I’m not saying Christianity correlates with stupidity, but...

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

No.

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Seriously. The false equivalency between faith in the supernatural and a position that requires demonstrable proof with a body of evidence is boggling. Using this surreal logic one could basically postulate anything and find equivalence in the challenge "Well, I think the earth rides on the back of a tortoise whose drive is fuel by a galactic hunger for space lettuce. You think it's governed by astrophysics. I have faith in this, you have faith in your position so well - samesies! Stop being so high and mighty - we both have faith after all"

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Originally Posted by Carl_Mega

Seriously. The false equivalency between faith in the supernatural and a position that requires demonstrable proof with a body of evidence is boggling. Using this surreal logic one could basically postulate anything and find equivalence in the challenge "Well, I think the earth rides on the back of a tortoise whose drive is fuel by a galactic hunger for space lettuce. You think it's governed by astrophysics. I have faith in this, you have faith in your position so well - samesies! Stop being so high and mighty - we both have faith after all"

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Eggsactly

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
— Hitchens's Razor

so the thread title is asking about Christianity but does the same go for ANY religion ?

I personaly look at them all being about the same thing


the exception would be Dudeism

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

so the thread title is asking about Christianity but does the same go for ANY religion ?

I personaly look at them all being about the same thing

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I think so, again distinguishing between religion and faith.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

so the thread title is asking about Christianity but does the same go for ANY religion ?

I personaly look at them all being about the same thing


the exception would be Dudeisms

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Religions that emerged from men of peace all end up being weaponized at times, and religions that were devised as get rich quick schemes still somehow manage to bring people peace.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

so the thread title is asking about Christianity but does the same go for ANY religion ?

I personaly look at them all being about the same thing

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You'd probably have to be more stupid to believe some religions..

https://cdn.britannica.com/s:300x300...4-1104EF72.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...mith13507u.jpg

https://lesstewart.files.wordpress.c...llifebrian.jpg

But the correlation between religiosity and intellect is well studied and settled.

How about Dudism? an ancient philosophy that preaches non-preachiness, practices as little as possible, and above all, uh…lost my train of thought there.

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Originally Posted by wyeaster

nobody knows shit. it's all belief.

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So your position is that you only believe unicorns don’t exist? Or do you know it?

I like this site

http://www.religioustolerance.org/index_about.htm



Our definition of religious tolerance:
This site promotes religious tolerance which we define as: "respecting the freedom of other individuals to follow freely their own religious and spiritual paths, without oppression or active discrimination against them. This is a human right promoted by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights.. Ultimately, it leads to peace in a land of religious diversity, and to religious freedom for all.

XXX and the Church of the Aquaseal.
At least it’s got something factual I can believe in.

Edit to add: Who’s making the T-shirt?

actualy if yer all into the hwole brevity thing I've always been the dude since highschool

but its not like i'm gona sue the Cohen bros cuz the dude abides

Aquaseal ties the room together.

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

No.

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Originally Posted by Carl_Mega

Seriously. The false equivalency between faith in the supernatural and a position that requires demonstrable proof with a body of evidence is boggling. Using this surreal logic one could basically postulate anything and find equivalence in the challenge "Well, I think the earth rides on the back of a tortoise whose drive is fuel by a galactic hunger for space lettuce. You think it's governed by astrophysics. I have faith in this, you have faith in your position so well - samesies! Stop being so high and mighty - we both have faith after all"

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Eggsactly

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You guys sound exactly like the zealots. Some religious beliefs can be dismissed as provably wrong--that the world was created in 6 days or that earth is the center of the universe, but the idea that there is some kind of self-aware cosmic intelligence that created the world--which is what a lot of people believe these days (I don't) is not provably wrong (or right). Same with the belief in an afterlife (which I don't believe in) because none of us have died to find out. A belief that there is no god or no afterlife is certainly realistic but not provable. A lot of intellectual arrogance here.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
— Hitchens's Razor

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What can be asserted without evidence yes--what is believed without evidence no. Hitchens' attacks on religion are of a kind with religions' attacks on other religions and on heresy.

I'll see your Hitchens' Razor and raise you one Pascal's Wager.

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Originally Posted by old goat

Some religious beliefs can be dismissed as provably wrong--that the world was created in 6 days or that earth is the center of the universe

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So the standard is provably wrong.... That's little better than the ducking stool.

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A lot of intellectual arrogance here.

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Who gets to decide what is provable?

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what is believed without evidence no.

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The homeless guy on 2nd and Pine arguing with a lamppost believes it's talking back to him....

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Hitchens' attacks on religion are of a kind with religions' attacks on other religions and on heresy.

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No. Not at all on a par with claiming your own sky fairies superiority.. sky fairies are all equally baseless in reality and unproven. and nowhere near on par as attacking disbelief in them.

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Originally Posted by old goat

A belief that there is no god or no afterlife is certainly realistic but not provable. A lot of intellectual arrogance here.

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The issue is not that there is a belief of no god, but no belief in a god. Of course it's not provable. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the irony.

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What can be asserted without evidence yes--what is believed without evidence no. Hitchens' attacks on religion are of a kind with religions' attacks on other religions and on heresy.

I'll see your Hitchens' Razor and raise you one Pascal's Wager.

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Pascals wager assumes there is one god. What if there's a bunch or that one chose the wrong, heretical one?

Once one passes into the domain of belief, logic has no purchase, as evidenced.

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

The homeless guy on 2nd and Pine arguing with a lamppost believes it's talking back to him.

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That lamppost is a fucking asshole.


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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Pascals wager assumes there is one god. What if there's a bunch or that one chose the wrong, heretical one?

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While there are ~4000 "recognized" religions worldwide to choose from.

It's not really much of a bet betting on god.

https://theconversation.com/amp/why-...elievers-97307

Over the years I have come to a few conclusions on this.

Nothing I say or do will make a lick of difference to most people (my kid is the exception and I actually swayed my college roommate to not believe in gods)
The confusion of being raised Roman Catholic with a scientific rational mind, being taught science in school but the opposite at church and bible study confused me, that confusion turned to anger and I began using drugs, fighting, vandalizing, and theft. Due to this I was sent to Catholic School and to Bible Camp (4 weeks intensive West Virginia woods camp) and evening Bible Study groups. At one point in my life I went to service 3 times a week and never believed in any of it the whole time and it just pissed me off more. In hindsight I realize this was lazy parenting “my kid’s fucked, maybe god will save him” so I was pawned off to the priests. In my late teens and early 20’s I would get drunk and smack bibles out of the street preachers hands and banish them to hell with my pointer finger in Indiana PA.
Fast forward to today, I mostly gave up the fight, the systemic pedophilia and subsequent cover-ups has really struck a nerve now that I have a 4yr old and has reopened some old anger.
Believe it or not I wish I had faith and believed in gods (any god really), life would be so nice and comforting, knowing when I die I will be with loved ones and there is always someone watching over me, helping me along through life. My fellow lemmings would be friendly, I’d go to church events and activities, make friends, pray, be happy. My brain just won’t allow me to believe in bullshit unfortunately.
Now it pisses me off that I am somehow the outcast in most places for not having faith in anything. I seriously feel like I’m taking crazy pills most days. Luckily I live in a progressive area with educated people, god help me if I lived in Charlotte or Salt Lake City.

People have the right to believe in whatever they want, not worth the stress anymore. I’m really hoping for some aliens to arrive or to find life elsewhere but in reality the religions will just use that as “another example of god’s awesome power”

Fuck it.




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Originally Posted by AK47bp

I’m really hoping for some aliens to arrive or to find life elsewhere

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Mars rover's large methane discovery excites scientists

Curiosity’s record-breaking measurement fuels speculation it is from microbial Martians



^ looking increasingly likely to be not non believable.

Certainly more believable than the Loch Ness Monster.

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Mars rover's large methane discovery excites scientists

Curiosity’s record-breaking measurement fuels speculation it is from microbial Martians



^ looking increasingly likely to be not non believable.

Certainly more believable than the Loch Ness Monster.

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Great, god’s farts have been discovered.

Praise him!


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Rich Preacher Thinks Poor People Are "Demons" :nonono2::nonono2::nonono2::nonono2:

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Originally Posted by plugboots

Aquaseal ties the room together.

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Actually aquaseal makes the room waterproof.

If you have enough of it.

But he's not wrong. It does contribute to the structural integrity. Probably.

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Originally Posted by Peruvian

So your position is that you only believe unicorns don’t exist? Or do you know it?

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i believe that unicorns do not exist. much like i believe gods do not exist. i think they are equally ridiculous and i could not give a lesser shit about either. well, i'd be cool with unicorns unless they were uniformly hostile but any gods can fuck right off.

It's not worth the time to argue with believers man. You see it, I see it, Buster sees it. Beyond that it's good luck with that stuff fellas I guess.

It's a bigger question than is required for daily existence, so I get it. But I don't.

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Originally Posted by wyeaster

i believe that unicorns do not exist. much like i believe gods do not exist. i think they are equally ridiculous and i could not give a lesser shit about either. well, i'd be cool with unicorns unless they were uniformly hostile but any gods can fuck right off.

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Seems like agnosticism, not atheism.

Did he say he was an atheist? I didn't see that part.

i did not

Yeah I know.

What wyeaster said was that nobody knows shit. I’m sure I know that unicorns don’t exist.

i guess you are an aunicornist

Maybe a hyphen would help that.

All this believe and not believe in stories that began several millennia ago. What defined a ‘god’ then, and what defines one now? Our current tech allows us to do much what was attributed to god(s) a couple thousand years ago. We can describe abstract concepts of the universe using math and have proven some of it using the scientific method. And we are still learning, at ever increasing rates. So what exactly is god, today, if I were to meet it/them on the street? Would I even be able to recognize it/them for what it/they are? Is it a state of consciousness, an ability to manifest that consciousness in more than one point in space and time? Or...?
And does it even matter.

Never mind, my daughter is having bad dreams. Need to go and reassure her. What fable should I use this time I wonder...

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Originally Posted by Bromontane

What about aliens

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I was just about to go into the whole how do you define aliens bullshit argument and the BCMtndog does it for me.

Most theists are quick to alter their definition of “god” when questions become difficult to answer.

God moves the goalposts for you if you have enough faith.

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Originally Posted by iceman

It's not worth the time to argue with believers man. You see it, I see it, Buster sees it. Beyond that it's good luck with that stuff fellas I guess.

It's a bigger question than is required for daily existence, so I get it. But I don't.

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The bigger issue is how to get them out of politics and away from our laws. I don't have a problem with personal faith until it interferes in the public sphere. It's funny how many ignorant people get all riled up about the possibility of "Sharia Law" in this country and don't see how the outsized influence of Evangelical christians is leading us to a similar end result, if unchecked. Aka The christian Taliban. Billy Graham, mentioned earlier in this thread, was very much part of the problem in that regard. Churches that influence politics should lose tax exempt status and their clergy should have to register as lobbyists. It is more than fair given how the right has worked to bust up labor unions based partially on the premise of their political influence.

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Originally Posted by riser3

I don't have a problem with personal faith until it interferes in the public sphere.

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Please elaborate.

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Originally Posted by puregravity

Please elaborate.

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If you have to ask then you don't get it, and probably never will.