If only there was something we could do...

Obviously I’m not going to quote the verbal diarrhea guy, but the NRA talking point of a nation of gravy seals fighting tyranny is addressed here: https://www.theatlantic.com/national...t-ever/272734/

^ also points out that the most effective Soviet genocidal technique was starvation.

Everyone do themselves a favor and put Leroy on mute. His straw man troll garbage nonsense is a waste of bandwidth and light.

My thoughts are directed to everyone with children who are powerless to prevent their deaths in this backwards nation.

Those in power to do something but do nothing are soulless and empty fkn suits. My prayer is that McConnell and his merry band of obstructionists receive their due in this life or whatever lies beyond.

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Millions dead in ethnic cleansings of unarmed populations speak for themselves. You'd be aware of this if you could admit there is any valididty to opposing viewpoints.

People who cannot see any validity in opposing viewpoints are their own problem. No no no, no one can disagree with me without me saying they're crazy or stupid or brainwashed etc.

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Get the fuck out of here with the "whataboutism". The presence of other terrible acts does not mean we can't fix or seek to address other, less terrible acts. Your stance is "terrible things have happened in history, therefore nothing matters."

You have yet to offer anything of value to the conversation from a counterposition standpoint - whether it's data, meaningful points or otherwise. I'm happy to engage in debate when it's done in good faith. You're just throwing shit at the wall to try to distract from talking about firearms. At no point did I declare your points wholly invalid, I stated my position that there was no reason for firearms beyond bolt action from a "tool usage" standpoint. If you have meaningful counterpoints, fucking make them already.

We all want to go about our business/lives without worry of lethal force randomly erasing loved ones, or having to go thru metal detectors to go to school, the airport, sporting events, etc.

I am baffled that there is any more to any argument than that.

What freedom is there putting our kids in cages? So that a minority can polish their toys?

The freedoms we are losing are BECAUSE of the profligate gun access & the entirely predictable outcomes we are experiencing.

The 2nd amendment as currently abused is shameful.

The gun community is all responsible for this shit — it is deplorable. The few that speak up are unfortunately drowned out by the selfish majority for whom guns are a fucking hobby lifestyle.

Someone upthread wanted to get a gun to shoot targets — maybe you can do without for the sake of not contributing to the culture of lethal negligence? Surely there is some other pastime that could substitute? How tone deaf are you?

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And I don't agree with it. Sure, lock the doors and restrict access, but I'm not onboard with making security at schools on par with The Pentagon or prisons. And my overall point is this is simply a band aid that does not address the root problem. We need a solution on par with what Australia has done to really address the problem. I'm nearly certain that will never happen and that's sad to me.

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Schools, grocery stores, movie theaters, restaurants. Instead of masks we need to put a police force in everywhere, so we don't lose our basic rights. Doesn't sound fascist at all.

My 19 year old still can't drink a beer legally with me unless we go out of the country. Jack booted thugs will come for him if he does.

My 12 year old daughter might soon not have access to healthcare that will help her plan pregnancies and her life. Jack booted thugs might come for her if she does.

Freedumb.

Daughter sent off today to a good public school that the governor is working hard everyday to squeeze and defund while she sends thoughts and prayers to Texas.

But my 19 yo, working hard to make some sense out of life after a confusing covid space launch from high school, so he can get the fuck out of shithole Iowa, could still put it all on hold for freedumb and go buy an assault rifle or three tomorrow and nobody bats an eye.

Priorities I guess.



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culture of lethal negligence

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This phrase carries weight.

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Gonna need a cite on those stats.

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There are 350 million guns in the US currently. 6-10 million are "assault rifles". About 3% of all guns. So you would see a 3% drop in the amount of guns in the US. All while creating an extremely lucrative black market.

Rifles are used in about 1% of all gun violence incidents. So you might see a 1% drop in overall gun violence.

I haven't read this thread... is it "if only there was something we could do about Leroy?"

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gun deaths are the leading cause of death of children in the United States.

Think about it...

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gun deaths are the leading cause of death of children in the United States.

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Motor vehicle crashes. Mainly caused by cell phones.

+ all personal semi auto firearms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vF66CsYEnc

nope

good try

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761

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Maybe not, but we can look at making firearms much less available to them, especially semi-auto ones.

I am so fucking tired of the “we can’t do this, we can’t do that” from people that don’t offer any solutions. They can go fuck themselves.

Edit: Like what schuss said.

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You can fix the level of force multiplication they have access to.

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Yeah, because mass gun shootings happen all the time in schools all over the world. Can't be fixed. No solution.

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nope

good try

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761

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Bobby’s gonna open a gun shop now. He loves to sell adolescent mortality.

Has the 1994 assault weapon ban expiration in 2004 been mentioned yet? We have the same argument over and over which is just so sad.

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lol

we all have our opinions

bobby is a good guy

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You have to be 18 to buy a gun legally... So... That would be an adult.

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Has the 1994 assault weapon ban expiration in 2004 been mentioned yet? We have the same argument over and over which is just so sad.

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remington is getting put out of business because it was proved they marketed assault weapons to teens

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You have to be 18 to buy a gun legally... So... That would be an adult.

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reading comprehension.

You and leroy should be kicked in your cunts

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That says that 309 deaths occurred due to mass shootings between 2005 and 2017 (out of ~34 million all cause deaths) and would like to correlate that to the end of the AWB? While any death is a tragedy, that is a rather small number... just Chicago sees over 3x that number PER YEAR.

Handguns are THE weapon of choice in gun violence by a huge margin.

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reading comprehension.

You and leroy should be kicked in your cunts

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That says that 309 deaths occurred due to mass shootings between 2005 and 2017 (out of ~34 million all cause deaths) and would like to correlate that to the end of the AWB? While any death is a tragedy, that is a rather small number... just Chicago sees over 3x that number PER YEAR.

Handguns are THE weapon of choice in gun violence by a huge margin.

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Chicago is not even related to mass shootings of little kids in school, or people in movie theatre, or a grocery store.

That's bs turf war bullshit that is a completely different issue.

^yep

gun issue - urban vs rural

assassinating children is horrific and needs to be stopped and can be reduced using AI tools pointed at social media

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reading comprehension.

You and leroy should be kicked in your cunts

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Perhaps you don't know what an adolescent is?

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Chicago is not even related to mass shootings of little kids in school, or people in movie theatre, or a grocery store.

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That's bs turf war bullshit that is a completely different issue.

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Yep. Mass shootings make up the ultimate fringe of gun violence. That's why banning assault rifles will likely do very little as far as gun deaths are concerned

The only answer most of you have is "ban assault rifles". That's an agenda, not a solution. That hasn't worked nor will it.

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Who was blown away yesterday again? Maybe you're so caught up in your bs you didn't quite grasp what actually happened.

Fuck anyone and everyone who is defending our dumbass lack of gun control laws.

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That my friend is fucked up. I had no idea that was the case. Murica, leading the world in stoopidity

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Who was blown away yesterday again? Maybe you're so caught up in your bs you didn't quite grasp what actually happened.

Fuck anyone and everyone who is defending our dumbass lack of gun control laws.

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you're arguing the need for common sense gun control regulations with a used car salesman...point is, don't expect an intellectual discussion. Typically these arguments with Bobby devolve into him saying he's got tons of money and a huge dong.

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Who was blown away yesterday again? Maybe you're so caught up in your bs you didn't quite grasp what actually happened.

Fuck anyone and everyone who is defending our dumbass lack of gun control laws.

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Bunch of gun control laws in Chicago.

things I both lack - so i got that going for me

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^yep

gun issue - urban vs rural

assassinating children is horrific and needs to be stopped and can be reduced using AI tools pointed at social media

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Eh, AI is pretty shit at NLP still. It can summarize text and other things, but it's really bad at reading intent and sentiment, as most of that is just word encoding under the covers, which is honestly a shitty way to do it given vernacular changes etc. You'd also need to build historical models of people's speech or output and compare against that as a baseline. More likely to have lots of false-positives. This is why regulatory and societal fixes are much better. Pointing cops (who have their own violence issues) at "potential" school shooters is going to just end up with more innocent dead kids, just through a different mechanism.
Restricting access, putting waiting periods in and doing things like perhaps Israel does around firearms where they incorporate mental health checks and training would be the right way to do it while not unduly restricting those who still want to engage in hunting or other activities (https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/Ge...ng-information)

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you're arguing the need for common sense gun control regulations with a used car salesman...point is, don't expect an intellectual discussion. Typically these arguments with Bobby devolve into him saying he's got tons of money and a huge dong.

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Lol. Both my "assault rifles" are registered with the ATF as short barreled rifles. Along with my picture and finger prints. You can't get anymore vetted than I have, as a civilian.

I also posted a solution that revenues 2 billion in taxes from existing assault rifles and 200 per each one produced.

I'm actually a new car salesman now. Moving up in the world.

Garsh, there are gun laws in Chicago? Neat! Guess where there is very little gun regulation? Right outside of Chicago.

Let's have this argument again and again! Yay! Fucking moron.

I agree it is critical to consider types of gun deaths and environment:

Self harm is different from accidental is different from criminal.

For criminal, crimes of passion are different from premeditated crime is different from gang/drug violence is different from terroristic attacks or psychopathic mass murder.

Looking at these still-large categories individually allows the necessary consideration of cause vs effect to prioritize and select solutions.

Urban is different than the burbs is different than rural

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I'm actually a new car salesman now. Moving up in the world.

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what brand or brands are you selling ? and try not to lie

I had a nice little talk with my 4th grader on the way to school today about crazy people with guns killing 4th graders in their classroom.

And to think, yesterday I was frustrated that all he wanted to talk about was Minecraft.

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Eh, AI is pretty shit at NLP still. It can summarize text and other things, but it's really bad at reading intent and sentiment, as most of that is just word encoding under the covers, which is honestly a shitty way to do it given vernacular changes etc. You'd also need to build historical models of people's speech or output and compare against that as a baseline. More likely to have lots of false-positives. This is why regulatory and societal fixes are much better. Pointing cops (who have their own violence issues) at "potential" school shooters is going to just end up with more innocent dead kids, just through a different mechanism.
Restricting access, putting waiting periods in and doing things like perhaps Israel does around firearms where they incorporate mental health checks and training would be the right way to do it while not unduly restricting those who still want to engage in hunting or other activities (https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/Ge...ng-information)

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it is happening now with suicide AIs. It is a little different and looks for clusters and mental health professionals are notified

it is my opinion/bias that a lot of these shooters post online their intentions

everything you bring up would be welcome from my point of view and valid

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Garsh, there are gun laws in Chicago? Neat! Guess where there is very little gun regulation? Right outside of Chicago.

Let's have this argument again and again! Yay! Fucking moron.

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Have you donated any time or money to gun control? I'd be willing to bet you haven't.

So much easier to virtue signal on a ski forum. Go back to Polyass.

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Bentley, Maybach, Lambo, Bugatti, Koenigsegg, Hennessey, Ferrari....

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Have you donated any time or money to gun control? I'd be willing to bet you haven't.

So much easier to virtue signal on a ski forum. Go back to Polyass.

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Yes I have. What's your point? That's right, you have none.

I see that this is the phase of the argument where gun nuts will flood the zone with bullshit until they have achieved their arms resulting in the customary do-nothing period.