OPS+ is a stat that would account for overall offense, ie it's relative to the rest of the league for a given year (I think, but am not sure, that it's park-adjusted too).Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
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OPS+ is a stat that would account for overall offense, ie it's relative to the rest of the league for a given year (I think, but am not sure, that it's park-adjusted too).Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
Because he asked for an argument about crime dog vs Edgar.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
Omar just wasn't a good enough hitter, and without looking up stats, I think he was an excellent fielder for a long time, but I'm pretty sure the stats geeks put him well behind Ozzie.
And at no point in his career did people look at him and say "that guy is a future hall of famer".
Omar Vizquel just doesn't cut it. The main point in his favor is he played an important defensive position well for a long time, but unless you're one of the greatest, if not the greatest defensive player of all-time (see Ozzie Smith), that's not going to cut it.
Danno's comparison of Edgar to McGriff was spot on. Edgar was clearly the better player and McGriff was no slouch. Edgar deserves to be in the Hall.
The argument that DHs shouldn't be in because they only play half the game is retarded. No one says this about AL starting pitchers who only play half the game in about 35 games per year. By this argument no closer should ever get in. They play about one inning per game in maybe 1/2 of the total games. The offensive bar should be higher for a player who was primarily a DH, but I think Edgar was above that bar.
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Originally Posted by Danno
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
http://espn1420.com/sorry-ozzie-fans-vizquel-is-better/
Put Omar in the Hall.
You're quoting an article that postulates that Vizquel was better defensively than Ozzie solely based on the fact that he committed fewer errors? Take a lap.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
Multiple laps.
Omar's comin!!!
Ozzie played 2511 games at short and had 12905 chances. Omar played 2709 games at short with 11961 chances. Subtract the difference in errors, and Ozzie converted 846 more balls in play to outs in 198 fewer games than Omar. That's astonishing.
http://amp.si.com/mlb/2017/12/06/oma...me-ballot-2018
Exhaustive case against Omar.
It’s 2018 and the Red Sox still suck
You're right about OPS but he still led the league in home runs a couple of times with numbers from the last deadball era. And although we are using modern stats to interpret these players careers now, if you go back and reevaluate how he did yearly it seems like he was cheated out of a few all star appearances and had at least one great case for a MVP award here. If he hit another 7 home runs Thome certainly wouldn't have had sole claim to the 'last untarnished slugger' mantle. I mean, 493 is still a lot of home runs, like almost 200 more than Edgar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Meh, lock the door on both of them. As much as I appreciate advanced metrics the hall probably should not become just the 'best OPS' building even if the occasional Jack Morris or Jim Rice sneak in undeservedly.
Nice article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
But right smack in the middle it states “his Hall of Fame Monitor is on the side of more likely than not”
And right at the start it points out he’s logged more hits than all but 4 SStops, all of which are in the Hall.
I know he’s not a slam dunk but I bet after getting through this years stacked ballot (30% I think?) his chances are pretty good over the next 5.
Guess this should go in a new 2018 thread but I'll let you guys start it so:
Cleveland Indians To Abandon Racist Chief Wahoo Logo Next Year
Meh, it’s been coming for a long time anyway. Good for them. I’ve aleays been a fan of the Script “I” or Block “C” anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by KQ
Cleveland has a baseball team?
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Now that’s offensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
And a football teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Viva
Paging Sluff to the white courtesy phoneQuote:
Originally Posted by KQ
Still open to interpretation of “football team”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timberridge
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Originally Posted by Timberridge
Which is also offensive (except when it comes to scoring points)
The Browns. Brought to you by the color orange.
Slow clap.Quote:
Originally Posted by irul&ublo
15/2 odds to win it all?Quote:
Originally Posted by irul&ublo
THEY'RE STARTING TO COME TOGETHER!
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0719..._brown_200.jpg
It looks like the current favorite is more strongly associated with homoeroticism than the Sox. Good for them. It's 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by irul&ublo