4Runner/Tacoma alternatives?

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how do you re-tune ?

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https://vftuner.com/

Use to be OVTune, or orange virus tuning (cant remember) but he has a diff business model now. You can get the full program to set your own maps, etc and get into details or you can find a "local tuner" that will come out and set your system for less. When first released, it had 4 or 5 basic maps, now it is open and you can set your own maps or pay someone to do it. check out the forums.

or check out https://www.tacomaworld.com/forums/3...omas-2016.186/ for every TuRD gen question

personally i love the truck but it does have weaknesses as all vehicles.

What's the general consensus on buying a new Tacoma with manual transmission?

EDIT: reading the auto/manual transmission post at Tacoma World and getting an ear-full. https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/....783353/page-3

apparently you better not be a fat fuck

Looking at getting a midsize truck (taco, colorado, frontier, etc.) in the next 6 months. My default was getting a tacoma but I read reliability in new generations isn't what it used to be and tacoma tax is very real. Looking at spending under $30k for today's prices but would be stoked if I could justify a $20k truck (the value seems much better at $30k than $20k currently). This is going to be a daily driver in the city but for performance I'm more interested in off-road capability than towing capacity/payload. Tacos are expensive but resale value is incredible. Is Taco still king?

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Originally Posted by PeachesNCream

My default was getting a tacoma but I read reliability in new generations isn't what it used to be...

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2nd gen V6 Tacomas have the 1GR - arguably the most reliable V6 Toyota ever made.

Reliability complaints about the 3rd gen 3.5L are true, but the total number of catastrophic failures is (I believe) still fairly low.

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Originally Posted by PeachesNCream

...daily driver in the city but for performance I'm more interested in off-road capability than towing capacity/payload. Tacos are expensive but resale value is incredible.

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I'd look for a 2nd gen that's had regular oil changes and most importantly, no rust.

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Originally Posted by PeachesNCream

Looking at getting a midsize truck (taco, colorado, frontier, etc.) in the next 6 months. My default was getting a tacoma but I read reliability in new generations isn't what it used to be and tacoma tax is very real. Looking at spending under $30k for today's prices but would be stoked if I could justify a $20k truck (the value seems much better at $30k than $20k currently). This is going to be a daily driver in the city but for performance I'm more interested in off-road capability than towing capacity/payload. Tacos are expensive but resale value is incredible. Is Taco still king?

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I never took my Frontier off roading but I am sure it would be fine. I had the 4 door long bed, and it was my daily driver, and I would recommend against that. Turning radius was unebelievably bad.

My neighbor has a Frontier he lifted and put some beefier tires and suspension in for reasonable price and takes it off road w gusto. Id def consider it

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Originally Posted by AK47bp

Interesting. I thought the “whistle” was just mine.

So it’s a thing.

This is when you take your foot off the gas and the 4R is coasting right?


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V79Q4Gddj4

Hw to fix the Tundra whistle in the 5.7

I'm selling my '20 Taco and bought a '09 Tundra. Shitty gas mileage, way more power, way more room. So far I'm happy with it. Love the 3rd gen Taco, but just needed more room for work and towing. If I didn't need that stuff, I would have totally kept the Taco. Even tried to get my wife to get rid of her car and take the Taco but no-go. Buddy that I bought the Tundra from bought a sweet '09 Taco with 80k for a steal. The deals are out there, you just gotta be really patient and ready to jump on it when the opportunity presents itself.

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The deals are out there, you just gotta be really patient and ready to jump on it when the opportunity presents itself.

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This. And be willing to travel for it.

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Originally Posted by hafjell

What's the general consensus on buying a new Tacoma with manual transmission?

EDIT: reading the auto/manual transmission post at Tacoma World and getting an ear-full. https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/....783353/page-3

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I got a manual Taco OR back in the fall and it's been solid all winter. It's not faster than the auto nor does it get better gas mileage but it's certainly more engaging and fun to drive. The only catch was I waited over 4 months for it. My dealer said manual Tacos can take up to a year to get if you want a particular color or trim.

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Originally Posted by HankScorpio

I got a manual Taco OR back in the fall and it's been solid all winter. It's not faster than the auto nor does it get better gas mileage but it's certainly more engaging and fun to drive. The only catch was I waited over 4 months for it. My dealer said manual Tacos can take up to a year to get if you want a particular color or trim.

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I bought my manual after test driving the automatic and being far from impressed. Of course you can tune that out with a KDmax tune or whatever. I bought mine 2 days before the Covid shutdown. There were probably 30-40 Tacomas on the lot and I took my pick of the litter. FFW to now, the lot is a ghost town last I checked.

Only other thing I wish I had gotten was a long bed in cement grey, mine is magnetic grey (the most common). But I'm not even sure you can get that in manual TRD OR. They make it tough with all the options and some not being available in certain configurations. Looking back, although I love the manual, I think I would have given it up for the longer bed. It just isn't really all that better, not even that much more fun to drive because there just isn't that much power even when you downshift. And the truck is so well insulated these days, you don't really "Feel" the engine like you used to.

My wife also has a new Rav4 Hybrid and even her KBB value is above what she paid because it is wait listed. Funny world we are living in still.

Mine was Cement, long bed/short cab, trd sport, 6 MT.

The long bed was useful for hauling stuff (even stuff as small as bikes when the canopy was on). The trade off was that it's noticeably louder than the double cab.

RE: downshifting, the 3.5 is part-time Atkinson cycle. Trades torque for MPG.

New 4Runner got leaked a little early today by a Forbes post. Official Toyota debut is this afternoon. Nothing radical but I can't say I love the look

https://imgur.com/a/iaM5290

Looks like a little Sequoia.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...-2025-4runner/

Does having an 8 speed transmission mean SR5 is gone?

I like it, may get one used in 4 years.

Th hybrid I-Force Max engine may be sweet. Probably pricey.


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Interesting, Forbes pulled that original article from their site, and we are just able to access archives of it

alternative

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlewagon...988_k2500_4x4/

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Looks like a little Sequoia.

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It looks like it got stung by a bee.

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Interesting, Forbes pulled that original article from their site, and we are just able to access archives of it

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The official debut wasn’t until this afternoon/evening. Some chucklehead at Forbes posted it too early and then they had to retract

I dig it...more than the new LC.

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I hate the non-matched fender flares. Always look like shit after a couple years if not diligently maintained. I’d bet the color matched is a $5-8k body appearance upgrade.

Other than that looks pretty sharp.

eta: Idk how I feel about the turbo 4. Are those things going to run for 25 years? And if you are lucky enough to hang on for that long what kind of maintenance costs are you looking at?

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

It looks like it got stung by a bee.

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Ha, this will run through my head everytime I see one for the next 20 years.

Cause you're right.

9 trim options.

Milfhunter trim comes with a snorkel for those BBW’s.


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I so wanted a bronco killer, but I got what I expected from limp dick toyota.

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I so wanted a bronco killer, but I got what I expected from limp dick toyota.

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I doubt the 4runner will have recalls for the windshield falling out or the engine blowing up or....... but who knows.

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I so wanted a bronco killer, but I got what I expected from limp dick toyota.

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Ime, broncos and little broncos kill themselves.


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Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark

I so wanted a bronco killer, but I got what I expected from limp dick toyota.

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Cold take is cold.

So much overlap in the Toyota SUV fleet….

Venza - Corolla Cross - RAV4 - Highlander - 4Runner - LandCruiser - Grand Highlander - Sequoia.


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Wait until that 2 door land cruiser comes out.

Is Corolla cross really an suv?

Bring back the 22re!

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Originally Posted by east or bust

I hate the non-matched fender flares. Always look like shit after a couple years if not diligently maintained. I’d bet the color matched is a $5-8k body appearance upgrade.

Other than that looks pretty sharp.

eta: Idk how I feel about the turbo 4. Are those things going to run for 25 years? And if you are lucky enough to hang on for that long what kind of maintenance costs are you looking at?

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The black fender flares make it look like a cheap xterra.

I will never own another car with plastic unpainted fenders and bumpers. They deteriorate and look like shit in a few years.

Early 5th gen 4Runners had plastic fenders. Toyota got rid of them in the mid cycle refresh.

I own a 2018 TRD Off Road premium. I have like 60k miles on mine.

I’m going to sit on the sidelines for a few and see how this new drivetrain works out.

If I ever decide to replace my current 4 runner I may just go with a GX if the 4 cylinder drive train has reliability issues.

The new generation is so much more mechanically complex than the 5th gen…

early trail had said fenders is also culty

Hmm. Think I’ll keep sinking money in my ‘03 TuRD. Shoulda kept my ‘85 McFly

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Is Corolla cross really an suv?

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Toyota lumps SUVs and crossovers together. I'd say the RAV4 is a crossover as well.

My gf has the Corolla Cross Hybrid, neat little vehicle. Like a slightly smaller rav. Direct competitor to the Subaru Crosstrek, which I don't think is available in hybrid yet.

Fugly flares not on all trims.
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Hmm. Think I’ll keep sinking money in my ‘03…

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+1

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My daily driver is this black ‘97 ^

The new limited \/

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Interesting comparison of new 4runner vs old vs Land Cruiser

https://www.autoblog.com/2024/04/09/...r-old-4runner/

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

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Woof

Looks-wise it's more like a 4th gen with some crossover lines. 4th Gen is my least favorite, so this is 2nd from the bottom.

I still own a '99 MT that I have no realy reason to keep around. But I can't make myself get rid of it. Runs great and I still like driving it occasionally. Could probably use new front end everything but otherwise solid.