The only way it will work right now is on purpose built restricted roads. Which is stupid and will never happen.
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The only way it will work right now is on purpose built restricted roads. Which is stupid and will never happen.
Well maybe if they were on their own rights-of-way, with some sort of a system to keep them from going astray, like steel rails or something.
Yeah; like this https://www.amazon.com/Scalextric-St...SIN=B006ZVJF3G
...only bigger
well doneQuote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Is that Bobby Stainless' Twitter account?
The old people don’t get it, and probably won’t until it’s become painfully obvious. Self driving cars are the future, it’s just a question of when. Hopefully it’s sooner rather than later. As complete adoption in urban areas is the only way we are solving traffic.
As one of the old people of whom you speak I believe I can say that we'd be very happy if SDC's became practical by the time we're too old to drive. As it is we'll just have to rely on Uber, which isn't a great option in Truckee. But at least we have cannabis delivery.
Old people and drunks, and especially old drunks, are all for this.
Little theory of mine: SDC's will reinvigorate the outer suburbs.
a counter force to the rampant urbanism, right at the time millenials are having kids, Assuming it's rolled out in say 2-4 years.
Hoo boy. Where to start...Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
Fuck that. That's where I bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
That'd only "solve traffic" if it effects great changes in human movement patterns. As long as the pattern doesn't change, traffic won't. See how introduction of Uber etc. has increased traffic in NYC because there's more vehicles doing nothing on the road but looking for people to drive around better coordinating there movements (self driving) won't change the underlying problem of too many cars. And too many cars is the fatal flaw in the Musk/Silicon Valley prosperity gospel of self-driving EVs for everyone - there just isn't enough room. Or money to fund it.Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
Well at least you won't get run over. Probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
But yeah I'm bullish on long-term real estate values in the exurbs for sure. Because of SDC's and internet everywhere. You can have a meeting and nobody knows where the fuck you are. That's exactly what got me in on pagers (yeah, dating myself) and car phones and then cell phones. It will happen.
I personally have driven one-eyed on way too many country roads. Happy to hand that chore off.
27 yr old girl texting hits a cement truck head on. 74 yr old dude dumps it into the river.
this is in the middle of nowhere, w 8 foot shoulder lanes.
i would have ran her the fuck over, call me callous.
pics to follow..
When self driving cars are completely adopted in areas, you no longer need stop lights or any complete stops, ever. The highway always moves at top speed and no asshole decides to slam on his brakes and cut over at the last minute, stopping and slowing traffic for miles sometimes. Next time you are in 5mph traffic on the expressway note how many cars per lane per minute pass a given point. Then do the same when traffic is heavy but moving fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Our current roads could handle multiples of current capacity if all cars are operating via a centrally controlled / intelligent system. It’s not hard to imagine. Cars bunch into packets of 4-8 cars and alternate passing through an intersection from different directions while barely slowing. Or even, when a light turns green all the cars start moving at the same time.
Making self driving cars drive with other human drivers is more difficult than if all cars were self driving.
exactly. it's all or nothing. i'm 100% fine w all in. that's a big upgrade though. like burying telephone poles.
try to get a hemi cuda to behave.
We don't have the money to fill potholes.Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
Lots of countries have bullet trains. Why don't we? California has been trying to build one for decades and getting nowhere.
We have the technology to have flying cars. Why don't we? f
Our trains keep crashing into each other because nobody has installed the accident avoidance systems the feds mandated years ago.
The US deficit for 2020 is projected at 1.1 trillion.
Telephone poles buried in the ground is interesting. Do you take the wires off first?Quote:
Originally Posted by byates1
Centrally controlled self driving cars should not cost anything close to what a national high speed rail system would. It uses existing infrastructure and new cars. Same roads, just makes them way more efficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
What about the potholes?Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
At the moment they can't keep the lane lines painted around here.
I haven't read this yet but it looks interesting.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...term=TNY_Daily
SDC's aren't the high tech outside the box solution. Getting rid of cars is.
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Originally Posted by neufox47
So why ain’t the Chinese doing that then? Seems they’d be all into that their centrally controlled type of crap.
Get rid of cars and replace them with...?Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
I don’t see Americans eschewing the convenience of a individual vehicle anytime soon. I admit teleportation is a more attractive solution but it seems to be quite a bit more difficult to implement.
they've got all kinds of smaller city EVs that are selling fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
people won't give up cars they'll get the traffic they deserve.
Paris, London, Barcelona and Stuttgart have announced plans to ban all combustion vehicles in those cities by 2030. Other major cities, even in 'Merica, are likely to follow suit. It would not be a big leap from there to ban all human-operated vehicles.
likelihood of a ban on ICE cars in any 'murican city is near zero. We can't even get congestion pricing passed or any minimal restrictions on vehicle movement. I think selfdriving/remote vehicle operation will occur on highways first with the caveat that there's a huge seasonality issue. Humans have trouble in snow/ice/rain - how long will it take to program computers to deal with that?
The basics are simple--slow down, increase braking distance, modulate power delivery. But, yeah, it will probably take awhile. Humans are not going to get better at it, though. Even if the computers only get 1-2% better every year they'll be better than the humans in no time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
heh.
I was thinking more along the lines of semi-trucks - like Starsky which is testing "autonomous" trucks with a driver remotely operating the tough parts - https://www.freightwaves.com/news/st...lorida-highway and the snow/ice is "driving through a blizzard" or "glare ice" or things where whatever sensor suite willl have to do a bit more work.
Just a thought on how fuel is taxed and now people will be charging their cars at home. Will electricity become so unaffordable (I know it's already expensive in Europe) because the government will have to make up the difference?
So what the alternative. Use only charging stations so the tax will only be paid by users ? Don't think that will be realistic unless a vehicle can fully charge in 5 minutes.
It will be interesting if becomes a total FUBAR because of trying to change something too fast when the technology isn't there yet.
no. you hire and pay both government and private company's to do it. that way it costs a lot more.Quote:
Originally Posted by SB
I dunno - but they are doing some *crazy* shit with autonomous RC cars:Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AR2-OHCxsQ
The DARPA Challenge was won 14 years ago for off-road autonomy; the dynamics are easy compared to the whole "other drivers" thing. But inclement weather is still a problem for knowing exactly where you are and which way the road is pointed without infrastructure changes.
At which point steel rails are pretty cheap and offer nice maintenance and efficiency advantages.
If they can breakup AT&T why not BNSF? Think of the thread we could have if every railroad had a bike lane. The mind boggles!
Too much nerd.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles