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I'm happily counting in Dane to get me through the next 6 months. Pace yourself buddy, pace yourself.
Hey Neck, don't pick on the slow kid who has to write everything down!
Anybody skied these and Automatics and can give a flex comparison? Hand flex even? Looking at 187/186 in GPO and Automatic. Automatic seem like they may be a bit soft for heavy crud and med-stiff seem like they may be a bit stiffer than I want for slow speed really tight trees. Keith said he thinks med-stiff may be slightly stiffer than 182 shoguns that I currently ski but he said he is really not sure about the shogun. Can't make a link between GPO med stiff and automatic through all the various reviews.
no auto input, but the med-stiff GPO is not a stiff ski to fear. i would not at all use the word stiff when describing the flex.
Auto definitely hand flexes softer than a med-stiff GPO. But the med-stiff GPO ain't crazy stiff.
On a 1-10 scale, if the automatic is a 5, the GPO hand flexes 7ish I'd say.
Fwiw the automatic is a good ski for tight trees & slower speeds.
hmm, maybe med+ is the way to go. How do the med-stiffs compare to the last version of the EHP in 186? Thanks for the beta.
Edit: has anybody requested black or white sidewalls? Not super interested in red with the stock purple/white top sheet.
The different colored sidewalls distinguish ski size, per modelQuote:
Originally Posted by 98brg2d
187 gpo in med+ is a bit stiffer than 186 ehp. 1-10; I'd say med+ is about a 6,5-7 while ehp are 5,5-6. But I have 50-ish days on them so they might have softened up a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by 98brg2d
Anybody tried the stiffs? Think they're still workable for a lighter guy?
I have medium stiff and would not want more at 180 lb. have skied 196 renegade as a side note
Compared to say a DPS RPC or some of my other similar skis like a Soul 7, the medium stiff GPO is on the soft side. Softer than a Rossi Soul 7 for sure and stiffer than a Super which shocked me. Thought the Soul would be softer than the Super.
Finally got my 192's!!!
Still playing with them but the dimple isn't that bad. I may drop back 1cm at most. Comparing to my 196 renegades, 190 DPS RP112 and 187 blizzard bonafide.
Also the hand flex on the med-stiff is nice.
Much better than the DPS which I find feel like they want to fold under you and they are softer then the rens
Few GPO pics. From the quiver pic thread.
I have 192's. I like the bases that were selected. I have robin egg blue sidewalls.
As I stated before the flex is really nice and the shape is amazing! Great rocker profile.
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One of these things is not like the others... And all of the new GPOs is bumming me out as I am completely jonesing for my 193 MVPs... Also, looking forward to several reviews on the GPO as I already have 191 BillyGoats that I love, but am really digging the new GPO and have a strong feeling 192 GPOs will be added to my already large overlapping quiver... Man I am so digging what Keith and the crew are doing at Praxis...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bird Blaster
Seriously. What the hell was DPS thinking? Such overkill; I can't imagine how poorly those must ski. Anyways, the GPO is looking very very good and I can't wait to make some room in the quiver for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
I would have to agree. I was such a DPS fanboy, but I think I was on the 112 about 5 days total last year. It is too soft and the aggressive rocker might be TOO much. I am hoping the GPO will be what I wanted the 112 to beQuote:
Originally Posted by ego7man
I will likely downsize from my 192 into a 187 as I attempt to go sub 190 on all skis in the quiver. 192 med/stiff mounted at -2 for 310 BSL for FKS.
Used 2 days, big boy chargers, small nick on one topsheet from ski base slicing into topsheet. Otherwise immaculate. Seemed better than gearswap. Anyways just downsizing, since the design is money
Depends who you are and where you're skiing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ego7man
After 180 days on them in powder trees... they do not ski poorly [tails wheelie out too much though]. They carve groomer like a mofo as well, but that is of no use to me.
Side-by-side 'comparisons' to the GPO has kind of surprised me though. One is a FWT ski, the other most certainly is not.
I'll bite. I'd guess they were thinking, "hey, this shape is super versatile because it rips on groomers (short turns, at medium speeds) but is also really easy and intuitive to ski in POW. That's gonna be appealing to 90% of our customers, so fuck dawg, lets go sell the shit out of some skis."Quote:
Originally Posted by ego7man
It's not a cruise missile, but it doesn't have to be; DPS has other skis in their lineup for that. They're not perfect, and I think the Praxis GPO improves on the shape, but your average - above average skier would/and should be stoked on a 112. Seems like DPS's thinking was actually pretty sound.
I may be in the minority, but on this day, and many other days the 112 rated as 'better than OK' :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by ego7man
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/a...pse81bd2ab.jpg
Not usually one to participate in a pissing match, but:Quote:
Originally Posted by ego7man
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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e...520No.2-21.jpg
The exaggerated best and worst comparisons never cease to give me a laugh.
If you had gpos you might have hit it from the top, not like a pussy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_Sauce
sent from the future using my mind powers
They ski poorly in the hands of a poor skier and great with a good one just like any other skis. If you can ski you can ski and if you can't you can't. It doesn't really make much difference what are strapped to your feet. Good skis will make a good skier smile, but they won't make a bad skier any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ego7man
I don't know about that. I would consider good comp skiers to be the best skiers on the hill. They are technically sound, ski everywhere fast, and throw tricks. I'm sure the rp112s would fold on any comp skier skiing anything but freshies. They're super soft and have an exaggerated rocker so I'm sure they kill it in the untracked, but any "good skier" would not be smiling after skiing fast in anything other than ideal conditions. I think a poor/average skier would really enjoy the rp112s because they do low and medium speeds very well as well as excel in untracked conditions. I'll stick to my RC112s, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetdog
I agree with that. Flip side is if you can ski, a really good ski mounted correctly can make a good skier work a lot less and enjoy the ride a lot more. Really good skiers can adapt to damn near anything with a tip and tail. Doesn't make the ski easy or fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetdog
Some seriously good skiers never even leave the ground, let along think about skiing terrain like 'comp skiers' would. And they are happy skiing at speeds which wont result in death if they hook a tip on a buried branch and then hit a tree.Quote:
Originally Posted by ego7man
All you really needed to say was "aggressive powerful fast comp skiers would not enjoy the RP112, it would probably fold on them"
Washer woman pirate avatar, nice!
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Originally Posted by neck beard
http://vimeo.com/alric/olof
I guess a picture is worth a thousand words, but this is a Praxis GPO thread after all.
http://vimeo.com/7077089
Turn'um or burn'um...your choice :)
Came back from vacation and my GPOs were waiting for me at the post office.
187 medium+ carbon layup.
They are damn near identical to my automatics in shape, when you put them base-to-base the differences are so small you only see edge, no base. weird how such small differences make for a 5m longer turning radius for the GPO.
The flex is also very very similar, the GPOs are the slightest bit softer right at the tip but they stiffen up quickly, both skis feel about the same in the middle. The automatics have a really soft and heavily rockered tail, which I was never a fan of. The GPOs keeps a round, stout flex through the tail (a bit stiffer than the tip). this is what I'm most stoked about.
as for the rocker, both skis have the exact same tip height, just a different "curve", the praxis' seem to start a bit earlier. the tail on the GPO is a lot lower, which I really like. The automatics have tons more camber, which I like because it makes them lively/poppy in the untracked and they can rail on soft groomers. it will be interesting to see how much of a difference this makes on the snow.
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as far as the mount goes, I was expecting a way bigger difference. the mount point on the automatics is pretty far back by most standards; I mounted mine at +1.5 and am pretty happy with the way they ski. If I were to do it again I might go +3 or so because I don't feel like there is enough support from the tail, but the GPO seems to have solved that problem.
lining up the autos at 1.5 with the dimple on the praxis', the GPOs tip is about 1.5cm behind the auto, and about 2.5cm behind the tail (the autos are 186, and measure out to be exactly 1cm shorter). I'm thinking about mounting them -1cm, but not 100% yet
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anyone else notice the signature?
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Awesome comparison to the Automatic fiend. Just what I was looking to confirm about the tail stiffness. By my calculations, mount should be 1.5 to 2-cm forward on GPO compared to Automatic but that includes some small assumptions on my part and other people's measurements that have been published on here and blister. Order placed for Flex 7.
Care to share those calculations?Quote:
Originally Posted by 98brg2d
So the DPS RPC is stiffer than the med - stiff GPOS? Is that the pure 3 construction? Anyone else able to comment on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dane1
Sent from my SGH-I747M using TGR Forums
the chicken could
Dane1 wrote: Care to share those calculations?
They are simple geometry but you need all the measurements:
Straight pull length
Straight pull tip to boot center/boot center to tail
tip contact point to boot center (or straight pull rocker length)
tail contact point to boot center (or straight pull rocker length)
straight pull contact length is good to have to confirm the calculations are correct.
PM me your email address and I can send you the spreadsheet loaded with 187 GPO, 182 Shogun, 186 Auto, 193 Auto.
Just pulled them out again to verify. 192RPC is a Pure from '12/13 and the the GPO is a recent 182 Carbon. By a hand/floor flex No question the RPC is a stiffer ski over all. The GPOs are softer tip and tail but stiffen up quickly under foot. Under foot who knows which is a stiffer ski. RPC has a more uniform flex over all and a good bit stiffer. Observation not a criticism on either ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by shafty
I am hoping the skis are similar enough on paper to be different flavors of the same dark chocolate. I have a 192 GPO coming as well in a medium+ flex. Which i am really excited to get on the snow.
FWIW I really disliked the 112RP. And really like the RPC. Everything DPS did to the RPC to enhance that ski, Keith and Drew did even more of on the GPO imo. Same recipes may be, different master chefs?
Anyone able to comment on the stiff version of the GPO?
But will the chicken do so?Quote:
Originally Posted by shroom
How do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dane1
Medium stiff is less stuff than rens
"Everything DPS did to the RPC to enhance that ski, Keith and Drew did even more of on the GPO imo."
Start with the 112RP. IMO the RP is a soft flex (but stiff torisionally). Too soft for my own use. It has a lot of rocker in tip and tail. For the RPC they added some width under foot, made them stiffer in flex and lowered the tip and tail rocker which gave a longer ski surface and edge contact (i think) . Love the ski in 115 RPC form. Disliked the 112PC. They'll always sell more of the 112RP and then sell a lot of the 112RP owners a RPC at some point is my guess. Pretty much acknowledged by those that know the 112RP is a "beginner's ski". The RPC is one of DPS's most versital and high performance skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by shafty
If I wanted to bump the performance of a RPC for my own use? And I am alwasy looking for the next "best" ski. At least in my mind, continue along the lines of the RPC mods. The GPO lowers the tips and tails and reduces the rocker. Make it a more progressive flex and still torsionally. For a lively and still damp ski the hybrid carbon/wood build is a good option. Little added weight over the Pure version of the RPC.
To be fair i have yet to ski on my GPOs but will shortly. Not that late season snow is going to tell me much. All the above is just paper and hand held observations. I could just as easily be full of chite about all this.
I did put my money on that bet with two pair of GPOs. One here and one coming. The only decision now is where the boot will be mounted. Praxis is making some really beautiful skis :biggrin: