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^stick out any when stowed?
This is the half-deployed position where measurement needs to be taken. This is a 2017 90mm Vipec brake on ZeroG 95, I had to grind the ends at an angle so the ski would help spread the arms apart a bit to clear. Fully deployed, the brake arms measure 107mm at the ski base.
100mm on a DPS Wailer 106 is fine
110mm on a DPS Wailer 112 is fine (will try the 100)
This makes me want Tectons or Kingpins badly... spent a day inbounds on my Radical ST 1.0's this past weekend, they are OK but feel so much more vague and rough than alpine bindings.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveLarger
I have a pair of 2017 or older 120mm vipec brakes on my protests. They required a little bending but deploy well enough now. I use the same brake/binding between the protest and a GPO. Not exactly tecton specific info but once the new brake "standard" width is understood maybe 10mm difference will be manageable.
It appears that the narrowest ski brakes sold in North America are nominally 100mm. Has anyone tried using the 100mm brakes on skinny (~84 mm wide) skis? Any issues with the brakes catching, when putting the skis on edge?
Moosejaw carries brake sizes smaller than 100mm FYI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl_H
Got my first day of lift served on these. I am quite impressed with them still. Good conditions, but a good amount of variability, with small bumps and harder patches, plus rocks. I thought the on snow feel was excellent.
They are mounted to different skis than what I have skied with Vipecs, but I thought they felt much less vague at the heel, and I don't think Vipecs ski poorly.
So far, so great!
Not for Tectons.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejongiest
Also BD does not list brakes smaller than 100 on their page. But the 100 is called “medium” leaving room for a “small”.
I thought that the brakes themselves were the same between tectons and vipecs even though the rest of the mechanism may be slightly different? Maybe the skinnier brakes don't fit on tectons, I don't know. But Moosejaw sells Vipec brakes alone down to 80mm.
Same brake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic Carpet
https://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/sh...8_10000001_-1_
Good to know. Of course now mixing the different sizes of Vipec and Tecton brakes turns into brake width Russian roulette.
Yeah, we don't know for example if a 110 brake fits a wider ski when mounted to a Tecton vs. mounting to a Vipec Evo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic Carpet
... Thom
FYI you cannot put a Tecton heel on a Vipec heel track. You can get a Vipec heel on a Tecton track, but it will have a slight play... not advised.
Some brake arm measurements taken on a Tecton heel, measured from the inside of the tips of the plastic ends. Might help folks figure out what they actually have, and what ski width the brake will fit.
---------- Unmounted Arm -------- Tips at ---------- Tips Fully
---------------- (tip to tip) ------------Topsheet -------- Deployed
90 ------------- 135 ------------------- 91 ------------------ 110
100 ------------ 152 ----------------- 102 ----------------- 122
110 ------------- 157 ----------------- 108 ----------------- 130
120 ------------ 170 ----------------- 130 ----------------- 147
Some details:
- There seems to have been some brakes labeled "115mm" in 2017 that were actually 110mm brake arms.
- Any of the brake arms can fit skis about 8mm wider than the "Tips at Topsheet" measurement if you grind off the inner points of the plastic brake arm ends a bit. (With the brakes mounted, move the brakes from stowed to deployed to see where they need to be ground to clear the topsheets.) If you do a heavier grind, you could go an additional 10mm or so. So with a moderate inner tip grind, "90" brakes could probably fit 101mm width ski, "100" brakes could fit a 112mm ski, "110" brakes could fit a 118mm ski, and "130" brakes could fit a 140mm ski. This is without even bending the brake arms.
- Interestingly, the "115" (110) and 120 brake arms are the same from the middle to the first bend, and a more shallow bend angle (followed by a tighter outer bend) is what makes the 120 wider. Adjusting the ~45 degree bend angles in a vise should be a lot easier than modifying alpine brakes with 90 degree bends, since you can play with minor changes to the two existing bends instead of completely relocating full 90 degree bends.
Don't know about the Evo, but there wasn't a difference at the critical point (when the arm tips cross the topsheet plane) using the same arm on a Vipec Black vs the Tecton.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
Can you run the Tecton without a brake and just go with a strap?
Yes. Saves you very little weight and unlike dynafit it doesn't make it easier to operate the binding. But if you are rocking DPS Spoons and the brakes won't fit, sure!Quote:
Originally Posted by Choucas
Thanks for this, I guess if the bindings work without flaw the guesstimating of brake sizes is a worthy trade offQuote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
My experience after three days of early season touring and a day of lift serve mirrors everyone else's. These are easy to operate, don't appear to be overly prone to icing or any other issues while touring and ski really well. I was especially impressed with them while mobbing through end-of-day chunder at the ski hill. They felt smooth, powerful and pretty well disappeared below my feet, which is about all I could ever ask of any binding, let alone a reasonably light weight and efficient touring binding.
The brakes are definitely wider than advertised, but I prefer that to last year's Vipec situation I think.
I'll update as I get more days on them, but so far I am stoked on these.
Anybody have a Tecton tech manual that they'd be willing to post?
^ This Vipec guide will help with toe adjustment: https://www.wildsnow.com/11228/mount...ritschi-vipec/
I have 6 days now on my Tecton's and I like them very much except for getting my toe peice to hit the pin holes on my 2017 Tecnica Cochise boots. Is the toe "bumper" adjustable?
This happened when a guy fell over while touring on Tecton:
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^WTF?!
That is some serious invagination.
Wow...that's odd. Did that boot have a ton of work done in the toebox or is that plastic just that soft?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moralkaka
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Been crossing my fingers that the little plastic sliding cam parts in the new toe don't ice up and hinder release in a knee fall or vertical heel release...wish they would have kept the pre-2018 Vipec's boot adapter clips. KISS principle. The new cam assembly isn't greased from the factory, but I worked a bit of grease into mine to hopefully prevent lockup due to ice.
No snow to ski them yet here, hope this issue was a big toe punch or something. (Tell me Vipec Black toes aren't going to be coveted, after I just sold mine, lol.) The Tecton/Evo toe trigger definitely makes them easier to step in, which is nice but not a real big deal, especially if forward release can be adversely affected.
I have Mtn Labs and the plastic is NOT that soft. Whoa indeed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Skidog
I've had just a couple days on Tecton but 8 days on the new Vipec EVO toes which are identical to Tecton. I haven't fallen over while touring and am pretty reluctant to duplicate a fall big enough to dent a boot like that. But I've found that the new toes are easier to get into than the old Vipec Blacks and that they work fine with Vulcans, Dalbello Lupo AX and Atomic Hawx. Ie the boots trigger the Toe release
I mentioned in the vipec thread that ice builds up under the toe lever and it can pop the clip off. That would mess with toe release. I just taped mine. Still I never has release problems... but I never needed it. I don't fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
Not tested with the Sollys yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
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I'll grab those and go for a walk with the Mtn Labs. Carpet test indicates it should be fineQuote:
Originally Posted by sf
Not calling bs...BUT I have trouble imagining the amount of force needed to do that could be done just by falling forward while touring...
How thin is the toe on those boots and what are those gouges from?
The dent even has the ridges from the toe release trigger, lol.
http://www.momentumsports.co.nz/word...tecton-toe.jpg
And did they release?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moralkaka
Don't know, he just wrote that he slipped and fell forward real hard..
He got caught on a branch which was buried under the snow and tripped, bindings in walk mode, the RH released as it should but not the LH...Quote:
Originally Posted by steveski
Edit; I wonder if the branch somehow could have kept the LH from releasing if caught under the lever
I assume you mean R and L toes? Heels wouldn't be a factor if in walk mode...Quote:
Originally Posted by SoooL
Yes, RH and LH as in left hand and right hand, sorry for confusing...Quote:
Originally Posted by steveski
I had my first double ejection of the season today. A very small air (3') over a rock into punchy slabby snow. I kept going but the skis with Tectons stayed put. Super clean double E.
Using them with Atomic Hawx 120 XTD.