If everyone in showbiz is no more than 6 degrees from Kevin Bacon, then there isn't anyone in Tahoe or Truckee that is more than 2 degrees from Tourism.
Mmmm bacon. What was I sayin? Nevermind, I'm gonna go cook up some bacon and then feed the grease to my bio-diesel Hummer.
isn't markleeville all about the river and tourism based on that (rafting, fishing, etc.)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
i ain't sure about tahoe but know first hand that mammoth lakes fills more beds/day during the summer than winter. that knowledge dates back from the mid-90's to present.
I make a living at that in the Bay Area. Ergo, 'woo is just another poser local.Quote:
Originally Posted by VC
I've been a tourist since the day I was born.
Just passin' through, enjoyin' the view...
Thats not really his job.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmmm...pow!
yes it is, or it seemed like it's what I read on the blog posted on the website that he designed.Quote:
Originally Posted by VC
Point being that company wouldn't exist without tourist dollars. I would love nothing more than to see Tahoe have a self sustaining economy that was not subject to seasons, weather, etc. Just local businesses supporting other local business. It ain't happening. Every single job in Tahoe, with the exception of a few government jobs or working from home, is dependent on tourism money, no way anyone can successfully argue that.Quote:
Originally Posted by VC
Ain't this thread about Whitewolf? Lets get back to speculating about that and how disappointed everyone is gonna be when they realize how overhyped linking Squaw and Alpine is, save for the few days that Whitewolf will actually ski good without being sun-baked.
Can we all agree that there are plenty of bay area douche bags? C'mon, I was born in the north bay and still live here because I can't convince my wife to move closer to Truckee / SLT / whatever for various reasons, but god knows when I'm up there I find a lot of the bay area folks pretty damn annoying. And yes, c'mon, their money is necessary to the area in general in some ways (but not be-all-end-all) but they don't have to be snotty fucking assholes about it either. If you want to come up to Tahoe with that attitude then just stay the fuck home.
There are douches (and nice folks) everywhere. A lot of them (the douches) seem to be in this thread.
I should probably just say that I do not know what KidWoo's real job is...Quote:
Originally Posted by jfost
I was just funnin him about designing skis being "unrelated to tourism"...
Bump for the Troy interview on Snowbrains
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHwfrf3-XJw
Gated community ski area? That sounds kind of sucky.
I don't think he has much choice--Placer County will only give him a permit for a "friends and family" ski area. He probably doesn't have the resources to hire the consultants and lawyers it would take to get a permit for a real ski area. So if the area is going to have that limited of a clientele he has to figure out how to get the money it will take to build and run it out of a very few people.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaisingArizona
As far as the interconnect goes, either he's shining us on, or, much more likely, KSL is shining him on. No way an interconnect via white wolf makes economic sense, given KSL's business model--any interconnect needs to be low intermediate friendly.
A lift that loads in both directions?Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
He mentions the possibility of a connector gondola - which probably makes sense because it could be used all season long regardless of snow cover or stability, and service all skier levels.
I thought his explanation for going private vs. public made a lot of sense.
As in it would be the most profit for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
It's not like KSL is some hippie-dippie non-profit doing it for the community, he's entitled to whatever he can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaisingArizona
So if you were him you'd just open it up for free?Quote:
Originally Posted by RaisingArizona
No, not dealing with all of the hassle of getting public use permits. It's a major PITA and would probably take twice as long or more. When I first heard "private" I thought that was extremely lame but that reasoning makes a lot more sense IMO. So while not ideal, I get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaisingArizona
Ok, this makes sense. That was the answer I was digging for I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
Are there chairs that download comfortabl9?. People do download chairs of course, even Red Dog (beginners get up there and decide to download with patrol) but I don't think the ordinary chair whether fixed or detachable would be very popular. A gondola of course could do it but would be very expensive. An interconnect is certainly possible; I'm just questioning whether it will make economic sense to KSL--in fact I wonder if we'll see any lift upgrades while they're spending big bucks on the village for the next few decades. An interconnect would mainly be of use to people staying in the village, especially those without cars. The rest of us decide where to ski for the day and go there. There's enough at either area to keep anyone busy for a day. I've ridden Peak to Peak at Whistler Blackcomb a couple of times--once out of curiosity and once to see if the fog was any better over yonder (it wasn't); I can't say it added anything to the experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaisingArizona
There's one at Val D'Isere. But it feels a lot higher going down than up.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Gondola remains the most likely.
Regardless, this is a marketing question - both to ticket/pass purchasers and to potential purchasers of the resort.
err - you can ski W or B staying in the main base village easily riding lifts; P2P just means you don't have to ski to the base to get to the other side. You can't ski Alpine and Squaw without getting in a shuttle bus (or a car, or whatever). So if you want to market a "great big area" you need a "great big area". Surely this is actually obvious if you think about it? There's a whole realm of lifts beyond the little shitlets and whatever. Oh well, now back to the usual local/2ndhomeownerswhopretendtheyarelocals/bayareadouchesQuote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Well I'm sure KSL will work out the kinks. I just think it's a bummer that White Wolf will be a private closed zone for only the wealthy sort of like the Yellow Stone Club. Sounds fucking lame to me but whatever.
It is obvious--they have to market one big area, they don't have to actually build it. Remember, they're not marketing to skiers, they're marketing to real estate investors. All they have to do is keep talking about an interconnect. How many real estate developments in this country promised parks, community centers, tennis courts, pools, and golf courses that were never built?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
A local is someone who goes to Maui in March and leaves town for the fourth of july.
they are interested in bringing the $ per visitor up. for that they need more destination tourists, staying in the valley, eating in the valley, taking expensive ski lessons. a shuttle bus won't cut it. The competition is W/B and the like; they've been rather successful at raking in more $ and generating cash. P2P was useful for this (as well as bringing in summer business I believe). Kirkwood soaked up all the saps who wanted pie in the sky sierra bullshit. < shrug > now back to the usual california schizophrenia
Maybe what KSL needs is a Zip Line from the top of red dog to AM base, and a chair lift from AM base to the top of Red Dog.
Dig a tunnel through to the Alpine side? Build parking garages, shopping mall, discotheques?
I almost care about this, so I watched the video, and all I got out of it was this:
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...ps9622c534.jpg
This. Riding a gondola from one mountain to the other is sexy / cool - riding a shuttle bus is decidedly not. I do think they'll actually build it... unless the whole village expansion falls through, then not a chance in hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
What should KSL spend their money on?
Can the interests of KSL/tourist/weekendwarroirs/residents/employees/Troy be aligned?
I think that answer lies more in Whitewolf than in waterslides & bowling alleys at the Village.
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
BTW, OG and The Dad, Heavenly downloads Gunbarrel all the time. It doesn't traverse any heavy terrain, but it's a regular download nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by RaisingArizona
Or a Chondla??Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad
Then they could charge for the Zip Line as an added attraction. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by old goat
...or only open it occasionally like the Silverado lift.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowHot
The journey of the Caldwells is an epic Tahoe tale 50 years in the making
https://tahoequarterly.com/features/mountain-dreamers
Quoting SV paid spokesman johnny Mosley on the "local community "benefits and acceptance of the B2B gondola. Lol.
Wow. Very cool read. I knew about the guy but never knew his backstory.Quote:
Originally Posted by fomofo
And the gondola is awesome.
They need to open the terrain however.
PS. Sweet 10 year necro bump.
Before Caldwell bought the land, Squaw used to open it first thing on spring mornings. We'd drop a car on the Alpine rd and be in line when they opened KT at 9. Fun, rolly south facing terrain ski'd well at 9:15 AM in mid-April!Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot