Electric F150 is coming too. I don't know about the timeline.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
I really can't wait to hear about Rivian from customers. It will be nice when they actually start making deliveries.
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Electric F150 is coming too. I don't know about the timeline.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
I really can't wait to hear about Rivian from customers. It will be nice when they actually start making deliveries.
For those of us socal folks who hit Mammoth on the weekends the Tesla Chargers in Bishop are now open:
https://www.tesla.com/findus/locatio...casupercharger
That is definitely a good thing.
Here is an example from ABRP about how such a trip could look:
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?pla...e-44b07044ce9f
Basically three 5-7 minute stops. That is not as convenient as ICE, but it is getting better. The extra charging stops allow one to charge at ideal points in the curve.
The Bishop chargers will also probably help alleviate crowds at the popular times. I usually drive at 4 am, so not as big of a deal for me, but this is good progress. I have found the Mammoth drive more doable than I thought it would be, these new chargers will make it even easier.
I’m really interested in hearing how the Rivian and all other fully electric vehicles perform in routinely very cold weather. Like if I leave it outside at my house overnight and it gets down to -15F, will it have a tough time firing up? Will plugging it in be required? Until that is answered I’m sticking with my gas Tacoma. But if that isn’t an issue, I can see myself buying one in the next 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Long duc dong
Obviously it's not as consistently cold down here in the city but no, starting up in subzero temps is not an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
Required no, advised, yes. My Bolt (and I assume most/all other EVs) has a heating and cooling system in the battery. That's why starting in cold weather isn't a problem - the car keeps the battery warm even when the car is turned off. Or in hot weather, it keeps the battery cool. If you're not plugged in, it's going to draw power from the battery to do that. So plugging in is advised so that you can use shore power for the battery conditioning rather than driving power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
If you have the capability to install a Level 2 charger at your house (and you should have one if you're planning to own an EV) then it's a non-issue.
The Ford dealer a mile away is running a E-Mustang event this afternoon. Gonna head over and check it out in a little bit.
I owned a first gen Leaf in the Summit Park area for years. Really cold weather degraded the battery performance a bit, but not noticeably compared to running heavy, studded snow tires or running the heater hard. A modern EV with a temp-controlled battery wouldn't have that problem at all. Running the resistance heater while driving up Parleys with a three passengers on studded snow tires in the dead of winter was dicey by the time I sold the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
But the OG Leaf is ten years old now and was only rated for 70 miles of range when it was brand new. I'm looking forward to getting a modern electric car soon, but I'm a cheap bastard. Tesla prices aren't for me.
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That is an interesting question. If I still lived in Tahoe I would be wondering about that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
This is not a starting issue, but cold weather definitely limits the battery power. The other day I started my model 3 at around 7 am after leaving it with an 11% charge from the night before. The temperature said 43 degrees, which I have a hard time believing because I have actually lived in cold weather, which is very cold for Newport Beach. Granted, it was 7 am and the sun was barely up and the car was parked under a tree. It gave me the cold weather warning and said the battery was at 8%. As I drove, and got out in the sun, the battery bumped up to around 10%. Cold weather definitely hurts the battery. For us Mammoth weekenders this is not THAT big of a deal, you rarely hit cold weather until the top of the Sherwin Grade, at which point the drive is 90% done, but living in a cold climate I would really want to be able to charge at home. -15F is some serious cold, it rarely got that cold in Tahoe or Mammoth or even growing up in the Hudson Valley, you would definitely lose lots of range, and in cold weather you really don't want that.
If you have a home charger, or there is a charger very close by, and you don't drive great distances it might not be too much of an issue. But if you live in a place like Montana, where it is always cold in the winter as opposed to mild like the Sierra, it could be an issue. You don't want your battery to die in the middle of nowhere at night when it is 20 below.
Watch Long Way Up on AppleTV. Ewan McGreggor and his entourage ride Harley E Bikes and Rivians from Ushuaia to LA. The first few weeks of their journey is basically in Polar and high desert climates with extreme cold. The bikes don’t do well at all. The Rivians seem to do better...Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
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Good info thanks. Also would plan on camping with it in winter so I wonder how that’d do. Maybe a solar panel on sunny days.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
Yeah... that math don't work. A big fucking solar panel like this one https://www.renogy.com/320-watt-mono...e-solar-panel/ produces 320 W (max) in a 66" X 40". That's pretty much your entire roof. In reality you're not getting anywhere near the full 320W when you account for sun angle etc... let's say you actually get 50%, so 160W. The mid-level Rivian battery pack is supposedly 135 kWh. So, it's going to take 8hr to get 1% additional charge out of your 320W panel running at 50% efficiency. Even if you got the full 320W you still need 4hr to get 1% capacity. (This is super rough and ignoring some variables but close enough for our purposes).Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
So yeah... recharging your battery off a solar panel on the roof of the truck ain't happening.
FWIW I'm losing about 25% of my range in the winter in the Bolt. If parking overnight not plugged in maybe assume another 5% is going to be lost. Then think about how far you're going to drive and relative to the overall range. As good as EVs are for typical daily driving, there's still a ways to go when it comes to use in remote areas.
But what if the solar powered a heater than just kept the batteries from getting too cold? I obviously know Jack shit though. Whatever. I’ll probably be driving a Tacoma gasser for the next 10 years like I did the last one anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
I need to replace my Forester in the next couple of years, and I am thinking about an EV. My routine commute is from the Sierra foothills to Donner Summit with two passengers, two big dogs, ski gear, and a roof box. 45 miles each way (90 total), 4000 feet up and then 4000 feet down. I will charge the car at night at 2800 feet in the foothills so it won't be too cold. No options for charging the car during the day. I am looking at a Model 3, Mustang Mach E, or the ID3. AWD with winter tires. Usually my commute is 50 minutes each way, but it might increase to 2 hours on holidays.
In those conditions, how much nominal range as stated by the manufacturer do I need for my 90 mile drive?
What else should I look at other than the 3, Mach E, or ID3? I know I can get bigger EVs with more range if spend more, but price is a concern for me.
In those conditions
I’m no expert on the market but I don’t recall any other AWD choices in the affordable category. I keep hearing that the Kia/Hyundai platform was going to have AWD e option but haven’t seen that yet.
Your use model seems pretty well suited to any EV with 200+ nominal range. No extreme cold during daylight hours, and tons of regen on your drive home.
Not to get too off-topic, but when I saw Mustang Mach E, my initial thought was why would you want a sports car for driving up to the ski hill?Quote:
Originally Posted by harpo-the-skier
Then I looked it up and realized Ford has lost their fucking mind by making the Mustang an SUV. What fucked up auto-heresy is this? Whoever decided to make the Mustang into an SUV needs to be kicked out of the auto industry for life.
Not to mention that it looks like a pile of hot garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetzen
Why does the auto industry insist on making electric vehicle look so shitty?
It's all about the sleekness for aerodynamic purposes while still making it look 4/10 attractive for the masses.
Lol yup. What's even more hilarious is that although they call it an "SUV", it only has 5.7" of ground clearance. The battery floor hangs WAY low. So they plopped the car on top and called it an SUV because they couldn't figure out how to integrate it like Tesla or Porsche. Look at it with the doors open and you'll see how poorly thought out it actually is.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetzen
I'd be much more positive about the vehicle if only they just called it the "Mach E", and left the Mustang moniker out of it. Straight blasphemy.
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pm old goat if you find a good cord.
I don't think range will be an issue for your 90 mile round trip with any of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by harpo-the-skier
4000 feet up with a full car, you will be able to watch the battery meter deplete in real time. But that's only 45 miles. And you'll probably gain battery charge on the way home from all the regen.
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Originally Posted by harpo-the-skier
Agree with frorider, any 200+ nominal range EV should make that drive easily. The first time you drive up the 4000ft is going to be terrifying as you watch your range drop like a rock, but coming back down the 4000ft in 45mi is going to use almost no battery at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
I've been driving a gen 1.5 ish Leaf for work, I would drive from 7900' to 9000' in 12 miles for a project, it'd use 20+ miles of range on the way up, -5 on the way down.
I love the Rivian look other than the lights, but I can get over that quickly.
I'd love that F150 when it comes out. It'd replace two ICE vehicles for us.
Just put in a grant proposal to the State of CO for one of these:
Attachment 358673
250kW, 125mi range with 72pass, 335HP, 1800lb/ft - https://thelionelectric.com/en/products/electric
$410k list with auto chains and other options.
VW dieselgate settlement money will provide a $300k grant. We would be the first mountain terrain + cold weather application for any of the three EV bus manufacturers.
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Love how it puts clean air applications closer to kids daily lives. Kudos. Hope it works out.
Nice idea on the bus but it's at least 100 miles short on range, especially in cold weather. The buses here do 2 runs every morning and afternoon elementary then middle/high school in a very hilly area. I remember somewhere in one of the bus upgrades a few years ago they said each bus averages over 180 miles a day.
... and are plugged in between runs?
I'm hoping to get a couple more years out of my '07 Frontier, especially since I only drive it to the dog park or to the slopes these days. Then take a look around 2023 and see what EV pickup trucks are being sold. But an EV F-150 would tick all the boxes. And I know GM has a whole slew of EV coming out in the next 2-3 years as well. I like the info I'm seeing on their battery pack design. Looks slick.Quote:
Originally Posted by grskier
https://www.gm.com/our-stories/commi...echnology.html
https://apnews.com/article/business-...dccb60dc6d348b
Get out of your bubble man.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravitylover
I think it's going to take Ford a while if not forever to get even close to Tesla or Rivian. They need to start an entirely new company that washes all their old car making ways away and start fresh as a tech company, not a car company. Electric cars are a damn computer tied to an electric motor with some wheels. Soon they'll have a button dead center of the dash - ctrl+alt+del
Thanks but that’s not my reality: private school, single routes. We’ll plan to use it for a daily route that covers 40-50mi with some additional 5-10mi field trips. It can plug in during the day and will be plugged in overnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravitylover
I know we won’t see 125mi range outside Sept/Oct or May, but my longest route is 45mi each way (plus 6000’ to 8000’ in the AM). I plan to see if we can use the bus for that as temps and range allows. I was scheduled to replace a diesel bus with a new one anyways ($115k), so this would be a huge win if we get the grant.
There are about 500 EV school buses in use across the country currently. Feedback so far has been very positive and I think it’s a massive area for improving student and community health.
it's great to see more transit oriented use of EV. I know that it's not the same, but I still remember my first time recognizing the electric trolley buses in SF. Amongst some trend setting agencies, there's a push to include EV construction equipment as part of their carbon neutrality goals.
Back to harpo's question. I (and many other mags) have been driving the various corridors from the foothills into the tahoe sierra area for decades. I see EV cars often in the winter in the tahoe area. more and more each year, which makes sense.
though the drive can be short and simple, winter conditions can make the drive take an incredibly long time. i've experienced situations in each corridor (hwys 20, 80, 50, and 88) where i, and all those near me, have been stuck for hours during heavy winter storms without any safe (or legal) means to turnaround. Many of these areas lack cell service (or radio signal) to get updates. if you're in an EV in this type of situation, would you be shit-out-of-luck or possibly exacerbate the traffic because your EV runs out of juice in the single available driving lane? For me, most of these experiences (in an ICE) have resulted in incredible powder days (in the BC and at the ski hill). the ski conditions were the reason for the trip. There have been a handful of times, where I have pulled the plug on the trip after sitting at the road closure for multiple hours. the "worst" was sac to carson spur closure gate to sac, which involved 9 hours total in the car.
there have been a few times for me where the slow drive was a surprise due to an unexpected accident or shit like fallen trees and power lines blocking the highway. These are things that were unreported at the last opportunity to check before being committed to the drive. There's also the classic overnight stay in your car on highways 50 and 88 because of avi control.
to me, it seems that there are several high risks if you only have an EV car with a short range and want to ski.
Bodywhomper, good point about the getting stuck on the road.
Once or twice a year, my commute might be 4 hours instead of 1.5 hours. I wonder if that would be a problem if I started with a full charge? How much battery life do you use standing still in an EV? If it is a problem, I could always take the F150 on those days, they are pretty predictable.
Just take the F150 if it's questionable. The heater and screen takes some juice in the cold, I don't know how much. How much gas does a heater take in an ICE car? I dunno either. Depends.
EVs are a bit of a compromise but if you are not traveling long distances and have a second car that is an ICE vehicle, the benefits outweigh the compromises by x100.
I am doing my due diligence on Tesla 3s and Ys. What is the deal with Tesla tires, and the lack of a spare? I understand that there are options to get back on the road after a flat with roadside assistance. Can you go with any other roadside assistance than Teslas? How about the repair kits? How about replacement tires, including winter or all season tires?
It sucks. Some people carry a spare in the frunk. I never use the frunk so I could see that as a possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by harpo-the-skier
I have a 12v inflator, fix a flat, etc in the trunk instead. I got a flat once and drove it kinda flat to a tire store, after inflating it. It was an expensive mistake for being lazy, I ruined the tire doing that and the tires they use are some weird ones that are not cheap. They are lined with sound-absorbing polyurethane foam material and that tire is hard to find to replace at the time.
Tesla also sells a repair kit for $200 plus. Does anyone have ideas about that? What options do you have for replacement tires? How is the performance different from the Tesla OEM tires? What about winter tires?
I just spent some time on the Tesla website. The tire repair kit with sealant and inflator is $80. 19" wheels with winter Pirelli tires are $3000. Comments?
Ok, those are odd questions. Good luck man, hope it works out for ya.
I don't know about Teslas but just general thoughts:
1) almost no new cars come with a spare these days
2) tires/wheels from OEMs are almost always ridiculously overpriced
3) EVs are typically spec'd with bricks for tires because that gives them the best range, but tires are tires and the car will still roll on different ones. You might take a range hit depending what you buy. Wheels too could affect range for aero reasons.
Personally I'm rolling my Bolt with no spare for now. I carry a slime inflator, some tire plugs, the car came with free roadside assistance for the first couple years, and I never really drive it that far from the city and I'm not usually far from a tire repair shop. Once the roadside assistance is up, I'll throw an extra tire in (I have two sets of wheels, summers on one and winters on the other, so easy to throw an off-season tire in the trunk).
I wouldn't be worried about a lack of a spare in anything I wasn't going to drive far off the beaten path. I've changed two tires by the side of the road in my 20 years of driving. And one of them i drove out to rescue the wife with one of that car's snow tires, so the fact that it had a donut spare didn't matter anyway. Once every 20 years I can wait for roadside assistance.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
Obviously if I'm going to be in the middle of nowhere it's a different story.
If you live in Utah and enjoy either electric vehicles or a snow line below 9500 feet, now is a good time to call and yell at our elected dipshits.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...ion-fees-utah/
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Update: we were awarded the grant, hopefully we’ll get a bus by the fall. More to come!Quote:
Originally Posted by alpinevibes
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