Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

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Originally Posted by CantDog

You mean people are reporting all deaths (like terminal cancer, no covid) or are reporting people who died with covid as a comorbidity?(dementia, developed covid, died)

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The talking point my idiot acquaintances have been pushing is that all deaths get listed as covid now if there is any sign of infection and don’t believe it was a contributing factor in many cases. Some go so far to say that even non infected deaths are getting listed as covid. This idea is out there - maybe from Rush idk - and getting pushed to a wide audience somehow because I’ve seen a lot of unconnected people using the same language to parrot the idea. Almost like they are cutting and pasting the boiler plate

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Originally Posted by Lone Star

But seriously, I feel like my caution level is pretty high but I really don't see a point in a mask in a boat in the middle of a lake, except for said sun protection threads.

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Even out that goggle tan...

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Originally Posted by mcski

The talking point my idiot acquaintances have been pushing is that all deaths get listed as covid now if there is any sign of infection and don’t believe it was a contributing factor in many cases. Some go so far to say that even non infected deaths are getting listed as covid. This idea is out there - maybe from Rush idk - and getting pushed to a wide audience somehow because I’ve seen a lot of unconnected people using the same language to parrot the idea. Almost like they are cutting and pasting the boiler plate

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Russian and CCP operations are more sophisticated than the useful idiots realize.

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Originally Posted by mcski

The talking point my idiot acquaintances have been pushing is that all deaths get listed as covid now if there is any sign of infection and don’t believe it was a contributing factor in many cases. Some go so far to say that even non infected deaths are getting listed as covid. This idea is out there - maybe from Rush idk - and getting pushed to a wide audience somehow because I’ve seen a lot of unconnected people using the same language to parrot the idea. Almost like they are cutting and pasting the boiler plate

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Well it is true, even if right wing media exaggerates it.
If you had regular flu and die of pneumonia cause of death was always pneumonia.

But I get why they choose rat flu as cause of death. This shit is evil when it hits you hard.
Some folks get it so bad, it’s the obvious cause of death.

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Originally Posted by huckbucket

Bet every single American would prefer to be one of these other countries right now, even if just for the economic benefit.

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Is there a per capita version?

Faeroe islands looks impressive, but there are 52,000 people living there.

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Originally Posted by char_

Is there a per capita version?

Faeroe islands looks impressive, but there are 52,000 people living there.

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Apparently the salmon industry there requires test equipment that was easily adapted to covid testing and they were able to test many, quickly.

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Originally Posted by dunfree

What retail restrictions? I can get pretty much anything curbside right now. Nobody’s buying.

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There’s pretty significant anger w small mom&pop businesses I know over why they have to close their low traffic retail businesses, yet the Walmart, Target, and HD in town can stay open. They certainly have a valid point there imo. The notion that there won’t be any customers coming to buy there shit even if they were open doesn’t enter into the equation for them. Just that Walmart gets a pass and they don’t.

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Originally Posted by Core Shot

Well it is true, even if right wing media exaggerates it.
If you had regular flu and die of pneumonia cause of death was always pneumonia.

But I get why they choose rat flu as cause of death. This shit is evil when it hits you hard.
Some folks get it so bad, it’s the obvious cause of death.

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Deaths are being underreported due to lack of testing and general lag on things like deaths in care homes. Not to mention R governors etc that don't want to hurt the snowflake in chief

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Originally Posted by Core Shot

Well it is true, even if right wing media exaggerates it.
If you had regular flu and die of pneumonia cause of death was always pneumonia.

But I get why they choose rat flu as cause of death. This shit is evil when it hits you hard.
Some folks get it so bad, it’s the obvious cause of death.

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One example that got trotted out by several unconnected people I know was they all knew someone w stage 4 cancer but the death was listed covid. As if the person that would eventually die of cancer in a month or a year or years should only have cancer on their death certificate. No seeming awareness of that a covid co-morbidity being the actual cause or a factor in hastening the death

Here's the potential for under-counting covid death in NY specifically.

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Originally Posted by powdrhound

The rehab hospital on the other side of my back fence has reported an outbreak. 51 positive patients and staff.

Damn.

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I would definitely shoot any old person coming over the fence.

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Originally Posted by mcski

One example that got trotted out by several unconnected people I know was they all knew someone w stage 4 cancer but the death was listed covid. As if the person that would eventually die of cancer in a month or a year or years should only have cancer on their death certificate. No seeming awareness of that a covid co-morbidity being the actual cause or a factor in hastening the death

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Originally Posted by huckbucket

Here's the potential for under-counting covid death in NY specifically.

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Death in homes is up bigly.
A few weeks ago new York had 200 a day, when last year they had 40 or 50.

But even those aren’t all covid.
The ED is missing a shit ton of patients. Strokes, head bleeds, heart attacks etc.
people are so scared they will get the covid at the hospital, they are dying at home.

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Originally Posted by char_

Is there a per capita version?

Faeroe islands looks impressive, but there are 52,000 people living there.

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and the weather sucks

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Originally Posted by mcski

There’s pretty significant anger w small mom&pop businesses I know over why they have to close their low traffic retail businesses, yet the Walmart, Target, and HD in town can stay open. They certainly have a valid point there imo. The notion that there won’t be any customers coming to buy there shit even if they were open doesn’t enter into the equation for them. Just that Walmart gets a pass and they don’t.

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I can totally get that frustration & anger if you are in a region where that’s the case, but it’s not a nationwide thing. There’s no coordinated response at all. Different states do different things, different corporations do different things. What is , IMO, a constant across the nation is supply chain disruption, demand changes, and logistics hurdles.

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Originally Posted by Core Shot

Well it is true, even if right wing media exaggerates it.
If you had regular flu and die of pneumonia cause of death was always pneumonia.

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Ask your wife if, when someone dies of pneumonia from the regular flu, the death certificate only says "pneumonia" and never mentions "from influenza" on it

First Costco trip in two weeks yesterday. The produce and egg/dairy sections are now one-way traffic. If that becomes permanent this may have all been worth it.

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Originally Posted by old goat

I would definitely shoot any old person coming over the fence.

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Rick Grimes approves.

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Inslee announces Colorado & Nevada will join Washington, Oregon & California in Western States Pact

And let the fishing from shore begin. Breaking news.

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Originally Posted by KQ

Inslee announces Colorado & Nevada will join Washington, Oregon & California in Western States Pact

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Is Washington still closed? The amount of people milling about on the i5 corridor would signal no.

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Originally Posted by Dantheman

First Costco trip in two weeks yesterday. The produce and egg/dairy sections are now one-way traffic. If that becomes permanent this may have all been worth it.

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Costco has it down... love them. Home Depot is a complete shit show. Only half the employees wore masks and one was following me around, asking if I needed help, in between coughs. Cashiers are set up cheek to jowl and so I had to stand back until the other line cleared. Think I'll pay the extra 20% and use the side window at the professional electric supply next time.

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Originally Posted by KQ

Inslee announces Colorado & Nevada will join Washington, Oregon & California in Western States Pact

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wow its almost like they think there is no buddy in charge so they are banding togetehr

throwing around words like shared vision, science, health out come ?

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

wow its almost like they think there is no buddy in charge so they are banding togetehr

throwing around words like shared vision, science, health out come ?

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This States Rights thing could get interesting. Wanna short term rental in Colorado for July 4th? Please scan in a copy of all the drivers licenses of the intended occupants. California, sure as long as you are not a resident of an identified hot spot and you are willing to sign an affidavit saying that you have had no extended contact with anyone symptomatic and have been practicing social distancing. New York, North Dakota, we'll pass.