Hello Friends...The 2013 Masters Thread

I had a similar situation last week. Hit an 80yd, 3/4 PW fat and into a pond fronting the green. I liked the distance and the swing so I opted to play from where I was rather than move closer or to the drop zone as entitled by the rules. Hit it to 10'. It's almost always better to repeat a "feel" swing IMO. Tiher should have known the rule and if it was a brain fart on his part, that's part of the game too.

I will admit that I don't feel TV review has any part in the game but Tiger continues to give me a reason to have no respect for him in or out of golf.

You don't respect him in golf?? I understand the out of golf part, but, lord, we're talking about possibly the greatest ever. A self centered ass who cheats an eentsy bit, but, still.

Where are you guys seeing that they discussed the penalty with him before he signed his card? From what I remember reading the articles this morning it sounded like the committee assessed the penalty after he signed the card.

If that is the case, that he signed an incorrect card, despite the "saving rule" for inadvertent or missed mistakes/penalties, then the discussion is moot, no? DQ.

If they did discuss it with him before he signed then I guess I just wasted a lot of time typing this out on the damn iPad screen.

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Where are you guys seeing that they discussed the penalty with him before he signed his card? From what I remember reading the articles this morning it sounded like the committee assessed the penalty after he signed the card.

If that is the case, that he signed an incorrect card, despite the "saving rule" for inadvertent or missed mistakes/penalties, then the discussion is moot, no? DQ.

If they did discuss it with him before he signed then I guess I just wasted a lot of time typing this out on the damn iPad screen.

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This is what i thought i heard. A tv viewer called it in after he signed, and they assessed the two stroke penalty. They reopened it after he opened his mouth, but took no action BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY RULED. Which is bullshit. When he admitted it was intentional, to improve his next shot, imho that is different than 'accidentally' dropping a bit further back.

[the bluetooth keyboard is a great investment w/iPad...;)]

I watched the press conference with the Masters head rules guy. He said the caller called in WHILE Tiger was on the course, they reviewed it WITH Tiger before he signed his card, but they didn't really discuss it with him, just a review. During this review the officials didn't see a problem with his drop being a little behind his original shot. He signed a "correct" score card that had been ruled and reviewed by the committee.

Then, as the lead official guy they held this conference with this morning, he said he was eating dinner when he got word of Tiger's post round, post signing interview, where he said he purposely (and he thought legally) a couple yards back. He went back to Augusta National and they decided to talk to Tiger this morning where they discussed it again, and Tiger, upon further reflection saw the error in his ways and agreed he should be assessed the penalty. He said Tiger was very forthcoming with everything and agreeable, which is the reason the committee decided not to DQ him, and that any other golfer who had acted the way Tiger did would not have been DQ'd.

The official guy was asked on his third question if he had conversation about the drop with Tiger. He said he did not, they just ruled it was fine, partly because Tiger told his caddy to stay where he was to not lose the spot, and the caddy never moved.

The fourth question by the same guy was, "Don't you think, in retrospect that you should have had a conversation with him about it?" His answer was, "There are things I wish I had done differently every single day of my life."

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Originally Posted by Tye 1on

This is what i thought i heard. A tv viewer called it in after he signed, and they assessed the two stroke penalty. They reopened it after he opened his mouth, but took no action BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY RULED. Which is bullshit. When he admitted it was intentional, to improve his next shot, imho that is different than 'accidentally' dropping a bit further back.

[the bluetooth keyboard is a great investment w/iPad...;)]

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Ok, the rules dude just said to Nance on CBS that they didn't make the call until early this morning - after he signed his card. (And also that Tiger's statements about trying to take a couple yards off were what made them more concerned and confirmed that he had to be penalized).

I stand by my comment - he signed an illegal card and the mental gymnastics being performed to make that fact shoehorn somehow into the new "oversight" rule are a joke.

[im going to have to look into that Bluetooth keyboard thanks!]

EDIT: pretty much what Guruu posted while I was posting too. I just don't think that this would have been handled the same had it been Carl Spackler from Bushwood instead of Tiger Woods from Jupiter Island.

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Originally Posted by Tye 1on

This is what i thought i heard. A tv viewer called it in after he signed, and they assessed the two stroke penalty. They reopened it after he opened his mouth, but took no action BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY RULED. Which is bullshit. When he admitted it was intentional, to improve his next shot, imho that is different than 'accidentally' dropping a bit further back.

[the bluetooth keyboard is a great investment w/iPad...;)]

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Was it DasCunt that called it in? He likes ruining peoples day/life.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

You don't respect him in golf?? I understand the out of golf part, but, lord, we're talking about possibly the greatest ever. A self centered ass who cheats an eentsy bit, but, still.

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For me to consider him the greatest golfer ever he would have had to DQ'd himself. I'll say he is the most skilled player ever. In a game where honor is part of the rules and history he fails as a "golfer". But I am old school and still trying to understand the "cheating is only cheating if your caught" mentality in sports and life today. IF he wins today and IF he passes Jack, this call will be argued for generations of golfers.

Watching this golfing history unfold sorta makes up for the fact that I'm watching the Masters instead of enjoying the 15" of powder that fell on the mountain 20 min away. Guess I'll ski tonight's 15" tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by wooley12

For me to consider him the greatest golfer ever he would have had to DQ'd himself. I'll say he is the most skilled player ever. In a game where honor is part of the rules and history he fails as a "golfer". But I am old school and still trying to understand the "cheating is only cheating if your caught" mentality in sports and life today. IF he wins today and IF he passes Jack, this call will be argued for generations of golfers.

Watching this golfing history unfold sorta makes up for the fact that I'm watching the Masters instead of enjoying the 15" of powder that fell on the mountain 20 min away. Guess I'll ski tonight's 15" tomorrow.

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x2, although we only got 9" so far.

his attitude kept him from being DQ'd? That's even more fucked. The rules are the rules. It's the heart of the game.

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Ok, the rules dude just said to Nance on CBS that they didn't make the call until early this morning - after he signed his card. (And also that Tiger's statements about trying to take a couple yards off were what made them more concerned and confirmed that he had to be penalized).

I stand by my comment - he signed an illegal card and the mental gymnastics being performed to make that fact shoehorn somehow into the new "oversight" rule are a joke.

[im going to have to look into that Bluetooth keyboard thanks!]

EDIT: pretty much what Guruu posted while I was posting too. I just don't think that this would have been handled the same had it been Carl Spackler from Bushwood instead of Tiger Woods from Jupiter Island.

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Clam down, take a sip of your hatorade, and read above for the full story. :wink:

the penalty was assessed AFTER he signed what at the time was a correct card. That is the entire purpose of the new rule, so that you don't have to DQ someone retroactively.

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Originally Posted by guroo270

Clam down, take a sip of your hatorade, and read above for the full story. :wink:

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I am "clam down" ;)

I edited my post after what I saw you posted.

Can one of you guys post a video link to the infraction?

I can only watch intermittently (and w/out sound) and missed it.

-Appreciated


and Kuchar is looking realxed enough to do some damage

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Originally Posted by wooley12

For me to consider him the greatest golfer ever he would have had to DQ'd himself. I'll say he is the most skilled player ever. In a game where honor is part of the rules and history he fails as a "golfer". But I am old school and still trying to understand the "cheating is only cheating if your caught" mentality in sports and life today. IF he wins today and IF he passes Jack, this call will be argued for generations of golfers.

Watching this golfing history unfold sorta makes up for the fact that I'm watching the Masters instead of enjoying the 15" of powder that fell on the mountain 20 min away. Guess I'll ski tonight's 15" tomorrow.

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Agree with all of this.^^^

The thing I feel like you guys are missing is that he has been honest the whole time. He just happened to make a bone head mistake that he has been penalized for. I agree about honor in the game of golf, but I just don't feel like he has acted dishonestly or dishonorably in any of this, and I'm no Tiger ball licker.

If, in the post round interview had said something like, "I dropped my ball as close as I could and I wasn't trying to gain any advantage," then I would say it wasn't honest or whatever. Dude made a mistake. Right this moment, even Nick Faldo, who said he should DQ himself, is backtracking some, saying he "probably got a little mixed up when he walked to the drop zone, then came back, and you can come back as far as you'd like under some situations..."

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Originally Posted by guroo270

The thing I feel like you guys are missing is that he has been honest the whole time. He just happened to make a bone head mistake that he has been penalized for. I agree about honor in the game of golf, but I just don't feel like he has acted dishonestly or dishonorably in any of this, and I'm no Tiger ball licker.

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yes and no. He could have mentioned during the review that he screwed up and mixed up the two options, but that didn't come out until the press conference.

shitty but better than nothing...

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Originally Posted by Tye 1on

yes and no. He could have mentioned during the review that he screwed up and mixed up the two options, but that didn't come out until the press conference.

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He still didn't think he had made an infraction, most likely because he forgot to account for the ball entering the hazard at a different angle from ricocheting off the flag. I mean, shit, since he thought he was using the "take the ball back as far as you'd like" option he thought he was utilizing, isn't it reasonable to think that the point of entry might be straight back considering his ball hit the exact target you line up when you drop?

Some of you have a driver stuck up your ass. Wouldn't it be great if he won it tomorrow?

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He still didn't think he had made an infraction, most likely because he forgot to account for the ball entering the hazard at a different angle from ricocheting off the flag. I mean, shit, since he thought he was using the "take the ball back as far as you'd like" option he thought he was utilizing, isn't it reasonable to think that the point of entry might be straight back considering his ball hit the exact target you line up when you drop?

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reasonable to think he or his caddy didn't see it go to the left? Um, no, but maybe i'm not following.

guess what bugs me the most is that he stated going back was part of his strategy on that shot. If it was something that had no bearing on that shot, say accidentally grounding a club in a hazard, i'd have a lot less heartburn.

plus, for fuck's sake, a top pro and caddy should know the rules at least as well as we do!

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Originally Posted by Tippster

Some of you have a driver stuck up your ass. Wouldn't it be great if he won it tomorrow?

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Does that affect the two-club length rule? :biggrin:

Yes it would be very impressive if he did. Not sure all this has made it any easier for him to focus today but if anyone can regain composure, it's more than likely him.

Not looking likely right now.

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Originally Posted by Tippster

Some of you have a driver stuck up your ass. Wouldn't it be great if he snapped his achilles tomorrow?

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Kobe and Tiger back to back. Now that would be GREAT.

Dufner melting down like last year.

I am enjoying watching Freddy stay in contention. But not getting my hopes up.

For fucks sake. A drop a few feet off, And one of the greatest golfers of all time is shit in some comments here. Like he cheats much at all.
How many times do you think something like this happened before TV?

Gotta pull the race card here. Some people just can't stomach a black guy doing so well in life, and fucking an awesome looking blond at the same time.