I can't find the Praxis superthread?
I'm looking for something used between my skinny Qs and Powder Boards. WP gets tracked out quick these days. I need something with a bit of suspension. GPOs, FRS, Qs...what else? Who's holding?
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I can't find the Praxis superthread?
I'm looking for something used between my skinny Qs and Powder Boards. WP gets tracked out quick these days. I need something with a bit of suspension. GPOs, FRS, Qs...what else? Who's holding?
Jedi Mind Sticks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
Have a pair NIP that I might sell as the transmission in my van needs to be replaced.
I happen to have all of those that I'm probably moving...192 GPOs, 188 FRS, 188 Q's, and also 187 ConceptsQuote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
Rad...I'm interested. The GPOs will be too long. Either put the details here or link the Gear Swap thread.
Praxis Nerd...talk me though the basic differences between the others. I Q would be an easy sell but interested in the others.
I have a pair of 187 Veneer Enduro GPOs (1 mount) I’m probably going to be selling too. They have some base damage that’s been professionally repaired, but I will let go cheap because of it.
On the topic of mount points, I definitely preferred my GPOs -1 to -1.5 behind the line. In the line I experienced a bit of tip dive, behind they’re perfect
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The more I fuck with mount points and bindings the more I'm realizing how much both boot forward lean, boot ramp angle, and binding ramp delta can play a role in mount points. But yeah as N1CK mentioned, if you go into the GPO thread or Praxis 18-19 Superthread then you'll see a pretty big range of mount points on the GPO from +1 to -3 I think, and very few complaints. I think I had my 182 GPOs at -1.2, I liked them there but I had suspension issues with them and sold the skis to N1CK thinking they were too stiff for me before I realized the problem stemmed from my worn boots running out of flex and hitting a wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Iron Horse
N1CK, do you still have those or did you move them along?
Interested Muggy...and others
I've got some 184 Freerides that I'll throw in the mix as well
Thanks! Can I ask what your bsl is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
I agree, and I think it's why I struggle with forward mount points. I should calculate what my exact number is (fwd lean + boot ramp + binding delta). I had actually bought a pair of Atomic Hawx Ultra to play around with forward lean, but didn't like them out of the box so returned them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
Just reached out to Keith to talk skis and maybe some customs.
He mentioned no custom sale this year and that the struggle to stay in business continues
Current focus is he as a one-man show is using his in stock materials to make skis and needs to sell them at full price to stay afloat
Just thought I’d share this here
He did a say he’d be making some wood veneer stock GPO options, which I what i am interested in, possibly got the wife and I.
Thought I’d share here as the maggots have been staunch and supporters of Praxis
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295mm BSL. So if I had a bigger boots I maybe ever prefer them closer to -2cmQuote:
Originally Posted by The Iron Horse
I did ski my original pair on the lined first then moved them back to -1.5 and much preferred them there
My GPOs with the Abominable Snowman graphic are such a great ad for Praxis! I get so many callouts and questions. Love to talk up Praxis
Great info. I'm 294, so this is a good comparison. I guess if I went -1.5 it would make it easier to go back to the line if I should for some reason want to try that. Or vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
Cheap Veneer 187 GPOs:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d.php?t=356904
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i put my brother on my 94’s today at norquay. they were “intuitive, lively, lots of fun.” conditions were shit fuck frozen moguls with a bit of slop at the bottom where it was warmer.
i think there will be another praxis skier in the house next year.
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Thanks for the heads up. Just pulled the trigger on some MVP 108s, as I was waiting for the custom sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
Anyone on the slugger? I need a new western daily driver- aiming for heavy ish, damp, 100 ish waist. A nice middle ground of something that can edge well enough on firm/hard pack days but not totally locked in tail, semi chargy. Love my GPOs so thought the slugger looks like a good complement.
Yup. I’ve been on the Sluuger 175 cm version and have posted a little about it in the various praxis threads.
Very capable all rounder
New version has veneer top sheet stick and no carbon
I bought a new version as a backup for my older pair
Same dimensions, only difference is carbon taken out and veneer top sheet
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Thx hoarhey, I'll dig around. Yeah, this are interesting and would like to support Keith
I skied a friend's 185 Slugger for one run and was very impressed. It engaged well but broke free nicely. Ripped groomers and bumps equally well. It did feel like it was mounted a bit forward for my taste (true for every Praxis ski I've tried: GPO, Rx, SND), so personally I'd consider mounting -1 to -2. The big difference with those other skis is that I didn't feel like I'd love them even if I messed with the mount point, but I'm pretty sure I'd have a blast with the Slugger as a DD.Quote:
Originally Posted by tang
^^^ helpful, thx
I’ve skied mine at -1 cm and they felt a hair forward there for groomers, but just right for technical steeps.
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Hmmm, are the MVP108s really 2200gr? My old stock 110 (187cm) weigh only 1970-2000gr.Quote:
Originally Posted by AintEZbeingSteezy
PSA for the group. I was talking to Keith yesterday. Seems like he still needs more pre-season sales to keep things afloat for another year. Time is of the essence sounds like. I ended up snagging a new pair of MVPs.
If you are contemplating getting another pair, now is the time.
Why is there so much hype about Heritage Lab Skis and hardly and buzz about Praxis Skis? Beside this thread the brand it appears to be non existent. New Models? Any new tests?
Over the years many good product companies folded due to a lack of sales numbers (as well as for other reasons). A new website would probably help. The website and the topsheets look pretty retro 80s style (not in a good way). The Skis are supposed to be very good, but I am not buying. To much other „hot shit“ out there.
Okay, tell we why I am wrong here?
I think it’s a combination of the fact that HL is producing new models (some that seem to have direct input from forum members) and has a much more prolific presence on the forum. Think of it as it’s own hype program.Quote:
Originally Posted by obi wan kenobi
Praxis hasn’t really made anything new in a while, which is fine because their shapes and construction are tried and true. But that’s probably not great from a sales perspective. Also realize that Praxis is making skis in NV, they can’t do small batch sales the way HL does and stay afloat. I’m sure Keith would be down to press some new shapes with enough commitments, as he has done in the past, but that ain’t going to keep the lights on.
Between my wife and I we own 5 Praxis skis, they all get skied regularly and currently don’t need any replacements… Well, I do want a backup RX for when my pair finally dies, but not in the cards financially right now.
Consumers care way too much about the way ski equipment looks, how it is branded and what they think it says about them a skier. I can understand how a company like Praxis thinks that is stupid but stupid sells.
praxis has been tweaking their line and production most years so the great skis get better and better but it’s an awfully tough market right now with so much overstock and everyone expecting the most insane deals. in two years maybe keith’s discount of 700$ is going to look really cheap. but it’s tough to see how he can go below that and pay people and for space in tahoe.
Look at other successful indy ski brands. Very few survive based on the quality of their product alone. They either offer something that very few others do (e.g. Wagner / full custom), employ a strong marketing team to sell skis to the masses (e.g. Moment), or build a cult following through engagement with the users (e.g. ON3P, Heritage Labs).
Praxis doesn't really do any of those things these days. Yes, they make awesome skis, and I love all of mine. And there was a time when it was enough to make good skis with good shapes, because a lot of the companies were making shitty skis with shitty shapes. But that time has passed, and it sure seems like Praxis is going to have to change things up if they want to survive. Hopefully they'll find a way to do that, because I love their skis.
I think this hit the head of the nail!Quote:
Originally Posted by Self Jupiter
And yo, it wasn't too long ago that the hype for Praxis was quite strong on this forum. Maybe it was partly thanks to the loyalty points system that kept buyers coming back for more, I dunno.
Whatever the reason for change was, the skis are still great.
Hot tip, if you venture off-piste, and you haven't tried them yet, git sum GPO's!
baker bob was an excellent salesman for the brand on the tgrz… to bad he’s passed on.
praxis Rx
fact.
I had been getting ready to buy a pair this season but the custom sale was discontinued. I am not sure if he can make it work financially, but if he could offer semi custom for $800 instead of $1600 I think he would sell a lot more skis.
Hope he can make it. Everyone says Keith is a stand-up guy.
Too bad indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
Praxis Rx
Seconded.Quote:
Originally Posted by forumskier
A Praxis Rx toast for Bob. Salute!
I grabbed a backup pair of GPO last year when I was worried about Praxis staying in business. It really is a shame but Praxis doesn't do anything to market their brand, even social media exposure is practically zero. You can't grow a company or even maintain status quo if the vast majority of your potential customers don't know about you.
There are a couple pair of RX in the discount page in 184cm and 189cm. Somebody snatch those up!
Regarding GPO last year, so did I!Quote:
Originally Posted by N1CK.
Regarding 189 RX, I beg to differ. Only one pair left now..! ;) And that's also for Bob, R.I.P.
Picked up a pair of Jedi Mindsticks on last year's sale.
Maybe get em mounted up this season.
Quiver's fat though.
I think the engagement on the forum is down across all brands, not just wrt Praxis. The number of people who post regularly in the various threads is fairly low - perhaps it will increase with the coming of snow / during the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxoff
HL is the notable exception, yet since their main market arguable is the nichest of niche people on here that is hardly the argument it is made out to be.
Praxis is awesome. Their current skis are alle looking stellar, yet their pricing policy over the past decade with more or less constant sales does not induce anybody - fanboy or the general public - to buy en masse when the prices revert to something more akin to industry standard (that is actually still fairly low for made in the us skis with wood veneer tops - value for money is still very, very, very good). Man - some of their skis just look so freaking good - I would love to try some of them.
All the big brands are bic pens in comparison to praxis and on3p. As good as some of the big brands have skied they just dont last. A year or 2 on the big brands skis and if the flex isnt dead the base is shredded and the bases and edges need constant attention. Praxis are even slightly tougher and faster than my on3p's which are also tough as nails . I really hope people buy some praxis. I can't afford any atm but more than a few are on my "to buy list". More than a few friends that i got on to praxis have bought a 2nd or a 3rd pair or have said its the only new skis theyd consider.
Skiing at revy the cattrack from the backside is quite flat. Most people have to work to get back around to the frontside on that cattrack. I'm passing 20, 40, 50 people every lap just gliding by. I only remember being passed once or twice and that was someone on some praxis. Its just ridiculously obvious how much better they slide. 10/ 80 day/yrs of passing 500/day on that cattrack alone and i was passed once or twice. Every traverse , cattrack or flat section , slow snow, carrying speed over uphills, adding more turns every lap, they pay dividends over literally everything else. All thats even more important for a touring ski. Add in the durability and there atleast 3-4x better than any of the big brands offerings.
Loved my gpo, protest, yeti, rx, piste jib. I really want to get some of the new mvp 108's and new protests with the new rocker profile.
Keith offers top level customer service and i like how he just makes slight adjustments to some of the skis if he sees a need. Reminds me of toyota. Great product with gradual small refinements. Most people just think a ski is a ski until they try them.
I know, preaching to the choir, but maybe xomeone on the fence or considering a pair might read my ramble
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^^^^Amen!