Not that I should answer for iceman, but...Quote:
Originally posted by divegirl
Or did you mean U2 sucks and therefore any suggestion will not qualify?????
Answering for iceman, I'm pretty sure it was this one.
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Not that I should answer for iceman, but...Quote:
Originally posted by divegirl
Or did you mean U2 sucks and therefore any suggestion will not qualify?????
Answering for iceman, I'm pretty sure it was this one.
Uh, it was mainly because I would rather listen to Alvin and the Chipmunks on warped scratched vinyl at 78 speed than U2.
So I guess you did not misinterpret me at all.
Well, in that case, then, all suggestions from iceman (were there any? I didn't read the whole thread) shall be automatically disqualified. I swear to god, anyone who has *any* taste in music, would have a special place in their mind for U2.Quote:
Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
Not that I should answer for iceman, but...
Answering for iceman, I'm pretty sure it was this one.
But that's just me.
First: people are getting way too loose with their nominations. "Quality from top to bottom" means *no weak songs*. This is why, for instance, Back In Black qualifies but many other AC/DC albums don't -- BIB is 100% quality, many of the other records have a clunker or two. There is a huge pile of CDs I love and play regularly, but which have a weak song or two on them.Quote:
Originally posted by iceman
quality from top to bottom, albums that qualified as GREAT.[...] there hasn't been a great ALBUM (concept to continuity, lyrics to likeability, etc), for at least fifteen years. I couldn't refute him.
Second: when you get older, music doesn't mean the same thing to you anymore. So even if an album is *just as good* as your teenage favorites, you probably won't see it that way, because it didn't come at a crucial point in your life. Honestly: does Pink Floyd sound as profound now as it did when you were 16? Thought not.
Last: if you think Turbonegro or Sublime qualify as "classic", you have no taste. Funny? Yes. Occasionally inspired? Sure. Classic? Pfft. Turbonegro is yet another of a line of obscure foreign bands exhumed by the indie-crit establishment to demonstrate that they are cooler than you. Anyone remember MX-80 Sound? Can? Fushitsusha? (The list can go on for miles.) All had their day in the critical sun as "indispensable bands that influenced everything you like", and everyone but their few remaining fans stopped caring about them once the reissues came out.
Oh, I have a special place in my mind for U2, all right.
Actually I like some of their tunes, but the whole pretentious overblown bullshittiness of it all just leaves me cold. Each to his own, though. It doesn't bother me that you like U2, it shouldn't bother you that I don't.
The only album of the last 15 years that strikes me as having been genuinely sprinkled with the magic dust is the first Oasis album "Definitely Maybe". They should have given up and disbanded right thereafter.
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Originally posted by iceman
Actually I like some of their tunes, but the whole pretentious overblown bullshittiness of it all just leaves me cold.
Huh?
Of course it doesn't bother me that you don't like U2. I don't care about that. However, it bothers me that you would start out a conversation about what is the best album of the last 15 years, only to single out one particular music group that you feel shouldn't be discussed. THAT bothers me.
Edit: But, then again, this is your forum topic.
About ten people nominated Achtung Baby, if it's any consolation.
Honestly it was more of a joke, so feel free to untwist your panties whenever you're ready.
Yeah, but then we wouldn't have had the pleasure of watching those two brothers (who can't say a damn thing in understandable English) beat the shit out of each other.Quote:
Originally posted by bad_roo
The only album of the last 15 years that strikes me as having been genuinely sprinkled with the magic dust is the first Oasis album "Definitely Maybe". They should have given up and disbanded right thereafter.
Well worth it.
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Originally posted by iceman
About ten people nominated Achtung Baby, if it's any consolation.
Honestly it was more of a joke, so feel free to untwist your panties whenever you're ready.
Untwisted.
I really liked "What's the Story?" better than "Definitely Maybe." There's no question they went downhill quickly after that, though.Quote:
Originally posted by bad_roo
The only album of the last 15 years that strikes me as having been genuinely sprinkled with the magic dust is the first Oasis album "Definitely Maybe". They should have given up and disbanded right thereafter.
I'll add a couple more that date me, but I still think are great throughout:
The Wedding Present Bizarro
The House of Love (1st album, 1988 release)
One more to add
The Jesus Lizard - Shot
Full on mean, nasty punk. Their live shows had the real sense of danger that a lot of modern punk lacks, that feeling that everything could spin out of control and wind up in a full scale riot. Good stuff.
I was waiting for that, Divegirl.Quote:
Originally posted by divegirl
Well, in that case, then, all suggestions from iceman (were there any? I didn't read the whole thread) shall be automatically disqualified. I swear to god, anyone who has *any* taste in music, would have a special place in their mind for U2.
I don't think that everyone needs to love U2, however completely disregarding them from any type of ultimate album dicsussion just because you don't like them is insane. Hate them if you want to, but at least be objective enough to recognize quality albums (ie. Achtung Baby / Joshua Tree / All That You Can't Leave Behind)
Well maybe I'm insane, have you considered that?
I respectfully disagree. Means more to me as I get older - new music and old. Even classics continue to surprise me. As my life experience changes, so does the meaning of lyrics that I've had memorized for years.Quote:
Originally posted by Spats
Second: when you get older, music doesn't mean the same thing to you anymore.
Just because you are uneducated in a certain genre of music doesn´t mean you can dismiss one of the top players as an "obscure foreign band". Turbonegro may not be well known or top-40 (at least in North America), but their 1998 release Apocalypse Dudes is a milestone for the Scandinavian metal/punk genre. Iceman asked for albums from the last 15 years that have no bad songs or weak spots that will be remembered as "great". And thank you for noticing that I am cooler than you.Quote:
Originally posted by Spats
Last: if you think Turbonegro or Sublime qualify as "classic", you have no taste. Funny? Yes. Occasionally inspired? Sure. Classic? Pfft. Turbonegro is yet another of a line of obscure foreign bands exhumed by the indie-crit establishment to demonstrate that they are cooler than you. Anyone remember MX-80 Sound? Can? Fushitsusha? (The list can go on for miles.) All had their day in the critical sun as "indispensable bands that influenced everything you like", and everyone but their few remaining fans stopped caring about them once the reissues came out.
At the risk of continuing to be a part of the indie-crit establishment, I will add a few more albums by other "obscure foreign bands" that I think will be remembered as "great" in the years to come:
Cheikl Lo´s Ne La Thiass
Baaba Maal and Mansour Seck´s Djam Leelii
And to bridge the gap between "obscure foreign bands" and the North American mainstream, I will add:
Ali Farka Toure and Ry Cooder´s Talking Timbuktu
Now for North American mainstream (careful, it is still not top-40 or anything):
the first Garcia/Grisman
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Originally posted by hop
the first Garcia/Grisman
hell yes!
Not really contributing here, just stating:
Been listening to Audioslave for 5 stright days. That albums just kicks you right in the balls. F'n awesome. As a lyricist & singer, Chris Cornell SHOULD be knows as one of rock's greatest. He's been killin' it worldwide since '85. Gotta be recognized as one of the most influential musicians / singer / songwriters of the 90's, anyways.
That's all.
a legit obscure/indie classic
yo la tengo - painful (or any of a number of their albums)
Thanks, and I agree with your statement. Hey, by the way, I *finally* found someone who I can burn that U2 bootleg CD I owe you!! Gawd, I'm about 4 months late with that!! So sorry. So, if everything goes as planned, I will mail that off next week.Quote:
Originally posted by Canuk
I was waiting for that, Divegirl.
Oh, and iceman, you're not insane, you just have bad taste! Just kidding!!!! ;) ;) Oh, and another thing, I'm not even wearing any panties, so how can they be twisted? ;)
Old & in the way?Quote:
Originally posted by hop
the first Garcia/Grisman
American Beauty>?
or do ya mean thishttp://www.accessplace.com/gdtc/images/1267.jpg
I listen to "so What" endlessly
great string Jazz
I guess now that we've all weighed in, I'd like to hear what iceman thinks are the best albums of the last 15 yrs. Lets hear it mang...
There's been a lot of decent albums, a bunch with one or more great songs on them. But the origin of the question was that neither I, nor my buddy who works at a major label (and listens to music all day, every day) , nor Woodsy (who is a true afficianado of good tunes), could come up with a single "great" album over the last number of years, the criteria for great being every song is a keeper, that the album will be listened to over and over, and that when you look back at it in ten or fifteen years it will seem as great then as it did when it first came out.
So my list is really short: none, basically. I'm not cutting on anyone else's taste, I just don't see any recent albums that live up to my arbitrary and capricious definition of "great". So sue me.
Maybe I just gotta get out more, I dunno.
It's true that there's been a fair amount of music mentioned here that I have never heard, too. So you have to take that into account.
Yep, that´s the one. ACG-2 fits in there at just under 15 years old! My, how time flies.Quote:
Icemang....
Possibly the reason accounting for this is the fracturizing of music.
IE 15 years ago, we were just jumping into rap, dabbling with the illustrious sounds of house and beat.
Now we have so many choices (like cable tv) that the greatness and long lasting lists are merely a personal choice.
Years and Years ago EVERYONE listened to alot of the same music. Now I cant even go down the block in my bassackwards town without hearing hippie jam bands, gantsta rap, pop, techno, hiphop, and top 100. Even NPR plays to the varieties with celtic, followed by our local jonny guitar (playing hendrix, page, plant and such)