Good story about that wonderful Moore guy!

IT PAINS MY HEART TO SEE TJ BURKE AND DEXTER RUTECKI ARGUE. I THOUGHT YOU MADE UP BEFORE DEX DIED.

that is all.

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Originally Posted by MassLiberal

You have no sense of humor. Didn't you even see the movie goldmember??

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Don't have a clue what you're talking about...."You know, a flapjack und a shigarette?" (sorry, missed out on the humor part...:cool: )

What the hell happened to the board? Went out for a lunch appointment and couldn't get back in for over an hour.

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Originally Posted by GoldMember

What the hell happened to the board? Went out for a lunch appointment and couldn't get back in for over an hour.

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That is why some of us never leave:wink:

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Originally Posted by Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo

That is why some of us never leave:wink:

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Join Date: 05-23-2006

I guess when you say never you really mean just this past week?

JONG

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Join Date: 05-23-2006

I guess when you say never you really mean just this past week?

JONG

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Guilty as charged. Does it bother you that a confessed jong is smarter than you and your european friends. :the_finge

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Originally Posted by Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo

Guilty as charged. Does it bother you that a confessed jong thinks he's smarter than you and your european friends. :the_finge

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Fixed it for you

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Originally Posted by Pura Vida

Regardless if you agree with Moore or not, one thing is clear, from a filmmaker’s standpoint these are propaganda films and not "documentaries." It's interesting that people are so quick to dispute the propaganda claim. Any informed viewer can see that Moore twists things, edits, and uses comments made out of their original context. While I share much of the same beliefs and concerns as Moore, it scares me how much people love to defend this guy.

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Couldn't have said it better. My exact sentiments. Like I said earlier, it would be so damn easy to produce a neutral factual documentary about the leadup and progress of Iraq war, get it advertised bigtime so people start talking and the administration still looks like the absolute trash they are. By going over the top the way he did and pulling cut-and-paste fact conspiracies out of thin air, all he did was give the right cannon fodder to slice his crediability out from under him. He let his anger and greed get the best of him.

Look at the documentary "Baghdad ER" on HBO. You sit all your friends around the tube to watch that and I guarentee you some thoughts change whether this war has been worth it or not.

Syprik, Frontline has done multiple programs on the lead up the Iraq War, to little fanfare outside of PBS’ core audience. These days you’re not going to break through the clutter unless you play-up the sensationalism and rhetoric.

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Originally Posted by AKPogue

So tell me, how can you judge someone's reaction in a combat situation? I was not getting into PNW about his viewpoint on the war but the fact that he said that the Marines are running around wild in Haditha which is so far from the truth. Unfortunately bad shit happens in wars because decisions are made instantly under the most extreme stress and having not been under that stress you can never understand it!

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It's hard to judge your stance on this, but are you in someway backing the soldiers' actions in Haditha? It seems so given the way you took offense to someone commenting about it (regardless if they know what combat stress is or not). Have you seen the preliminary evidence brought forth? Everyone, including the military, knows its an utter mess created by only a few. If I have a military background family, have two friends over there now who are in constant comm with me and lost a close child-hood friend in April (Cpt. Tim Moshier (age 25) - his Apache shot down- has brought me much suffering), is my opinion not worthy to someone such as yourself to "partially" understand the stress they undergo after listening to endless first hand accounts? I follow Iraq very closely and Haditha is not at all representative of the way our military should and does carry itself. There are many other troops over there going through the same stress and anxiety, but are professional and mentally controlled enough to not go a-wall on two dozen civilians. Not that it's a bad trait, but it's typical of folks who've served and are serving to back your brothers up no matter how dire the situation looks. But after all the info that has surfaced, this one I wouldn't touch with a 10ft pole (ex. Abu Ghraib). If you are prepared to give those guys benefit of the doubt because you've experienced combat stress and understand it first hand, and know that the muderous actions of those few have impacted the good of many, then you are misguided and are handing out a free-pass card to some weak sauce soldiers. If not the case, which I assume is so, disregard my comments.

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Fixed it for you

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Damn, you got me good. So I guess that means you won't be answering my question? I guess us uniformed American's don't deserve an answer anyway. Just a bunch slack-jawed yokels huh?

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Originally Posted by Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo

Damn, you got me good. So I guess that means you won't be answering my question? I guess us uniformed American's don't deserve an answer anyway. Just a bunch slack-jawed yokels huh?

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Which question? This one?

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Originally Posted by Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo

What an original sentiment. If you truly believe this then may I ask, why the fuck are you here instead of home protesting your own governments involvment in the war instead of hanging out with all us partisan, uninformed assholes?

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You're right it doesn't deserve an answer.

To all of you Michael Moore lovers and haters out there-

http://members.cox.net/ammaroo/jabbathemoore.jpg

Click on the picture for a video of Michael Moore's wonderful intellect on display

Honestly, if you don't see the train wreck that is the GWB Presidency by now you never will.. :eek:

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Originally Posted by DaveTV

Honestly, if you don't see the train wreck that is the GWB Presidency by now you never will.. :eek:

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Lame duck is more like it. But, I don't totally disagree with you. Anyway, isn't this thread about Michael Moore?

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Originally Posted by DisArray

Anyway, isn't this thread about Michael Moore?

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Well, it started out being about some a-hole trying to make a fortune because Mike used footage of him in his movie, but I think that topic's been buried under a few pages worth of shit by now.

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Originally Posted by DaveTV

Honestly, if you don't see the train wreck that is the GWB Presidency by now you never will.. :eek:

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I disagree. Much more scrutiny will be placed on his presidency when he is no longer in office and no longer commander in chief.

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Originally Posted by snow_slider
The exact same could be said of Bush. Remind me again, which one's actions (Bush or Moore) caused thousands of US casualties and cost the US taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars? Oh yeah, that's right...Moore's the bad guy....

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Originally Posted by Summit

"Bush is bad, that makes OK for Moore to be bad." BLINDINGLY BRILLIANT

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Summit, you're either being obtuse or your Republican dial is turned up so high that your mind has shut down. Where, exactly, did I say that I agree with what MM did/does? All I'm saying is that Bush did/does the same shit (twist the truth to suit his wants) and Bush's actions carry much more severe consequences. Yet, here you are, supporting Bush and condemning MM.

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Originally Posted by Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo

Guilty as charged. Does it bother you that a confessed jong is smarter than you and your european friends. :the_finge

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Dude, you gave me some good AT advice, so I'll give you some, don't bring the level of discourse down to that of four year olds shouting "I'm smarter than you!!!" Sure, we insult one another with alarming frequency in here, but do it by calling them an asshole, you know, like an adult.:D

Thanks for the advice. It wasn't really an insult so much as a fact;) . But I got it now; profanity-adult and mature, commenting on someones intelligence-immature. Will do. And I gave you good AT advice? Man, I rarely give good advice to anyone on anything. All you guys must be rubbing off on me, thanks:D

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Originally Posted by The AD

Well, it started out being about some a-hole trying to make a fortune because Mike used footage of him in his movie, but I think that topic's been buried under a few pages worth of shit by now.

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That asshole is a VETERAN THAT LOST BOTH OF HIS ARMS DEFENDING US ALL. Moore misrepresented his image and what he was actually saying in that clip. So the next time you touch your wife, take a piss, comb your hair, hold your childs hand. Remember that this SOLDIER you call asshole cannot. Shame on you

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Originally Posted by TJ.Brk

That asshole is a VETERAN THAT LOST BOTH OF HIS ARMS DEFENDING US ALL. Moore misrepresented his image and what he was actually saying in that clip. So the next time you touch your wife, take a piss, comb your hair, hold your childs hand. Remember that this SOLDIER you call asshole cannot. Shame on you

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sorry teej, that dog won't hunt. Being a vet and being an asshole are not mutually exclusive of one another.

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Originally Posted by lemon boy

sorry teej, that dog won't hunt. Being a vet and being an asshole are not mutually exclusive of one another.

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heh, you haven't met my vet. Bastard musta picked up rabbies or somethin.

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Originally Posted by TJ.Brk

DEFENDING US ALL

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That is a matter of opinion

Teej, you might want to use some logic in those statements, sure it's emotionally charged subject, but don't base your argument off feeling.

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Originally Posted by snow_slider

Summit, you're either being obtuse or your Republican dial is turned up so high that your mind has shut down. Where, exactly, did I say that I agree with what MM did/does? All I'm saying is that Bush did/does the same shit (twist the truth to suit his wants) and Bush's actions carry much more severe consequences. Yet, here you are, supporting Bush and condemning MM.

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I made the same assumption you just did. I'm hardly supporting Bush. Just pointing out that Moore's actions are not A-OK just because Bush is pulling shit (which is what I assumed you were saying).