https://www.instagram.com/p/Bveoc-mg...=1mbqeemkrg10b
For info. His other pair had u pin cracks too.
Dude is also a guide so has an idea what he’s doing.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bveoc-mg...=1mbqeemkrg10b
For info. His other pair had u pin cracks too.
Dude is also a guide so has an idea what he’s doing.
thanks for posting the link Cali. :)
Skied ATKs every day for two weeks and am a convert. Really like the low lifter which covers the pins. No need to rotate the heels. Also never locked the toes and never released on the up in varied conditions. Pretty impressive. Will try to find the model and update.
Edit: Looks like it was the rental model! Actually had Rent Me printed on them.
+1 for the ATKs. Skied for 1.5 season and its great. Exactly, low riser is awesome. The only annoying stuff is the front brakes, but 2020 Raiders and RTs got brakes at the rear.
I’m enjoying the low risers on the alpinist as well.
They’re dirt cheap right now too. Hopefully they don’t explode!
I don't bother doing much pro insta fartsniffinQuote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
but tell your guide bro
tenkara is neckbeard hipster dapin for dinks for shit fuckers who aint got double haul skills
and troots on the rocks for a few insta likes sucks even harder
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWtEJg2BAGy/
Guessing he ate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by skifishbum
Some real deep sniffing there........
I know a guide who broke 6 rad heelpieces just walking along, also he probably used them about twice as much as the average skier so he is/was more likely to break stuff
Just finished a Week long tour on Salomon Mtn’s mounted on 186cm renegades. I had Kingpins before and love the new setup. About 20 total days on them. Simple and trustworthy for remote tours. I was getting stressed with the Kingpins.
Hit a few drops and pillow lines in the low 20 foot range with zero issues and no pre-releases.
165lbs 6’2” skiing the stock spring.
I’m also pretty stoked with the mtn’s. Several big days, great function. They feel solid. Inly gripes are the silly plastic clips for ski crampon use, must improve. Also, ramp angle calls for a tiny toe shim.
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185, 5’11”, men’s spring.
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Ramp angle is what pushed me to alpinist but a small shim would easily help.Quote:
Originally Posted by riff
So I keep asking myself why I haven't considered the Plum Pika. It looks to be a flippy lifter evolution of the Guide. Ramp angle is easily correctable with toe shims.
Interestingly, the "Binding Finder" dialog on the Plum site directs me to the Guides. Maybe they know something I don't :D
[edit] so I called up skimo.co today and the guy I spoke with was so "blonde" in his explanation of the differences between the two that I almost hung up on him. They'll still likely get my business 'coz they do yeoman's work with the resources on their website. I can't hold one lame employee against them.
[edit 2] The Pika has only 1 riser position.
[edit 3] the delta on the Pika is "better". After adding a 9-10 mm toe shim to the Guide, its stack height will still be a few mm lower than a Vipec.
... Thom
I've skied Raider 12s with the toe adjusting plate for 10-ish days this year. Really like how they ski compared to Ions, probably because a bit lower stack and less ramp. And they weigh a bit less. And no icing so far.
However; according to the skimo-chart the RT 2.0 is lighter and have the ramp I'm looking for - without shimming. And even lower stack.
What's the difference between the Raider 12 and the RT 2.0?
It seems like the RT has the same toe, but a less complicated / lower heel? On ATKs website it says the RT is sold with the R01 plate. Is the measurements on skimo with or without the plate?
So at the end of the day, I got nervous and took the safe route with a pair of Plum Guide 12's. I shimmed the toes with some UHMW (a touch under 5/16" which netted out to 8.25mm).
This puts the delta at 1mm less/better than my Vipecs (11mm for the Vipecs and 10mm for the Guides), with the stack height being about 3mm less than the Vipecs which feel fine to me.
Stay tuned for how they ski, although the skis they're mounted to (Praxis EXPs) are so different from anything else I own that I doubt I'll be able to say anything definitive.
... Thom
Any decent mods out there to ditch the little plastic clips for Salomon Mtn ski crampons? They are fiddly and make a hassle out of something that should be simple.
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I looked and tried also but couldn't find any. Posting just in case anyone found someQuote:
Originally Posted by riff
I wonder why they are needed?
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It keeps the crampon centered so it doesn’t catch on the edge of the toe piece. Dynafit has a plastic tab built in that works great and can’t fall off, get lost or require dexterity.
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I can't picture it. Is this for the Salomon brand ski crampon? I haven't seen them. I've been using the plum crampon with my MTN's and really like them, I like that they can be dropped in without having to slide in from the side, I think it makes it easier to put them on/off without getting out of the skis.
I’ve got dynafit cramps, and I guess I haven’t tried going without it. Maybe I don’t even need them....
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Ah, that little plastic piece that comes with the binding? Yeah, I've never used that with either plum or dynafit crampons, never had an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by riff
From Skimo.co: Note: This binding accepts both Plum and Dynafit crampons, though with the latter the included crampon keeper clip must be used to prevent any lateral movement during use.
What are your thoughts on the new Hagan Pure 10 @ 280g? I'm really liking the Core 12's right now, and these seem like a nice way to shave off a little bit more weight.
https://www.haganskimountaineering.c...ure-10-binding
The Hagan site says that they’re rebranded atk Crests, which were discussed some earlier in this thread. It’s confusing enough that ATK has a dozen-plus models of bindings; I wish BD and Hagan didn’t randomly cherry-pick models and rebrand them.
At least Hagan tells you which ATK model they're selling, although renaming it doesn't seem to make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by jorion
BD leaves it to you to figure it out. Silly branding exercise.
It'll work till it doesn't. If you're kickturning aggressively or sidehilling through lumpy terrain ( eg refrozen debris) the ski crampon can get moved laterally. Then if you're not careful and step down one side of the crampon will get levered and it will breakQuote:
Originally Posted by riff
ISO one 90mm and one 110mm Dynafit crampon to pair with other lonely crampons
I'm curious about this too.Quote:
Originally Posted by sf
Also what's everyone's take on the G3 Zed vs Raider 12? Lookin like they're pretty similar but can't decide which would fit my needs better. Raider = harsher ride, but better power transfer?
Bump. Anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by sf
(Considering G3 vs ATK discussion)
The toe jaws geometry and mousetrap-like dynamics are the things that make G3 Ion LT/Zed bindings special for me
(more or less like "2.0" TLT comparing to current Dynafits that I saw).
But I never had a chance to touch any ATK toes.
So is it the same as the typical Dynafit toe geometry? Any difference?
Not talking about ATK Crest toes that are obviously different.
I’m the opposite in that I’ve got a lot of miles on my ATK Raider 12 2.0‘s. The toes are really different because they have the brake at the toe, (which I like a lot). That said it seems like the new G3 Z is a copy of the Raider binding, but they put the brake at the heel.
There is no give at all in an ATK toe or heel, but also they have no play, (that my Dynafits have), they are rock solid. I should say that the heel does have fore and aft movement, but there’s no clicking or sloppiness.
I would say the fiddle factor for the G3 and ATK are probably similar as my wife skis much less than me and finds the ATK extremely easy to use. Similar weight as well, although the ATK would be about 3 g Les with brakes.
Also I should mention version 2.0 changes that heal completely, just go to their website and look at the 15 or so differences.
So I guess I’m wondering is what you mean with the Dynafit toe geometry?
While G3 Ion/Zed toes have the same overall construction with the classical TLT (ski brakes position aside), its also have some special combination of arms&levers lengths which is noticably different from Dynafit/MTN/Plum that I've tried, and it leads to two major things for me:
First, is almost "touch"-like step-in action, think fine-tuned mouse trap, you don't have to actually step/hard press with your boot on something to make it engage. Which is a pain for Dynafit toes in soft deep or boiler plate uneven snow, when it's hard to control your skis staying flat, still and supportive for toe pressing.
At the same time (second), G3s toe's closed jaws retention force is so high that I found myself skinning with toes unlocked (if there is not a lot of kick turns ahead). Same with skiing: unlocked even in hard chattering snow conditions, and locked in special moments only.
Which is in contrast to my previous Dynafit experience with 100% time skiing with toes locked.
Hard to explain verbally. G3 illustrates it like this:
Attachment 293159
I've fondled the G3 and seen the videos on how the toe easily snaps down when stepping in. The ATK is not like that, you have to line it up and step in more like the Dynafit, but it does this easier than the dynafit, so the geometry is probably a little closer to the G3, but without the boot stop. I also (very infrequently, though), ski w/ Dynafit's toes locked. I never do that with the ATK's. They are just more solid and feel like the graph you showed.
So... the Z wasn't available when I bought the ATK's, and they seem to be a nice locally serviceable binding, and I might have gone that way. Maybe not, though. The ATK heel is a really nice design, and the brakes never screw up, ice up or any up at all. Plus they're red.
I'vee been thinkng about light binders over the past week. I've had positive experiences this Spring with Plum Guides.
My attention has turned to the Kreutzspitz GT as it seems to check all the boxes that ATK, Plum do at 160 g. per binder (no brakes). I'm not sure how much the flippy lifters add (bolt on), but it can't be much.
... Thom
I have ATK FR 14 now and had G3 Ions previously. I've spent little time on ATK yet but G3 toe is what I really miss. I never had it pre-release and it was so confidence inspiring! ATK toe is not that amazing though I still should give them some time. Brakes are shit on both of them IMO. G3 brake springs are weak while ATKs are just twice thinner and the only real help from them is ski not slipping on flat while you are stepping in. No way they will help with stopping ski going downhill. Can't say for ATK heel vs Ion heel release performance as I had no serious crashes last trip. Also, magnet risers on ATKs are not that great. During kick-turns, for example, magnet power sometimes isn't enough to hold it in place.
It's very unfortunate that G3 can't handle creating reliable ~300gr successor to Ions, would be a no-brainer for me
Yeah, the weight budget is always going to favor the binding vs. the brakes. I think it's the correct design decision. I'd rather have a crappy brake than a binding that explodes. We don't need more threads like those about the Kingpins ;-)
The Ion toes are indeed confidence inspiring, as are my Vipec Blacks & Plum Guides.
The only toe I've skied on that gave me the willies were my Comforts, and I can't dismiss the possibility of user error - not cleaning the boot fitting.
I learned my lesson the hard way (but with no consequences), and since then, religiously rotate my boot 8-10 times to clean out the boot sockets before stomping in.
Your comments about the Freeraider toes are surprising, in light of the hard chargers who seem to like them. Are you sure you're not wishing for a 300g Shift? It'll be a while.
... Thom
Long light strides for pow.... I've been biking lift served 7 days in a row... first moment I've thought fondly about winter's return
But I think I've said nothing bad about Freerider toes? They are just less beefy, click-in is less powerfull, which brings me to idea that springs are also softer (I could be completely wrong) and that is the reason why I said they are less confidence inspiring, that's allQuote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
Sounded as if you were sketched out, skiing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by HukuTa_KydecHuk
Maybe try torquing out of them on the bench (toes unlocked, heels in touring mode) and comparing against how stiff your Ion toes springs feel?
A hillbilly version of Lou's "ghetto setup": https://www.wildsnow.com/16117/g3-io...tech-bindings/
... Thom
I've prereleased from OG Dynafit Speeds, Comforts and Verticals. I was careful enough, and it happened enough, that I CAN dismiss user error.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
I've never had the issue with Plum Guides, Speed Radicals, Plum Race or Speed Superlite 2.0's. No change in how I use them. Guides and Superlites, in particular, I've found to have excellent retention. I personally don't think you can blame lateral prerelease only on the toes. Older Dynafits had more lateral play in the heels and I think this played a role in forcing open the toes, which, of course, have fairly light springs.
My point is, while I once coveted stiffer toe springs, I no longer focus on the toes alone, but total binding performance.