom 3D printed boots can’t come fast enough.

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Originally Posted by AlecO

Thanks this is helpful. Need to stay away from the carbon. Also interesting to hear the peak runs short. I am in a 28 in my redsters—definitely feel like it’s a performance fit. (I measure 29.5 or thereabouts.) I am currently in a 2022 Hawx ultra in a 29, which is too big. The peak that felt good in the ankle was a 27(!!!), but way too short. I tried on a zgpt in a 28 and it was too roomy in the ankle. (They didn’t have a 27 to try.) I also tried on a quantum free in a 28 that was both very short and way too roomy in the ankle. I’m very curious about the backland xtd, so good to hear that it can take a punch. I’ll have to go find someplace to try it on.

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The unfortunate truth is that the better the ROM and the lighter the boot, the worse your chances of finding a snug ankle fit. This will likely not change due to the engineering challenges of making the hinging cuff work well, as well as fitting the vast majority of ankle shapes and volumes.

I've been able to get a full size increase on several Dynafit and Salomon Grilamid boots, but they still don't come close to the fit and power of my Redster CS or Hawx Ultra Professionals. I ski them with that in mind.

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Originally Posted by kootenayskier

Similar challenges for me. There’s not a touring boot on the market with the ankle fit and skiing position of your CS130s. The now discontinued Salomon S-Lab X-Alp and almost identical Arc’teryx Procline (V2) came close, but obviously didn’t sell. Using an Intuition liner to take up volume, and grinding and wedging to modify the stance can make any number of generic touring boots acceptable for powder skiing, but they remain mediocre in anything challenging. Custom 3D printed boots can’t come fast enough.

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I'd add either an old TLT5P or TLT6P (GREEN one, not the Black/Orange one) to those two. The TLTs are more upright in stance vs. the X-Alp/Procline (TLTs are 16 degrees). Yes, old and almost definitely going to be used if found (they come up for sale surprisingly frequently), but for narrow feet/heels, it's unlikely you can do better apart from kootenay's recommendations (which are less old). I put plug wraps in mine and a booster strap and am consistently shocked by how well they ski/walk.

ETA: My ankles are so skinny a bootfitter asked me if I’d had some kind of injury. I can make a ZGTP work with a tour wrap or GFT with added cork.

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Originally Posted by gregL

The unfortunate truth is that the better the ROM and the lighter the boot, the worse your chances of finding a snug ankle fit. This will likely not change due to the engineering challenges of making the hinging cuff work well, as well as fitting the vast majority of ankle shapes and volumes.

I've been able to get a full size increase on several Dynafit and Salomon Grilamid boots, but they still don't come close to the fit and power of my Redster CS or Hawx Ultra Professionals. I ski them with that in mind.

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A full size increase by punching the toe would be huge, as I really do notice a big difference in ankle fit when sizing down. I definitely don’t expect any touring boot to match the fit or performance of my redsters. But what I’m hearing is that non-carbon grilamid might be able to handle the punch i would need if i sized down for good ankle hold.

TLT6 is worth a try and would be found (if found) cheap enough to experiment with. Sportiva skorpius is where it seems many have landed as a tlt6 replacement.

Combing shell work with thin liners and you can get yourself closer to a true race fit in a >1300g boot. But like nyskirat, I wouldn’t stress about finding the last 1% of a performance fit if you’ve got a comfortable boot. You’ll either be driving lighter skis in good snow where you won’t notice much performance loss, or you’ll be driving lighter skis in less good snow where skiing fast is no longer the priority. And you’ll never be upset that you prioritized a warm boot. I’m not advocating for sizing up (I still run >1 finger shell fit) but more of reminder that you’re in a light boot because you intend to spend a long day on your feet going uphill.


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Lots of good advice here. I tour a lot more than I ski inbounds and keep moving towards more comfortable fit. Too big def causes it's own issues, but you need room for your feet to swell on big days (about >6k vert or so for me). That's when I notice foot issues.

Currently using the Transalp boots and have found the ankle fit to be too tight. It gives me pressure points on medial malleolus. I've been working with a fitter who prescribed varus wedges and did a few punches but probably still need more space.

I'm gonna find out soon since we now have a shitload of pow that I have to go ski

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I've skimmed the thread but I'm looking for some general advice about finding a boot in this category that will actually work with my foot. I have a high arch but to complicate matters it's also farther forward than normal. This makes finding a boot that doesn't cut off circulation in my toes tough. GregL fit me in a Hawx Prime XTD a couple years back. It's the best fitting boot that I've ever had. Literally every ski boot that I've owned before that had me unbuckling my boot at the bottom of each run and usually taking the boot off midday to let my toes regain circulation.

I'm interested in something for longer alpine days and volcano skiing, so I need it to still ski reasonably well but be lighter and have better range of motion than the Hawx.

Any advice appreciated.

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I've skimmed the thread but I'm looking for some general advice about finding a boot in this category that will actually work with my foot. I have a high arch but to complicate matters it's also farther forward than normal. This makes finding a boot that doesn't cut off circulation in my toes tough. GregL fit me in a Hawx Prime XTD a couple years back. It's the best fitting boot that I've ever had. Literally every ski boot that I've owned before that had me unbuckling my boot at the bottom of each run and usually taking the boot off midday to let my toes regain circulation.

I'm interested in something for longer alpine days and volcano skiing, so I need it to still ski reasonably well but be lighter and have better range of motion than the Hawx.

Any advice appreciated.

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I haven't tried it, but according to Blister, the Backland XTD 120 is the same last as the Hawx Prime XTD. So probably start there?

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Originally Posted by Buke

I've skimmed the thread but I'm looking for some general advice about finding a boot in this category that will actually work with my foot. I have a high arch but to complicate matters it's also farther forward than normal. This makes finding a boot that doesn't cut off circulation in my toes tough. GregL fit me in a Hawx Prime XTD a couple years back. It's the best fitting boot that I've ever had. Literally every ski boot that I've owned before that had me unbuckling my boot at the bottom of each run and usually taking the boot off midday to let my toes regain circulation.

I'm interested in something for longer alpine days and volcano skiing, so I need it to still ski reasonably well but be lighter and have better range of motion than the Hawx.

Any advice appreciated.

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I have a really small ankle, high arch, normal forefoot. The backland XTD is the best I've found, really good walk mode, good skiing, little heavier than others that are more uphill oriented but I think the walk mode makes up for it. It has a really thick liner that can help with some fit issues. High arch will be tight to begin with but likely workable long term. Downside to thick liner is I find them more awkward walking uphill. Now that they're packed out I'm having to add some material around my ankle to make it all work.

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I have a really small ankle, high arch, normal forefoot. The backland XTD is the best I've found, really good walk mode, good skiing, little heavier than others that are more uphill oriented but I think the walk mode makes up for it. It has a really thick liner that can help with some fit issues. High arch will be tight to begin with but likely workable long term. Downside to thick liner is I find them more awkward walking uphill. Now that they're packed out I'm having to add some material around my ankle to make it all work.

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Cmor, sounds like we have similar feet. My forefoot is fairly normal width but I always need to pad the heels to keep my narrow heel from sliding around.

The Atomic Backland XTD 120 is very interesting but it's only about a 200g savings per boot. Maybe the improved range of motion in tour mode will make up for it but it's hard to justify that much $$ unless the benefits are significant.

maybe worth trying it on as i think the increase in ROM can make it worth it even if its only 200g lighter.


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maybe worth trying it on as i think the increase in ROM can make it worth it even if its only 200g lighter.


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That's what I decided going from a Hawx Ultra XTD to a Transalp Pro Carbon

Alright, can somebody compare the last fit of a Backland XTD to a Transalp Pro? I've had a chance to put an XTD on my hooves but not the Transalp. Very interested in these two boots and also the Ridge and Skorp II

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Alright, can somebody compare the last fit of a Backland XTD to a Transalp Pro? I've had a chance to put an XTD on my hooves but not the Transalp. Very interested in these two boots and also the Ridge and Skorp II

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Can't compare Backland to Transalp but can (sort of) to Ridge. Only carpet-tested the Ridge, never A/Bed them against one another at the same time.

Went with a 26.5 Backland XTD vs. 27 Ridge. I think, BSL-wise, it's a 10mm external difference (or roughly there about) but internally felt similar.

Length - Felt pretty similar, I don't think I noticed a substantial difference but I never had them on next to one another.

Forefoot Width - felt pretty similar as well with the XTD being slightly wider at the very front

Instep Height - XTD's lack of a firm tongue made it much easier to work for a high instep. I felt the Ridge was extremely low at the very front of the boot (metacarpal area) despite the floating tongue which was the dealbreaker for me. The tongue DEFINITELY works for the traditional navicular/cuneiform height issues that many people have. I didn't think I'd ever get to a point with the Ridge to where it felt like I could spend all day in the boot with no issues so I sold them based off this.

Ankle - The XTD is WIDE here, even with the plush liner. The Ridge definitely felt narrower in this regard.

Flex - Ridge definitely felt more substantial with a more linear flex feeling than the XTD.

ROM - Again, only carpet test but felt pretty similar. Did enjoy the ease of the Hoji-lock system.

If the Ridge had fit my foot, it would have been an easy choice between the two IMO. Unfortunately it didn't.

I'll likely grab an MV or HV intuition to take up some of that ankle space after the stock is toast.

Just a quick update on my search for a "proper" fitting touring boot. After trying on a bunch of different boots in this category, I ended up finding that my foot got along really nicely with the Salomon S/Lab MTN Summit. It's not the most "low volume" boot, but I think the large forefoot allowed me to size down (to a 28, same size as my almost-race-fit Redster c/s) and get really good ankle and heel hold--better than my size 29 Hawx Ultra xtd, and way better than a similar-fitting 0G Peak and F1LT that I tried on. I also found that the "touring belt" is not a gimmick and really does lock my foot in nicely. I may still need a toe punch, but I did a short tour today (two 900-foot laps) and it felt great on the up and down. (I could not find a shop to try the Skorpius, but the MTN Summit felt so good that I was happy to take it on the spot.)

Anyway, thought I'd mention this because this boot sorta feels like it flies under the radar a bit, and it might be worth looking at for people who are searching for a locked-in fit.

Just wanted to say that the backland XTDs really are great. Can drive the ultra stiff HL C90s no problem. Fit is intentionally comfortable, wouldn't want them any other way right now.

Did an instep ladder strap swap, works really sweet for locking the heel. More pressure on the navicular bone, but nothing uncomfortable.

Will at some point get GFTs for them, but after ten days, the stock liners are holding up pretty well.

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Just wanted to say that the backland XTDs really are great. Can drive the ultra stiff HL C90s no problem. Fit is intentionally comfortable, wouldn't want them any other way right now.

Did an instep ladder strap swap, works really sweet for locking the heel. More pressure on the navicular bone, but nothing uncomfortable.

Will at some point get GFTs for them, but after ten days, the stock liners are holding up pretty well.

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So you switched the left and right straps over the instep?

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

So you switched the left and right straps over the instep?

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Correct!

ONK discouraged me from drilling holes further back, but I did want the pressure more rearward.

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Correct!

ONK discouraged me from drilling holes further back, but I did want the pressure more rearward.

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Interesting. Yeah I feel it pushes more onto the top of my foot vs pulling me back.

May try this.

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Interesting. Yeah I feel it pushes more onto the top of my foot vs pulling me back.

May try this.

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At least it's a harmless procedure, so if it doesn't work for you, can always reverse it. [emoji846]

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I’ve been skiing the ZGTP for the past four seasons and generally love them for free ride touring, but wish they had better ROM. Last season I got the Scarpa F1 XT as a mountaineering boot, and it has become my primary touring boot. The two boot quiver is fine but I keep wondering if there is something that would split the difference? I’m less concerned about weight than I am ROM and would like to get as close to the F1 XT in terms of ROM as possible.

My feet are medium width with a higher than average instep.

What should I be looking at? skorpius? New maestrale? Backland XTD?

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I’ve been skiing the ZGTP for the past four seasons and generally love them for free ride touring, but wish they had better ROM. Last season I got the Scarpa F1 XT as a mountaineering boot, and it has become my primary touring boot. The two boot quiver is fine but I keep wondering if there is something that would split the difference? I’m less concerned about weight than I am ROM and would like to get as close to the F1 XT in terms of ROM as possible.

My feet are medium width with a higher than average instep.

What should I be looking at? skorpius? New maestrale? Backland XTD?

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Ah yes the Goldilocks boot. You’re on the right track, also checkout the new Dynafit Ridge Pro. I just got a pair and I’m very impressed on the carpet. 1410g with an Intuition Tour Wrap and custom insoles in 27.5

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I’ve been skiing the ZGTP for the past four seasons and generally love them for free ride touring, but wish they had better ROM. Last season I got the Scarpa F1 XT as a mountaineering boot, and it has become my primary touring boot. The two boot quiver is fine but I keep wondering if there is something that would split the difference? I’m less concerned about weight than I am ROM and would like to get as close to the F1 XT in terms of ROM as possible.

My feet are medium width with a higher than average instep.

What should I be looking at? skorpius? New maestrale? Backland XTD?

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The Fischer Transalp Tour is pretty close in ROM to the F1 GT that I recently started using. I'm not sure it's worse, but I do certainly feel the weight difference and forward lean difference (Transalp is less upright/more aggressive). I still have some fit issues I'm working out with the Transalp, but the ski ability of the boot is quite good. The flex is maybe a little less stiff overall than the GT, at least in the beginning of the flex, but the boot overall is more supportive and feels closer to an alpine boot.

Can't compare those other models.

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I’ve been skiing the ZGTP for the past four seasons and generally love them for free ride touring, but wish they had better ROM.

What should I be looking at? skorpius? New maestrale? Backland XTD?

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New ZGTP has additional ROM. +5 degrees. Not sure how that compares to the F1 XT, but LeeLau said it was a noticeable improvement.

So what new boots in this category are coming out next season? Dynafit Ridge (out in limited sizes now), revised Tecnica Zero G, Head Crux... Anything else?

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New ZGTP has additional ROM. +5 degrees. Not sure how that compares to the F1 XT, but LeeLau said it was a noticeable improvement.

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Hmm, this is good news. The irony of the question is many of the more touring oriented boots (transalp, backland xtd) actually appear to weigh more than my ZGTPs, or about the same.

The Backland XTD may be a top
choice as I can get it from Evo to try on. Can anyone comment how the XTD compares to the ZGTP for skiing and climbing? Does it have major gains for climbing? Give up much for skiing?

I posted quite a bit more in the Backland XTD thread. It's substantially worse skiing than new ZGTP.

New ZGTP is not as good as Backland XTD touring but not by much.

Thanks for all this info. Seems like new ZGTP might be the ticket. Or I just run the current quiver through next season and see what comes along.

You should know that the zero g has a very thin liner, which will get uncomfortable very quickly

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2025 ZGPT vs Maestrale/RS - any comparisons?

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Hmm, this is good news. The irony of the question is many of the more touring oriented boots (transalp, backland xtd) actually appear to weigh more than my ZGTPs, or about the same.

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I think if you want it to ski as well as the Zero G, be prepared for around the same weight. Just find something with a low friction walk mode.

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Hmm, this is good news. The irony of the question is many of the more touring oriented boots (transalp, backland xtd) actually appear to weigh more than my ZGTPs, or about the same.

The Backland XTD may be a top
choice as I can get it from Evo to try on. Can anyone comment how the XTD compares to the ZGTP for skiing and climbing? Does it have major gains for climbing? Give up much for skiing?

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I can’t compare to the new ZGTP, I’ve owned the OG for several years, but I find the XTD walks much better. You are not fighting the shell in the forward motion.

Where the XTD crushes the ZGTP is transition. With the ZG you have to move all of the buckle wires to the loosest on the ladder and loosen the power strap to get full/decent walk. Then reverse to ski.

With the XTD you just open the top buckle and quick release power strap and you have a walk mode better than the ZG. I have terminally cold hands and this is super key for me. Then click, click, pull to ski.

Sure it doesn’t ski as well as the ZG, mainly less rebound and less real full boot feeling.

Honestly though I ski my woodsman tour 110 just fine with them in wild snow.

I’m only 155lbs for reference.

Had a Ridge boot on carpet. That’s going to be the winner for me but the pair I had was weird over the fore foot. Hopefully a one off and I’ll try a different pair.

CaliBrit is right. The XTD is like the Hoji boots in transition. Way quicker. To get a good tour mode from the new ZGTP I flip the 2, 3, 4 buckle and the walk mode + actually undo buckle 3. It's slower.

Rod. I've had 35 days on the new ZGTP liner. It's still good. However on spring skiing when it's warm I'm now getting a tiny bit of slop detectable by having to tighten more for ski mode...the older ZGTP liner by contrast was a noodle by day 30. Ie packed out to the point it was uncomfortable

Interesting, mine is last year's model, so maybe this is the difference.

I liked the old line better, it packed, sure, but i thought it was more comfortable. The new one, i feel the boot plastic everywhere.

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Rod. Yah... last years is unchanged from the first generation. This new generation has more plastic particularly at tongue.

Calibrit. I hadn't been my my Hojis so took them out on a long tour and you're definitely right. Quicker to transition. Buy my (new ZGTP) boots are also stiffer which was nice for some steeps