2018-19 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

My out of bounds ski for 2020 is 3DPB. Praxis still has a spot in my heart for the best quality around. And the only ski I actually want from now on is R/R baby. I just wanna ski untracked or soft, i’m too out of shape for shitfuck now. Nobody else is really doing that shape anymore, and luckily the one who is still, is the best around!

I’m just not skiing on point enough for the heavy core #5 Rx anymore. Its not a demanding ski, but I am losing my feet for some reason. Have been since March.

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Early season. You’ll b up to speed in Jan/feb

I’m losing my feet I tell ya! They’re fkn numb


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You got the diabetes?

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Originally Posted by jdadour

TeamRX... ASSEMBLE!

189 4 flex, veneer, carbon, heavy core. Two days in, and I'm impressed. A crazy combination of being able to maneuver and pivot like a ski smaller than its size, yet retains the stability of big long radius ski. RAGES hard pack, able to ski big fast GS turns very confidently. Couple thoughts and questions though...

- They have a little more energy/feedback than I'm used to, presumably thats the carbon. Does this mellow out as the skis break in more?

- Seems like a little too much tail, I found them catching a bit. Considering they dont have a lot of tail rocker, has traditional camber, and the fact that I felt i had to get back on them a bit to float in 6-8 inches of powder and soft chop, doesnt -8cm from center seem a touch too forward? Has anyone gone back to -9cm? im inclined to try them out there. Or maybe i just need to detune the tails some more.

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These comments are about the skinny RX, yes? If so, Interesting. Keith and I discussed the skinny RX and he said something about the standard width really being well designed to avoid the tail being caught, but looking at the skinny, that was a concern he had.

Ultimately that’s what made me go MVP.

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Originally Posted by SupreChicken

These comments are about the skinny RX, yes? If so, Interesting. Keith and I discussed the skinny RX and he said something about the standard width really being well designed to avoid the tail being caught, but looking at the skinny, that was a concern he had.

Ultimately that’s what made me go MVP.

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No, I have the normal RX.

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Looks like Tabke had a set of -10 Qs built for this season:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...27116260830636

Skinny RX sounds interesting

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuse

I’m just not skiing on point enough for the heavy core #5 Rx anymore. Its not a demanding ski, but I am losing my feet for some reason. Have been since March.

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1. See a bootfitter about that. Seriously.
2. Tell me more about these RXs. Pictures? Mounted how many times? This might be the trick to finally get off my GPOs.

Buy those Rx Abe before he changes his mind

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Originally Posted by SupreChicken

These comments are about the skinny RX, yes? If so, Interesting. Keith and I discussed the skinny RX and he said something about the standard width really being well designed to avoid the tail being caught, but looking at the skinny, that was a concern he had.

Ultimately that’s what made me go MVP.

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MVP’s are no shit, I’m pretty blown away how FN awesome these sticks are! Hard to explain how cool it’s been riding these things, it’s been eye opening and just stoopid fun, heavy core is badass as well!! Resort daily req for sure

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Originally Posted by Self Jupiter

Looks like Tabke had a set of -10 Qs built for this season:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...27116260830636

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I love that Tabke is rocking Muggy's pro length...! And apparently he has fallen out of love with his GPO and surprised he is not going with the standard Q since it is his most recent pro model... Def liked the vid and was a bit surprised with his quiver...

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192 #4 yeti E+C first impressions

tip shape smashes through stuff. flex profile is nice and round and about as expected. Holds an edge and quick edge to edge as you would expect for a ski in this category. playful in skidded turns although I wasn't quite getting the snap out of the end of turns i expected from a stiff ski with carbon. I'm chalking that up to day 1 and not quite having them 100% figured out.

Overall super happy and can't wait to get more time on them. storm cycle forecasted says protests should be getting out soon.

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Originally Posted by eskido

MVP’s are no shit, I’m pretty blown away how FN awesome these sticks are! Hard to explain how cool it’s been riding these things, it’s been eye opening and just stoopid fun, heavy core is badass as well!! Resort daily req for sure

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Don’t get me wrong - I don’t have buyers remorse. Dope ski. But I have them mounted with vipecs. I would have bought a 185 BC if it had been available. Ultimately, the mvp looks like a mellower ski than the skinny RX. Felt that was the better choice out of bounds.

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Originally Posted by Undertow

I love that Tabke is rocking Muggy's pro length...! And apparently he has fallen out of love with his GPO and surprised he is not going with the standard Q since it is his most recent pro model... Def liked the vid and was a bit surprised with his quiver...

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Got that Muggy x Tabke Collab going :biggrin:

Nice quiver for sure. Interesting that he seems an equal fan of veneer and nylon topsheets

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Originally Posted by SupreChicken

Don’t get me wrong - I don’t have buyers remorse. Dope ski. But I have them mounted with vipecs. I would have bought a 185 BC if it had been available. Ultimately, the mvp looks like a mellower ski than the skinny RX. Felt that was the better choice out of bounds.

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On paper, skinny RX looks like a more variable ob type of stick than the MVP. Throw some turntable 14/18’s on em and they will fuckin rail, slice n dice, and dance like everyone’s watching. Been skiing a lot of blown icy shite and these things trench in blanks I didn’t think I could scrape, and paso doble over skating rinks. They Krump everything. Been so long since I’ve been on skis that ski so traditionally I feel like I went all eric B n rakeem n let the rhythm hit em. For real though these things beg for input, they will give double what you put out but you better put out or they are some dead plank bitches, throw your weight into them and you can straight gas turns like a Bugatti. I think they can do anything but a GPO/BC type ski is certainly more suited to BC than a MVP in my personal experience, these don’t really slide n slarve without lots of speed and energy.

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Originally Posted by eskido

On paper, skinny RX looks like a more variable ob type of stick than the MVP. Throw some turntable 14/18’s on em and they will fuckin rail, slice n dice, and dance like everyone’s watching. Been skiing a lot of blown icy shite and these things trench in blanks I didn’t think I could scrape, and paso doble over skating rinks. They Krump everything. Been so long since I’ve been on skis that ski so traditionally I feel like I went all eric B n rakeem n let the rhythm hit em. For real though these things beg for input, they will give double what you put out but you better put out or they are some dead plank bitches, throw your weight into them and you can straight gas turns like a Bugatti. I think they can do anything but a GPO/BC type ski is certainly more suited to BC than a MVP in my personal experience, these don’t really slide n slarve without lots of speed and energy.

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Agree with everything, even the parts I don’t understand. Just felt the 180 BC would be too short.

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Originally Posted by abraham

Skinny RX sounds interesting



1. See a bootfitter about that. Seriously.
2. Tell me more about these RXs. Pictures? Mounted how many times? This might be the trick to finally get off my GPOs.

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Rx already sold


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Originally Posted by Self Jupiter

Looks like Tabke had a set of -10 Qs built for this season:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...27116260830636

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It looks like MVP/Skinny Q for low tide/resort and Rx's and Protests (Japan) for comps.

Alpy got to him ;-)

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Originally Posted by SupreChicken

even the parts I don’t understand.

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Heehee, my bad, I have gots to stop drunk posting here

First taste of the protest kool-aid today in bottomless maritime mank. it tastes good.

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Originally Posted by nickel

First taste of the protest kool-aid today in bottomless maritime mank. it tastes good.

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Been waiting for that. If not already, when the pivot to charge back and forth becomes seamless and intuitive it’s game on. A special ski thems things

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Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un

It looks like MVP/Skinny Q for low tide/resort and Rx's and Protests (Japan) for comps.

Alpy got to him ;-)

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Interesting he is not on GPOs or Qs for comps.


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First taste of the protest kool-aid today in bottomless maritime mank. it tastes good.

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It’s sooooo goood!

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Interesting he is not on GPOs or Qs for comps.


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This is a totally uninformed guess, but methinks he’ll rock the Qs for some comps, he had some great runs on those things last year. That cat track crash was so unfortunate, that was such a killer, creative run.

Second day on my 182 Qs. Snowed 8 inches yesterday at breck, today was mostly packed powder groomers and shallow bumps, although I found some powder stashes in the trees. Length was perfect today. Never felt any chatter or that it was unstable at speed.

Love this ski, arguably my new favorite. It’s just so easy and fun. Billygoats with ease in tight trees. The shallow moguls were a blast, was skiing very fluid and fast. Can rail down groomers with big gs turns as well.

Totally sold on the heavy/veneer/carbon layup now. Very smooth, damp, but energetic. Loads of fun. Combined with FKS 180s I think it’s the perfect resort setup.

The ski really does not feel like 118 underfoot, more like 100 or 108. Asymmetrical sidecut seems to do its job, I really enjoy how they turn.

Overall they feel more nimble, more surfy, and considerably more damp than my old 187 enduro Nylon GPOs. Maybe slightly worse holding a tight edge down icy groomers

Of all the skis I’ve ever been on this would be my one ski quiver hands down I think. Would like to get it out info deep light powder to see how it fares there

There’s a super sweet piece of Praxis porn from Tabke’s Dolomites photo essay in the new issue of the Ski Journal.

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Originally Posted by Muggydude

Second day on my 182 Qs. Snowed 8 inches yesterday at breck, today was mostly packed powder groomers and shallow bumps, although I found some powder stashes in the trees. Length was perfect today. Never felt any chatter or that it was unstable at speed.

Love this ski, arguably my new favorite. It’s just so easy and fun. Billygoats with ease in tight trees. The shallow moguls were a blast, was skiing very fluid and fast. Can rail down groomers with big gs turns as well.

Totally sold on the heavy/veneer/carbon layup now. Very smooth, damp, but energetic. Loads of fun. Combined with FKS 180s I think it’s the perfect resort setup.

The ski really does not feel like 118 underfoot, more like 100 or 108. Asymmetrical sidecut seems to do its job, I really enjoy how they turn.

Overall they feel more nimble, more surfy, and considerably more damp than my old 187 enduro Nylon GPOs. Maybe slightly worse holding a tight edge down icy groomers

Of all the skis I’ve ever been on this would be my one ski quiver hands down I think. Would like to get it out info deep light powder to see how it fares there

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I think once you dial in your tune and your stance on them, you'll find them better on icy groomers as well. I haven't been out on mine yet this year. I started PT (glute strengthening) and I suspect this is the "final" missing link in my fully bonding with them.

... Thom

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Originally Posted by Muggydude

Second day on my 182 Qs. Snowed 8 inches yesterday at breck, today was mostly packed powder groomers and shallow bumps, although I found some powder stashes in the trees. Length was perfect today. Never felt any chatter or that it was unstable at speed.

Love this ski, arguably my new favorite. It’s just so easy and fun. Billygoats with ease in tight trees. The shallow moguls were a blast, was skiing very fluid and fast. Can rail down groomers with big gs turns as well.

Totally sold on the heavy/veneer/carbon layup now. Very smooth, damp, but energetic. Loads of fun. Combined with FKS 180s I think it’s the perfect resort setup.

The ski really does not feel like 118 underfoot, more like 100 or 108. Asymmetrical sidecut seems to do its job, I really enjoy how they turn.

Overall they feel more nimble, more surfy, and considerably more damp than my old 187 enduro Nylon GPOs. Maybe slightly worse holding a tight edge down icy groomers

Of all the skis I’ve ever been on this would be my one ski quiver hands down I think. Would like to get it out info deep light powder to see how it fares there

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This might be the info that starts to drive the final nail on the coffin for my much loved GPOs. Been skiing in alpine bindings lately and had a tough morning on my 182 GPO/vipec combo the other day. Normally I'm pretty easy going with ramp angle but it sure felt noticeably different after being on alpine clamps.

Also wanting a looser ski that can break the tails out easier and be available as I take baby steps towards a more jibby, playful skiing style.

I gotta get back on both skis back to back, but I'd say that my GPOs have a looser initiation than my Qs.

My GPOs are 182, MAP / Carbon / Nylon top / flex #4 with Vipecs.

My Qs are 182, Enduro / Carbon / Veneer / flex #4 with Pivots (with inserts for Vipecs).

My Qs want to charge a bit more than my GPOs even before i mounted Vipecs on the GPOs. They previously had Wardens.

I'm guessing your rough morning was more about it being a rough morning than anything else (other than different boots to mate with pin binders?).

... Thom

Remember that Keith says Qs are a plenty of an Rx and a GPO.

I'd call the Q a new school ski for an old school style. If the scale is playful>chargy I'd say they are right in the middle. I certainly wouldn't call them jibby.

I’d agree that they aren’t really a jib ski. Quick, slashy, surfy, and poppy yes

The increase in quickness over my GPOs could be partially attributed to the -5cm decrease in length as well

First day on 187 Enduro/Nylon/4 Flex Concepts. Really fun ski. Require a bit more of a technical approach I found, light forefoot pressure was best. Really like quick small radius turns. Did quite well on the Sierra cement refrozen. Would like to get these out in some fresh pow in tight trees, think they’d be scalpels in there

The concept is great, I do need to think while skiiing it at times though. I love how narrow they ski vs. true width. I find them to shine in trees and tight places. It’s the ski that blew me away from the start. For me nothing has given the same feeling of wow. My piste jibs are fun but the concept just runs better IMO, breaking then free and tossing them sideways are 55mph is a blast. I also had the the PJ built to stiff I think.
Have fun on those concepts.

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The concept is great...breaking them free and tossing them sideways at 55mph is a blast.

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Pretty much this in a nutshell.

I now own the GPO, ProTest, Quixote, Piste Jib and the Concept. The Concept is the most unique skiing experience I've had. Mine are 5 seasons strong and I want to build a new one in a 182 length with the exact same layup as my PJs and Qs. Heavy Carbon Veneer.

jmars how big are you? My PJs are flex three, and are an absolute blast. I just had them tuned and changed the side edge to 2 degrees. On EC ice groomers, I can now load them huge and get launched into a turn like a rocket ship, and they just rip in Moguls.

Muggy Qs and Concepts this year! Good fkn times.

Never have actually, and no real good reason either I just always been attracted to Keith's weirder less conventional designs. However the last two seasons on the PJs though have shown me that he can just make a kick ass skis, even without asymmetrical tapers, and triple side cuts. I'm sure the Rx kills.

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Pretty much this in a nutshell.

I now own the GPO, ProTest, Quixote, Piste Jib and the Concept. The Concept is the most unique skiing experience I've had. Mine are 5 seasons strong and I want to build a new one in a 182 length with the exact same layup as my PJs and Qs. Heavy Carbon Veneer.

Muggy Qs and Concepts this year! Good fkn times.

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I was impressed by how the enduro layup did in the conditions, but agree heavy/carbon/veneer would be awesome.

Can’t forget my Protests! And Praxis Lhasa...
Yes, you could say I have a affinity for Praxis skis.

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Originally Posted by Shu Shu

Pretty much this in a nutshell.

I now own the GPO, ProTest, Quixote, Piste Jib and the Concept. The Concept is the most unique skiing experience I've had. Mine are 5 seasons strong and I want to build a new one in a 182 length with the exact same layup as my PJs and Qs. Heavy Carbon Veneer.

jmars how big are you? My PJs are flex three, and are an absolute blast. I just had them tuned and changed the side edge to 2 degrees. On EC ice groomers, I can now load them huge and get launched into a turn like a rocket ship, and they just rip in Moguls.

Muggy Qs and Concepts this year! Good fkn times.

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Opinions on the GPO vs Quixote as a daily driver for the western U.S. (not coastal) for hitting trees, steeps, powder, and avoiding bumps if possible?

Having owned both, either would do well. I’d say it comes down to your preferences and style of skiing. Quixote likes the fall line a little more, and likes carving larger radius turns on hardpack. GPO will carve shorter radius turns, and is a little easier to pivot. Both can be shut down and thrown sideways with ease. Quixote has a little better float is is more surfy IMO. Q is more stable charging through crud, although the core type plays the biggest role in that

I would be quite comfortable using the 182 Q (heavy/carbon/veneer) as a daily Colorado driver. Definitely prefer over 187 Enduro/Nylon GPO.

I think going heavy core, and downsizing 1 size with the Q is the best of all worlds - retains the stability and crud busting ability, but shorter length is so easy to maneuver in tight places

Excellent info, thanks Muggydude!

That makes a bunch of sense. Want to get something heavy core veneer(I’ve decided carbon isn’t my thing)
3 I’m hoping to hear about are the skinny rx’s, skinny protest and the possibility of a 181 Lhasa pow.
Was nice to hear that zero/lower camber can be an option in a build(maybe that was a special order?)