Not like anyone wouldn't hear them over that paint anyway. ;). Good lookin truck. Interested to hear about snow performance on those.
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Not like anyone wouldn't hear them over that paint anyway. ;). Good lookin truck. Interested to hear about snow performance on those.
lol. Can’t miss it in the parking lot!Quote:
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Les Schwab has been at 1100/1300$ for a set of either AT or winter tires.
My ford dealership has been 800$ for cooper ht3's AT tires and toyo winter for 870$
I'm 236/65 16c. C rating commercial van /10 ply. I'm awd so don't need the tippy top level. It's been to my benefit to shop around.
About to pull the trigger on a set of a new Cooper tire, the Stronghold AT unless someone tells me thats a horrible idea. I can't find any actual reviews other than guys on Youtube sitting in a wheel shop.
Solid rebate makes it under $1k in an E rated, significantly cheaper than my normal General Grabbers..
Last week I asked for a quote for Cooper AT3/XLT's in 275/70/18 and the shop told me they were being phased out and replaced by the Stronghold ATQuote:
Originally Posted by adrian.bee
Yet another help me choose:
This will be for a 1995 Jeep Wrangler that will see a bit of everything. Pavement, mild to moderate wheeling (no hard rock crawling, but typical San Juans backcountry roads), some mud, snow, etc.
I do want the 3 peak mountain snowflake hence looking at AT tires rather than mud terrains. I'll spend enough time in winter to justify that, but not enough to justify dedicated snows. It will rarely travel more than 100mi from home but will be used to respond to SAR calls, backcountry trailhead access, and general redneckery.
Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac - leaning towards this as I've had them on my Tundra and they seem to tick all the boxes
General Grabber A/Tx - know next to nothing about these other than they look like a BFG knockoff
BF Goodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 - my impression is that these will not perform as well as Duratracs off road but better on road
Toyo Open Country A/T3 - I know nothing about these
Falken Wildpeak A/T3W - put these on my Tundra last winter and liked them a lot for winter use. Didn't run them this summer so no idea how they do off road
Falken Wildpeak A/T4W - seem like they are better off road and worse in snow than the A/T3W. Durability seems nice for wheeling, but concerned they are too heavy for the little 4cyl in my Jeep
Fairly limited to these specific tires/brands du to size availability and support from a local dealer. Cost differential is not a bit concern as the local tire shop hooks up our SAR team.
Thanks!
Out of those I've only had the duratracs and K02s. I didn't notice much difference in highway and dirt road use between the two. For dirt and moderate wheeling the BFGs did good unless it got muddy. If there was any clay in the mud they were very bad. The duratracs were much better in muddy conditions. The duratracs chunk and wear easily driving aggressively off road. After 15k miles, with a few thousand of those off pavement, they were pretty sketchy on wet pavement and terrible in ice and hardpack snow. I used duratracs new for a winter than switched to dedicated winters after that. I can't comment on the K02 durability cuz I sold them with only 10k miles once I realized how bad they did in anything muddy.
Good to know. I'm in the market for some new ATs soon and those are on my short list. Anyone have experience with Hankook Dynapro AT2s? Online reviews seem solid. They seem to check all the boxes and the price is tough to beat for a quality tire.Quote:
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I have only had the General Grabbers on your list, and I was only focused on their snow performance. My impression of that is that they performed just fine at a good price. Or, rather, they performed great (great for an AT 3PMSF tire) for the first half of their life, and noticeably worse for the second half. By the end of their life they felt pretty squirrelly. Tread life overall was about average.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
I got those after the General Grabbers I describe above. My unscientific impression was they were somewhat similar to those (and good price). I think the Generals were better in snow when new, and the Hankooks were better in snow near the end of their life.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarsB
This is true. I just got a set on deep discount for a customer Sprinter.Quote:
Originally Posted by gorgonzola
Falken AT4's are about to go on my truck. I suspect they will last longer than the 3, but give away some winter performance for it.
I have experience with all of these tires. AT3W is being phased out. I'd skip those. Duratrac get very noisy as they wear. They are OLD tech at this point. ATX is not as good on ice/snow as the K02 or AT3W. I wasn't impressed with the ATX, honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
Any chance you can get the Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT? It checks your boxes. Outside of that tire, I'd go K02 or Duratrac if your priority is mud performance.
FWIW, K02 is being phased out, also. The K03 has the same "improvements" as the AT4W. I really hope they didn't ruin those two tires. Locally they are the best options for light/heavy trucks and Sprinters.
Oh, and if you really want wheeling performance, the Toyo Open Country MT is the very best performing mud tire fir the snow. The ones on my Jeep have seen several Rubicon and Fordyce trips and still did amazingly well last winter. I'm going into my third winter this year. I'm prepped to grab a second set of wheels if they fail me, but they haven't yet and my driveway is the gnar during winter (1/4 mile, 12%, north facing and shaded).
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Originally Posted by adrian.bee
These look like the LT/Truck version of the new Road+Trail that replaced the AT3-4S (the P-metric version of the AT3XLT). So I'd guess they're very similar to my Road+trail in compound and performance, just with a bit more aggressive tread blocks and heavier sidewalls.
I'm a huge fan of the Road+Trail. The compound is incredible for treadwear and grips really well too. Zero slipping in wet blacktop, very good snow performance, great off-road. I've got 18,000 on mine now and tread is still at 10/32 (out of 13/32 brand new). Best thing is this tread compound and design is incredibly quiet. I'd definitely give the Stronghold a try if I had need of an LT tire.
Agree on this review. Really good for the first 15,000 or so, then considerably worse. Overall they were.....ok.Quote:
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Did Falken neuter the snow capabilities with the new AT4? They came to market end of last winter, not sure if there’s a definitive verdict yet (beyond Falken calling it an improvement in every way) anyone??
Also any experience on the Cooper Discoverer Road and Trail AT? Replaces the AT3 and looks like a nice sipe-y tire for white stuff, without having to go too aggressive of tread?
Needing new rubber and winter performance a priority out of an AT for me
Went cooper winter claw m+s studded.
They have snowflakes on the sidewalls so I'm going to drive excessively fast on sketchy conditions.
Jk- I've had these many times through the years they are bomber.
I'd buy the Falken AT3W if I could find them. I don't like what I'm seeing in the reviews about the AT4W. It's said to be beefier, heavier, and doesn't preform as well in the snow. I want good snow and rain performance. My research tells me to buy the Firestone Destination A/T2. Any comments?
I've posted a couple times about these- theyre awesome. An improvement over the AT3 in every way. Snow traction is way better, treadwear is awesome, dead silent on everything except pitted concrete at 65+mph.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishskisurf
I've got the 245/70r17 on my 1/2ton van and was super glad they come in P-metric XL rating. Did some minor rock driving in Moab/Canyonlands this spring and they were awesome.
I've had the Hankooks on my Sprinter van as a summer tyre for about 25k kms. Can't compare to other at tyres, but they have held up very well to a lot of forestry/gravel roads here in northern Finland.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarsB
They feel sturdier and more supportive to drive than regular c-class van tyres. The slightly larger diameter also helps to smooth out some of the shittiest roads here. Haven't really tried how the Hankooks handle arctic winter conditions, as we have winter conditions from october to april which means studded winter tire life.
Falken AT4W is a step down in performance on snow and ice. Shame because the AT3W was one of the best. Ironically the BFG KO3 appears to have gone the other way and is better in snow and ice than the K02. I’m curious how the K03 compares to the old AT3W.
I replaced the AT3W (which I loved, and were the best AT tires I’ve owned in the snow) with the Nokian Outpost AT on my rig. Every user review I’ve read has been superb, and places them ahead of the AT3W’s in almost every category, including snow/ice which is what I care about since I drive a good 5000 miles each winter from CA to CO and back and up to Tahoe most weekends, but still get enough pavement driving in that dedicated snows don’t make sense. The outposts are also noticeably quieter than the AT3W’s, but I just put them on. Pretty stoked to see how they do this winter.
Note: the Outpost AT is the version of the tire that was produced in their Russian factory, which Nokian shut down when the war broke out. I got my tires 35% off on Simpletire.com - still some sizes left there and other sites on the internet.
The Outpost nAT is essentially identical to the AT, but is made in their new Tennessee factory. Only difference is the tread shoulder is slightly blockier and the sidewalls are smoother for aesthetics purposes (“To appeal to the North American market’s tastes” lol).
Class leading tread depth too, 1/32-3/32 more than all other brands. On the lighter end of the weight range too.
Same vibe as the Nokian outpost is the new Yokohama geolander ATXD. It’s 3 peak snow rated, 19/32 tread depth and costs $100+ less than the BFG’s of the world for the same tire size. Over the years I have run them all and am looking forward to trying the Yoko’s out on my tundra this winter.
Looks nice, maybe as a winter tire with the studs. But noise would be a dealbreaker for me. Big plus for the Nokians
https://www.fordtremor.com/threads/a...r-at-xd.14718/
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2020 F150. I just ordered the Stongholds LT275/70/18. $250 each after a price match and rebate from Discounttire.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrian.bee
Also considered Grabbers, Geolandar AT XD, and Outpost Nat.
Had AT3W on my 2012 F150 which I just sold. Best tire I've ever run. 40k in 6 years and still had 14/32 on them. Super even wear and not noisy. Really wish they had kept the AT3W in the lineup. The added weight on the AT4 and most reports of worse snow performance steered me away.
Also drive an Outback with 2" lift. I have two seasons on the Dynapro AT2 Xtreme. Awesome in the snow, but I think anything would be on the Outback. This is my second set of dynapros on this rig, and both started cupping and got noisy after 10k. I think the lift eats tires, so I rotate these every 3k to try to keep the wear even-ish and noise down.
Muggy, I think you may have sold me on the Nokians, especially after looking at some of the reviews, and it doesn't hurt that I'm 100% Finnish. Also, the nAT are made in Tennesse.
Ended up pulling the trigger on the Road+Trail after promotional discounts put them below the Hankooks. I used to run the Discover AT3s back in the day and was pretty pleased with them. Thanks for the input.Quote:
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