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okay, thanks for the information. still a bit of an exciting model range. But will it probably have its justification? :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
Hybrid still sounds exciting, but I don't know whether the added value compared to the XT3 130LV is so huge for me. probably not :-D
The free and the hybrid are both gripwalk soles. The hybrid is a PU light plastic and the Free is a PU dual. Pro tour is Grilamid. The hybrid is the same lower shell mold as the pro tour where as the free is based off the 97 and 100 lasts. The pro tour is a 9523 sole and the toe buckle is reversed. The liners are very similar between the hybrid and pro but the free is very different and more alpine based. All of the liners aren’t that great and I run zips in all my langes. (GFT, corsa 92 and a Gara stealth).
unless I’m doing a long tour somewhere, my xt3 140 is fine and if I do plan on hiking in them I throw my GFT in instead of my Gara.
Is the Pro 140 still just a 130 shell with a burlier liner?
Basically. It also has a cam strap and a cuff extension iirc.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Help me understand the Hybrid.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
so.. for those of us who swap liners (so call that equal for all three options), has anyone got any comments on the ski-feel of hybrid vs free, given the slightly different plastics?
Looking at the specs, there isn't a significant weight advantage for the hybrid. However, I'm not sure how the different stock liners affect that. anyone know more?
I can't see what significant advantage the Hybrid has over the Free. It seems like it's just the sole, without a weight or function benefit. Is it a fit thing (though the free comes in both LV&MV...soo ?)? Not much info out there about it.
I can't imagine why they built 3 models here, instead of just adding the grip walk slider onto the Tour and kept it to 2.
ultimately what I think I want is the weight/plastics of the Tour version, with the grip walk-option sole of the hybrid.
Currently have xt3freeLV, but in reality I'm a MV fit. If I was replacing today I'd be confused between the xt3freeMV and the Hybrid. ...or would I get a Tigard?
I picked up the XT3 Free 140 LV this week. They fit pretty well out of the box but I still want to mold them. I am seeing conflicting information on if the world cup liner with the cork ankle pocket and the Dual Core shell are moldable using traditional at home methods. What have you all done for your initial fit?
Didn’t do anything in mine other than footbeds. Probably have 15-20 days on them and they are damn comfy.
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Originally Posted by Lurch
Zipfits.
I am Zipfit curious but I don’t think I need the 400 - 500 upgrade over the stock liners just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
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I’d tend to agree. At least try them first. They are way nicer than the liners that came in my RX130s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurch
Got the Atomic XTD professional liners in my XT3 140s. Fucking great. Skis awesome. Skied a few days with some short tours out of the resort. Costs significantly less than zipfits and I won’t have to keep boomeranging back to a shop for more cork to dial in the fit.
$175 for second hand zips and a fistful of cork.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
$350 all in for the best travel boot I’ve ever had.
Won’t break down like foam.
I’ve tried the atomic pro mimic liner. they got nothing on zipfits for me at least.
but if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
The foam injection ones? For me they were a clear upgrade over zipfits. Mold once, good to go. Better hold than the zipfit cork provides. Not knocking on Zipfits they are awesome, but came out to be close to $150 cheaper than a new pair of zip fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by MD12
I don’t know if I’m down with second hand liners. Might move from the frugal to icky category for me. Same with helmets/goggles, gloves, and base/midlayers.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackattack
Skied them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurch
A lot of people buy stuff and barely use it. They’re not underwear or bike shorts.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
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Originally Posted by XavierD
the foam will be great for 50-75 days and then you will be on to another pair and by that time you will have spent more then zips. And the zips will last 500+ days. You are losing money after your first pair are shot.
I have about a dozen days in a pair of these now (I have 130s, not 140s, but same difference).
Overall I like the way they fit and ski, and accept the way they tour (I will be swapping the liner for something lighter and with more rearward flex at some point) especially after swapping the upper buckle ladders for some donors from a Cochise (that have a longer extension clip thingy for touring). Two issues that have been bugging me though. Probably already addressed in this thread but I haven't read all 11 pages.
1) the walk/ski mode ices up all the fucking time and won't go into ski mode. Specifically, it jams into that little slot. I've figured out how to clear it with a pole but it's an annoyance I'd rather not have, anyone have a solution here?
2) the soles are very thin in the toe and stepping into all my tech bindings is way more difficult than any other boot I've owned because the binding pins want to clamp above the inserts. It's really bad on my G3 Ions and Zeds, better on my Salomon Mtn Pins. Yes, I know the whole roll from one side blah blah blah, I've been skiing tech bindings for nearly 15 years, as I said no other boot has given me any issues. What tech bindings play well with these, especially in the "light-ish but full featured" category?
re tech toes: I'm happy with the MTN compatibility, though most often I'm in the xt-tour boot. The Vipec/Tecton toe works really well. The CAST toe is a PITA, it must be designed to accommodate some super high stack sole.