I got the Maestrale. Sweet bootQuote:
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I got the Maestrale. Sweet bootQuote:
Originally Posted by jacob_dbu
Are you sure about the full length boot board? Like a removable, grindable one? The new Maestrale I checked out last week just had a thin piece of adhesive rubbery material that didn't seem like it was designed to be removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacob_dbu
The '24 4Quattro SL & XT only have a heel filler "block" that fills the heel cavity in the clog, with a ~2.5mm skived sheet of rubber over it. Said rubber cover only extends about 3/4 the length of the insole, leaving the liner toes area directly on the plastic clog. Cold? Probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jongle
The rubber 3/4 is just glued down, easily removable to open a smidge of instep height by lowering the foot in the shell. I removed it & dropped in a very thin, full length mylar/felt shim for a better overall fit for me (but I like low, alpine-like ramp angle).
Not sure what they did for the new Maestrale, but the idea of lowering the foot in the clog seems to be working (for me). 4Quattro skis super well, low, damp and strong. Damned if it doesn't walk great too.
Scarpa Quattro Pro Review
I've now had about 10 days on my new Scarpa Quattro pros, and thought I'd share my thoughts.
I'm 6', 175lbs, and have been your typical 100+ days per year obsessed ski junkie for the past 37 years. I split my time pretty evenly between riding the lifts and touring, and when touring I'm almost always seeking and usually finding long steep classic powder lines. Raichle/Full Tilt classic flexon boots are my benchmark for fit (lowish volume, low instep, skinny calves) and performance, and I've been through Concordias, Lasers, Radiums, Titans, Titan ULs, Mercuries, Hoji Free 110s, in my endless search for the perfect touring boot.
I liked my Hojis, though I needed to put Intuition luxury liners into them to take up volume, the stance was too upright, and even in the 110s the flex wasn't deep enough.
Schirmer's video said all the right things, the regular Quattros were in the ballpark fit-wise, I was concerned these might be a one-off production run, and my local shop offered to get a pair in for me at a reasonable price, so I treated myself on a pair of 28.5s.
On and off
Super easy to get on, slightly awkward to get off.
Fit
I'm a 28.5 in just about everything, and there's no question this is my right size lengthwise. Most boots don't have a low enough instep profile to work for me, but these are right on the money for a comfortable touring fit. There's lots of room in the front half of the boot, such that I'll probably remold them without a toe cover. I re-positioned all the buckles to their tightest holes, where I'm buckling at the loosest end of their range. The OEM intuition liner doesn't seem to hold a custom mold as much as the aftermarket Intuitions I'm used to, but it's been working fine and I'm stoked to actually be using the liner that I paid for, which has never been the case with all those piece of shit liners all my previous boots came with.
Touring
The range of movement is slightly better that my Hoji Frees, though that might just be attributable to the difference between the Luxury and touring liners. I'm not setting any speed records, but I don't feel restricted in any way, the weight is in line with what I'm used to. They're perfectly adequate for walking up long winding skin tracks to the tops of mountains. The top buckles have a dedicated hook to position them ideally for walking. The bottom buckles don't, and so just sit loosely in place, but I've had no issues.
Changeovers
They're no more complicated than my Hoji Frees. With my Hojis the one lever changeover was always a myth, and the amount of force required and delicate mechanism always had me concerned. With the Quattros its a rear lever, an elasticized power strap (with an elegant hook attachment) and four buckles. Everything is simple, burly, and easy to adjust. I'm never in a rush, and change-overs are no more time consuming than with any other boot. Because everything needs adjusting I don't find I use the internal gaiter in my pants, as it'd require adjusting every time (not so with my Hojis), and I'll probably cut them out of my softshell pants.
Skiing
They are by a significant margin the best skiing ski touring boot I've used. That they fit is obviously key, and I'm stoked with the even pressure from the top of my foot, through the instep and up my shin and how it hold my heel in the pocket, otherwise they have slightly more volume than ideal, but are tight enough not to feel sloppy. I wouldn't want to pound laps at the resort with them day after day, but I'd be fine taking them as my only boot for a Chamonix stint. I could probably squeeze a little more performance out of them with a different liner, but am in no hurry to do so. I like the more aggressive forward lean. They claim 19 degrees (I don't know how they calculate such things), are noticeably more forward than my Hojis (claimed 17 degrees), yet still a good deal more upright than my Raichle/Full-Tilts. Whatever they are, they set me up ideally to use their flex. As a lifelong cabrio boot aficionado I've long been seeking a touring boot with a functional responsive flex, not too stiff, not too soft, with a damp spring effect through a functional range. You need to feel it to appreciate it, and these deliver.
I'm going to head out right now, walk up a mountain, and ski my green machines through fresh powder in the sunshine.
Saw some concerns from folks about the reduced cuff height of the maestrale and Quattro relative to other touring options.
At first glance, my boots seem to have a significantly lower cuff height compared to my radicals. Side by side, the boots cover about nearly identical amount of my shin, and measuring from the cuff rivets, the lengths are very close.
The Scarpas seem so much shorter due to their very low stack height. I’d say that there’s _maybe_ a very minor difference between the Scarpas and other touring options - for those of you on the fence about the boot’s structure.
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My feet measure 28.8 and 29.2
Should I go with the 28.5/29.0 or the 29.5/30.0?
I’m usually touring in 28.5s with lots of punches. I also use Zipfit GFTs because of my extremely low instep and skinny ankles. The GFT are 29.5s because 28.5 liners are usually way too tight for me for touring.
324mm bsl on the 29.5 is super weird and is on par with most brands 28.0/28.5 -- so trying to figure out if this is a tell-tale sign of how the boot fits internally or if the construction of the outsole is just drastically different than most boots.
Doing a shell check with both would be best, but I don’t have that option and have to order.
You probably need to size up to the 29.5/30. I measure 27.8 and also have a fairly low instep and needed the 28.5 which fits perfect. I use 27.5 shells in alpine boots. I’m also running GFT’s in them. These boots are (probably? I haven’t got to ski them yet!) awesome to ski but are a bitch to WC into with the GFT’s.
For Scarpa sizing:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...#39;s%20sizing.
When thinking about Scarpa sizing, just ignore the while size and use the half size as reference when comparing to other boots you own. Ignore BSL.
There’s a good chance that you have a lot of pronation in the longer foot. If that pronation is corrected, it’s possible that both your feet will be closer to 285mm. Not always, but often.
Regardless, with those measurements and your foot description, a 29.5/30 Scarpa will be way too big for you. Definitely go with the 28.5/29.
The bsl is only a few mm short of modern alpine boots and pretty inline with traditional touring boots. A lot of this shortness is not reflected in the internal length.
Any idea why your feet are so sensitive? Have you always worn boots that are too big? What were your previous boots? Do you pronate a lot? Do you use custom footbeds? Where did you usually punch boots?
Lots of poor choice footwear in my youth -- tight-fitting cleats, flip-flops, cowboy boots, combat boots everyday for 4 years. I have morton's neuroma is one of my feet -- not severe enough to opt for surgery, but I would prefer to stop aggravating it. I do pronate a good bit, and yes I use custom footbeds. They help control the pronation some, but there would be no way to stop my feet from completing pronating unless the footbeds were made out of concrete.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
Last boot I had was a Dalbello Cabrio Free Lite in 28.5. I'm usually getting a big toe punch on the right foot and getting the 5th metatarsal blown out on each boot.
I had a 29.5 Quattro XT 2 years ago when they first released. Paired with some 29.5 GFTs. They were actually pretty decent, but I had to punch for the big toe on the right foot, and had to punch for the 5th mets on both boots, especially so on the right foot. I moved on from them because of bad shin bang -- which I attribute to them being too big for me -- which does seem weird seeing as I had them punched as well.
I now am going to a new bootfitter who says he wants me to bring in a 29 Quattro pro. I'm kinda worried there's no way I'll be comfortable skinning for hours in them.
With your small foot length, I would think a 28.5 in any brand isn't going to hold you very well. I'm surprised you needed a toe punch in a 29.5. Hopefully your bootfitter can assess why you often have big toe issues. You could have been sliding around in a 29.5, your foot might need more stabilization, maybe you just need to do them up tighter.
Honestly, what you have listed is not very much punching at all. That's less than normal in my books. With a neuroma you're definitely going to be punching the 5th met head and maybe the 1st. Make sure the boot isn't squeezing down on your mets too hard either. Use a metatarsal pad, and potentially look at having your 5th met dropped.
Your experience is very valid but I'd be concerned there is something else going on that is making the tip of your big toe hit. I would definitely be worried about your boots being sloppy and skiing like shit if they were 29.5. That being said, you liked them. Could you have done up your cuffs tighter or have added a lot more cork to the tongue?
When I said the 29.5 Quattro XT were "pretty decent", I was more or less referring to how they were on the uphill -- which was pretty comfortable. They didn't ski that great downhill; felt noticeably stiffer than other boots I've had, and I think that was a product of me being in a shell that was too big (where I was probably overbuckling to compensate).
I had the cuffs done up pretty tight, and I added 3 tubes of cork to each tongue.
I'm starting to think the Quattro Pro in 29.0 is going to be my best fit. Definitely will need some punching.
I also might want to try a 28.5 GFT -- but I'm under the impression that Zipfit toe boxes will not stretch over time. Neoprene isn't really a material that will stretch. All I know is that all 28.5 intuition liners are way too tight for my toes, and I think that all that tightness across my toes flares up my neuroma.
I can mention dropping the 5th met to my bootfitter. Would that entail cutting out material on the footbed? Or just heating it up and creating a depression so the 5th met sits lower? My neuroma is between my 2nd and 3rd met heads -- which is uncommon, but is a place where they occur.
Also, sorry for the slight thread derail, I know this is a Quattro thread not bootfitting thread.
FWIW, I've compared a well-used GFT on one foot with a brand new GFT on the other. The toe box on the used GFT was noticeably more comfortable and "relaxed" than on the new GFT. I think they do break in to some degree, and you could probably accelerate the process by gently stretching out the toe box with the handle of a screwdriver or similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeaHead96
Pea head, 28.5 and 29 Scarpa are the exact same shells. Either will work.
I upsized my GFT for the same reason and it works just fine. That being said, I also just bought my normal size and it feels fine too. I would worry that 29 gft would be quite large on your small foot. (FYI, I measure 253mm and wear a 24.5 zeroG and 25 GFT but just bought a 24 GFT for my alpine boots).
See how your bootfitter would prefer to drop your 5th. But you have the right idea. If you have the vertical space, it can be done but removing the outer 15mm of a bontex shim for testing.
Why did you choose a GFT for your alpine boots?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
Was curious to at least try on some Quattro Pros but no shops in Tahoe / Mammoth have or plan to have them. Kinda weird. Guess I’ll try some on in Cham if there’s any left by February.
I tried on the SL’s at Back Country for fit and then ordered the Pros online. (And then I went to Olympic Bootworks to cook my GFT liners to mold to the new shells.)Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
What size do you need? If you’re a 28.5, you’re welcome to swing by Olympic Valley and try mine on for size.
Why not? The only thing the Gara offers is a stiffer flex but the GFT beefs up the flex of any boot compared to what’s in it. And flex isnt the goal anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
The GFT has a thicker cuff wrap and gives me too much forward lean in my wold cups. Now, I also have a pair of GFT without extra cork in it that I can move to a low volume touring boot later.
Interesting, thats surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
I finally have a day on my [emoji640]Q Pros w GFT. Only downhill in the resort this far, but wow, these are amazing boots. Easy to engage progressive flex that ramps up nice and stoutly. Not as damp as a heavier alpine boot (eg, ProMachime w/ Sidewinder), but the flex and power transmission through an alpine binding is surprisingly… great!
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I’m guessing they didn’t sell enough Quattro XTs last year due to the “unique” fit. One shop I talked to in Tahoe said they had a ton of them in the back. Just didn’t sell due to fit. I considered getting a backup pair of the XTs but think I want to hold out for the pros.Quote:
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That's odd because I love the fit of that boot. Would love to see a true 3 buckle Maestrale in that last and flex. Would be the ultimate touring boot in my opinion. The Quattro ends up making up for the lack of HRS strap in other ways so I guess it isn't needed. But I would love the fit and flex of the Quattro Pro with a proper touring sole instead of GripwalkQuote:
Originally Posted by enginerd
https://youtu.be/avC2zTUfmiM?si=[emoji640]eMbh[emoji639]QTvMzNxkr_
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I believe that the new Maestrale is the same lower clog as the Quattro, just sized up. The BSL charts are identical, just offset by one size. I found the same fit in a 26.0 Maestrale as my 27.0 Quattro’s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sargentdrufus
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That's great to knowQuote:
Originally Posted by PinyonJuniper5
Nice mod. I might try that with my 4Q Pro's.
If you use GFT's (or any other liner that you may want to world cup into the shell) I highly recommend the "tail" extension he demonstrates. I did that with UHMW tape and it works great.
I’ve been getting lots of quality time in my 4Q Pros. Still loving the combination of all day comfort and strong skiing performance. Found the power strap pretty useless, difficult to tighten and often slipped off the low front, so I ditched it with no Ill effects. Changing into ski mode doesn’t engage as consistently as I’d like (perhaps some icing), but always does so eventually. I never bother with the lock switch. The liners have been comfortable and supportive so far, but I’m already (after ~ 20 days) buckling them a couple of notches tighter than where I started. They appear to be high quality HD Intuition liners, so I’m hoping I reach some equilibrium before I max out the instep buckle (I only have one hook remaining, so will likely add a heel wedge soon). Overall pretty stoked.
People often ask if they could work as an inbounds boot? For me, for me I imagine that if I dropped in a supportive mid volume liner (I like Intuition Alpine Wraps) and adapted my setups to the different stance angle (and perhaps add a Booster strap), then the answer is yes.
The foam in the stock liner is much softer than the current intuition tour liners, it’s also thinner. If they’re getting sloppy just get a 12mm intuition tour wrap or tour tongue in there.
If a 2025 299mm Maestrale RS fits me, will a 299mm Quattro Pro fit me ? How similar are they reg fit, I understand its the same lower. I would use some full tilt wrap liner. Is the Quattro Pro way stiffer than the Maestrale RS, or just better / more progressive ?
IME, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuntmanbo
Quattro has lower cuff height and no instep buckle like the Maestrale though. So that makes them feel differently when flexing. I think Maestrale feels more progressive while Quattro feels more linear. Quattro is definitely stiffer than Maestrale.
I have a low instep and skinny legs. So I actually get better performance out of the Maestrale since it’s easier for me to drive a boot where my foot-ankle-leg interface has more direct contact with the shell — even though the Quattro is a much more powerful boot.
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Ok thanks.Looks like the Maestrale RS is the better option for me then as I don't need stiff boots (the shop doesnt have the regular Maestrale, but the RS did not feel that stiff)I've been using a Vulcan and a Mercury for the last 8 years (no tongue, no flex stoppers, wrap liner, booster strap, it's quite soft but progressive like this) and found a brand new pair for sale somewhere in my size, I'm wondering if there is a real improvement in switching to the Maestrale RS, maybe just getting a "new" Vulcan will do.
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Who has skied both the current Maestrale RS and Quattros? How much stiffer do the feel and how much taller does the cuff feel? I got some Maestrale RS because they fit me quite well, but I'm pretty underwhelmed with the downhill performance coming from Zero Gs. They fit me much better (surprisingly to me the heel and ankle are lower volume than the Zero G which is my issue with them), but the cuff of the Maestrale is sooooo low it makes them feel super soft and I feel like I have no suport forward or backwards (this is clearly somewhat a sign of my lack of being balanced, but that isnt going to improve at my age...). The Maestrale ROM is soooo much better than the Zero G which is also sweet... I know people talk about the Quattro cuff being low, but is it going to feel like a big step up from the Maestrale? </p>
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I wish there was a Quattro without the Grip Walk sole, I would never use them in anything but tech bindings and I'm leary of the Grip Walk sole for scrambling, thoughts?</p>
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Also, someone must have access to next years Scarpa catalog, anything new?</p>
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Edit - and why is this site so jacked up to look so messed up when I post stuff???</p>
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Has anybody held the Quattro half and whole size next to each other to compare? I tried on a half size but the good price on Telemark Pyrenees is only for the whole size. I know it’s the same shell but wonder how much different the liner is. Is it just molded differently so doing my own liner mold would get me to a similar spot as the half size? I may end up with an aftermarket liner anyways but would like to have the stock one that fits to begin with ….
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My recollection is theres no difference except for the POS stock footbed they throw in there. The larger size has a thicker one.But I could be full of shit.
they mold the liner differently for the half vs whole size. Fundamentally it's the same boot. Once you mold that liner to your own foot, things will be much less different. Go for it. Remember, the half size is the same as the whole size above it.
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That’s all good news for me. My insoles and a quick bake will do the trick. Thanks for the info!
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I also went to the Quattro xt from the zgtp.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
I also noticed the significantly lower cuff height. It feels less stiff than the zgtp. The flex characteristic is nice but sometimes feels a little two “springy.”
I have not tried the maestrale. Has always been too much internal volume for me.
I’ve had zero issue scrambling in the Quattro XT. Don’t really notice the gripwalk. Definitely understand the concern looking at it, but hasn’t made a difference in practice for me.
“Who wants a life imprisoned in safety?” - Amelia Earhart
I feel that high stiff booster mitigates the low cuff height, mostly.
I also moved from zgtp to quattro and overall i’m pretty happy. My main gripe is that i can’t get my gfts into the quattro and every time i take the boot on or off i have to rearrange the layers of the tongue and cuff because they get mixed up
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Has anyone stepped up to the Pro from the XT and able to provide a more detailed comparison between the two? Is there a noticeable reduction in ROM or walkability with the Pro? Is the Pro noticeably more powerful? FWIW I’m a big guy and I find the XT stiff enough to drive big skis in tough snow in the backcountry but wouldnt hate more support, but not if it comes as a compromise to walkability. I would never dream of skiing either boot inbounds, backcountry only.
I haven’t skied the XT, but am pretty happy with the support and walkability of the Pros. Schirmer’s video addresses some of the differences.Quote:
Originally Posted by asmvolatile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u67nIlpqqNA