Anyone have a weight for an UL veneer 192 protest? enquiring minds want to know!
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Anyone have a weight for an UL veneer 192 protest? enquiring minds want to know!
glad i've got my 177 carbons from years back with dynafit ft12's...
fun teton pass ski for the deeper days, and they make deep flatter pitches fun
they feel a touch forward, so I may put a set of B&D toe shims on them some day.
worked like magic on my 175 UL GPO's...
back to the protests, they are money!
I've heard that the Protests ski a little short. I'm about 6'2" 165lbs. My current setups are some older heavy Squad 7's in 190 (measure at 186cm) and 186 Renegades as a touring setup. Looking to go a little longer, should I go with a 192 or 196 in the Protest?
I've skied the 196 Renegade and enjoyed them quite a bit but I'm wondering if the 192 might be 'enough' ski.
Haha had the same problem with my 189 bents which are much close to 195. They barely fit every time. Our first try it was my bents, 189 pontoons and 189 mavens. We barely got in and fell on the way out. Super funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by PlayItLeo
Sent from my van down by the river. Using a NewSchoolers hack... sick I know.
Just how much snow do I need before I can test these out for the first time? 6" on top of soft?
https://i.imgur.com/X7yZKms.jpg
4" will do it, if you have a bit of open space to let them run - they plane on a dusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe
PNW protest mags, is standard flex good enough or is 4 necessary for inbounds skiing? Will only be bringing out on deep days as I already have some Bibby’s.
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Personal preference. I liked them at 4. I Would ski a 3 or 3.5. I probably wouldn’t want a 2 or a 5. I always think a slightly stiffer ski in the PNW is better for the weird snowQuote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Skier206
I'm new to Protest but thought the #3 in untracked was the ticket. Recently sold a #4 Q and I'm not sure there's as huge amount of a difference between 3 & 4 as it's made out to be. Own a #5 flex Ullr and yea you can tell.
Keith issues a #3 for stock edition (what I have) so there's probably a reason.
When its gets to be marine mash piles around PNW I'm on Billy Goats anyway.
If your Bibby's take care of your chop needs, there's your answer.
I have #4 flex Protests in Colorado and never once wished they were softer.
Basically buy whatever flex between 3-4 that presents it$elf
And get ta skiing...
Protest > Q
[for me]
I own a 3 flex ProTest and am looking to do a custom ProTest in a 4 flex. The 3 is nice in fresh pow but I'm really curious how a 4 would ski. If the ProTest in the build/length and top sheet came up in in GS for a good deal in a 3 flex, I would probably jump on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Skier206
Anyone have any insight on a protest with the heavy core? Probably make it even better in the heavy mank it already excels in?
Mine are similar in build to today's heavy core and I think a stiffer flex would help more in heavy cut up mank than just the build. The heavy build will help with less deflection and add some heft to bust through.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
Just spent my first 3 days on my 192s (enduro, veneer, carbon, #4). First two days were deep, first was 40-60 cm blower, second had warmed up, snow a bit heavier. Third had a bunch of windslab, sun crust, and some shaded deep soft snow.
Been on 11/12 191 BGs for deep (and not so deep, and ... well, a lot) days since ... 2011. Compared to the old BGs, the protests float and pivot easily at marginally slower speeds, have similar maneuverability at pace (though they're a bit qualitatively different), are close to as stable when landing (note: I'm a pussy, nothing over 10' so ... YMMV).
Ran into some debris, and some crusted over shit where snow had torn away. This was the place where I missed the tank-like nature of the BG. On punchy/grabby snow, the BGs weight was helpful, and on full on debris fields and crust, the BG is better. IDGAF about that stuff, but it's nice to be able to move through it quickly and get back to nice snow.
All in all, I prefer the BGs for resort pow, but for perfect bc/cat/heli days the protests are a bit better, especially when snow isn't that stable. oh yeah, and the protests are sexy.
Anyone care to give me a comparison on the 188 camo graphic with the dude on the tail, vs new 192 ProTest? Looking to do a custom here soon and was wondering what build would be similar in dampness? Pretty sure I'm doing a 4 flex as well.
How similar do they ski?
My impression is the older one is a little more damp/heavy, and a little more like the powderboards compared to the newest version. Extra 4 cm will give you a little extra stability on landings and high speed I'd imagine, but the core differences might negate that.
I picked up a pair of 188s, but won't be able to compare them to my 192 veneers til next season
Ok, thanks. I love the slarvability of the 188 as well as how easy it pivots and it's quickness in trees. If the new profile keeps those attributes, then I will be stoked. The 188 gets me back to the lift just fine, can even carve a trench if it's soft. I have zero issues with it on groomers. Not sure I agree with the new extra side cut, I haven't skied it so maybe I'm talking out my ass. Think I'll make a call to Praxis and pick their brains as well.
Anyone else??
I’d be interested in trying the 192 in a heavy core, no carbon. Maybe flex 3 or 4? Thoughts?
I’d still go enduro. Simply because of how much ski a heavy core protest would be. On3p uses their tour core for the c and d because it’s just too much damn ski otherwise. That change was made in 12/13 I think? Much more manageable ski thereafter.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
X2, also I think the MAP has been highly underrated here since Keith brought the heavy back, it's really very very good, as is the latest Protest iteration. Personally I absolutely love the Protest in the 4 and def wouldn't want it softerQuote:
Originally Posted by SupreChicken
X3. I have 196cm with the MAP in a #4 and it is the perfect flex for the PNW. Has handled everything that Alpental has thrown at it this year. Nice and damp when snow gets heavier. I miss a bit of the playfulness of my old Bent Chetler, but not the deflection.Quote:
Originally Posted by eskido
I have heavy core Qs and i love them but i wouldn't dream of adding the heavy core to the protest. Its just too big a ski. I have MAP carbon and it keeps the fatigue down and skis amazing. Carbon not necessary but i enjoy it.
What do you feel the carbon adds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shu Shu
Weight reduction, a bit more pop in the flex. I think If i were to do it again i would add the veneer. The veneer seems to mellow the carbon harshness a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by phatty
^ my first protests were 192 carbon/map 4 flex. I decided to sell them and buy 192 enduro veneer 3 flex.
After skiing these and my brother's carbon enduro BC's, I've decided I'm not a fan of of Praxis Carbon in the resort. Transfers too much chatter IMO
Veneer has similar weight reduction, while also making the skis look better and adding a bit of dampness which is a win-win-win to me
How do you feel about flex 3 vs 4? I will likely order your current build, which I think is the stock build now. For their intended purpose I think the 3 would suit me well, but I keep thinking about big dump days with heavier/denser snow that the 4 might be better for crossing tracks on open faces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
I only got out once on my new pair this season in some nice fresh pow and they seemed to handle it well and I couldn't much of a difference between 3 and 4. The 192s are pushing it lengthwise for me, so the softer flex was to make them a little more manageable in tight CO trees. Softer flex helps float a little as well at slower speeds.
What's your height/weight? If you're over 6' and 200+ lbs I'd definitely think going 4 might be a good choice
5’ 10” 170. Want to prioritize slower over higher speeds with this particular ski so I should probably stick with the 3.
My 2017 C&Ds are beasts, even with the tour core. More charger than 189 BGs, although not as burly as 2x stiff Supergoats.Quote:
Originally Posted by SupreChicken
Anyone skied both C&Ds and Protests, and can comment on which one is more capable for resort skiing? I find the C&Ds a little too much for the resort. They work, but I much prefer the BGs for powder bumps and soft groomers.
On the other hand, in untracked conditions, the C&D is probably the best ski I have ever skied. Hands down. Can Enduro #4 protests charge as hard as C&D’s?
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I would say go 3. You could split the difference and go 3+ tooQuote:
Originally Posted by wwwllw
3 flex will be $$ for what you describe.Quote:
Originally Posted by wwwllw
I have a goldilocks 3+ and its awesome (5,10 170). Muggy to your earlier point i agree that in the MAP core veneer is a better option for reducing weight for resort biased use, especially in the big pow skis. In the 100 and 115 classes Heavy Carbon Veneer is ridiculously good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
The damping effect of veneer is like adding another pound or so to the ski, while actually removing weight. Call me a believer.
I doubt I'll ever veer from Enduro/Carbon/Veneer on any builds - whether for lift or touring, but then again, I don't charge like some of you.
... Thom
Finally pulled the trigger. Some damn smexy sticks, can’t believe how light there are
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Excuse me sir, “where do you have your Praxis skis”?Quote:
Originally Posted by Galbi
Cashier: “Over in aisle 3 by the frozen dinners; right next to the beef jerky display.”
:)
Your post office doesn't sell beer? Time to find a new mailbox...Quote:
Originally Posted by mn_teleswede
I have a good amount of days on Heavy Core#5 189 Rx now, and also 2017 189 BG's (pre-asym). They are both excellent, probably the best skis in their class, directional heavy snow chargers. Ultimately, the BG is more fun and and loose, and the Rx is more of a charger and carvy. Both ski heavier maritime pow very, very well. BG's are better for trees, and a little better in untracked, but the Rx slays hardpack, refrozen spring slush (coral reef), and ice, like a 105mm ski, without losing much in terms of float. In chop, it's a wash, both are among the best skis for tracked out resort pow. Rx feels more like an edgy one ski quiver, but doesn't shine as bright as BG's for slashing and surfing around. I don't mind BG's on refrozen coral, or slick ice, but the RES sidecut doesn't "hook up" like Rx's more traditional sidecut. In heavy mank, or rain days, the Rx is still better than most skis, but RES is up there with the best ( R/R, and maybe protest?)..Quote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
Both like to go fast and straight through difficult conditions. They both make difficult conditions easier to ski, and more enjoyable. In deep, soft, choppy, chunder bumps, that occur at high traffic resorts after a big dump, BG's surf and slarve right through them, as long as you follow the fall line. Rx handle them just as well, and also prefer the fall line, but Rx want to link large radius turns with cleaner (longer radius) carves. In deep untracked mank, or upside down powder with crust on top, the Rx's 32m radius and minimally tapered sidecut, performs almost as well as RES or full rocker Katana. I feel like I can be in the softer snow underneath the crust, and turn into that harder crust, without the tips hooking up at all, on both Rx and BG. I enjoy skis that make difficult conditions easier.
I suspect a heavy core #4 Rx, with carbon, would be better for untracked and messing around. The Praxis #5 glass flex is stiffer and more damp than 189 BG, but the On3p standard flex feels more poppy. Everyone knows about the BG's strengths, but it's harder to find a ton of info on Rx's. IMO the Rx's strengths are, quickness edge to edge, edge hold in unpredictable (firm or soft) situations, and heavy snow performance. Because the Rx is so quick for it's width, even though it has a long radius, I can wring out some quicker turns than expected, making them better in bumps and trees than you'd expect by reading the specification chart.
Hole Lee fuck
I just experienced untouched, bottomless open alpine terrain on the protest for the first time.
Unreal. I am not that rad of a skier; and I could not make a mistake.
Bibbys don’t come close.
Goes to show ya ...
I'm not bonding with my 187 (2014?) Protests. These bad boys weigh 10.0 Lbs. and like to go straighter than I do.
They do some nice things, but having the Qs, I can't see myself loading the Ps into the car.
I think it was Shu Shu who commented that his Protests are a 2-3 time/year ski. If I bonded with them, that's probably how I'd approach them as well, much as I'd like to luck out with all-time conditions more frequently.
I've read quite a few comments here about how folks reach for them if 6" have fallen. From my perspective, that's the wrong tool for the job.
I only played with them for one morning in 9-10" of maritime blower (i.e. heavy, Spring powder), but I was in no way smitten with them.
Call me puzzled ...
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... Thom